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Is the catholic church the only true church

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  1. tsr

    tsr Well-Known Member

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    Note******* This is a good topic for all Christians to discuss. I was raised Catholic and left the church as a grownup as there were many issues I did not agree..
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    CATHOLIC CHURCH POSITION
    1. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Catholic ecclesiology professes the Catholic Church to be the "sole Church of Christ" - i.e., the one true church defined as "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic" in the Four Marks of the Church in the Nicene Creed.

    2.The official Catholic position is therefore that Jews, Muslims and Christians (including churches outside of Rome's authority) all acknowledge the same God, though Jews and Muslims have not yet received the gospel while other churches are generally considered deviant to a greater or lesser degree.
    3.What are the signs of the true church?
    e Vatican restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
    (With that said what can be added or disapprove)
     
  2. Philip James

    Philip James Well-Known Member

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    Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

    836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God.... and to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God's grace to salvation.

    Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

    Peace be with you!
     
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    If a Church claims not to be Catholic, then it's not of Christ Jesus for one.
    Jesus Christ is the Saviour to all People, one must come to abide in him.
     
  4. Illuminator

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    The catechism doesn't say that. Please provide the paragraph numbers, with a link to the page, so context can be considered.
    Signs, or divine attributes, are One, Holy, Catholic (Universal) and Apostolic. That does not mean that other churches don't have these characteristics in various forms or degrees.

    The Church Is One (Romans 12:5, 1 Corinthians 10:17, 1 Corinthians 12:13, CCC 813–822)
    Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

    His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).

    Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Church’s official teachers—the pope and the bishops united with him—have never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.

    The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829)
    By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23).

    But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).

    The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856)
    Jesus’ Church is called catholic (“universal” in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of “all nations” (Matt. 28:19–20).

    For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28).

    Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to “make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19).

    The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, “the Catholic Church,” at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

    The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865)
    The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2).

    These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself.

    Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.

    Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth
    Man’s ingenuity cannot account for this. The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20).

    He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.

    The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls “the pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).

    Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, “He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke 10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12–13). We can have confidence that his Church teaches only the truth.
    Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth | Catholic Answers
     
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    Wounds to unity

    817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:
    Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271 ​

    818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

    819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

    Toward unity

    820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279

    Catechism of the Catholic Church 817-820
     
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    Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,

    it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,

    it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.

    It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things

    Peace!
     
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    Wounds to unity

    817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:
    Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271​

    818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

    819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

    Toward unity

    820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279

    Catechism of the Catholic Church 817-820

    Paste the above into the CARM forum and it will get censored (deleted).
    Matt Slick doesn't like his lies exposed.
     
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    Hi tsr,

    Sooooo what this really comes down to is what YOU believe Scripture says? Did you ever find a church that agrees with YOU and YOUR interpretation of Scripture??

    Curious Mary
     
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    Mary is a sinner saved by the Blood of Jesus! ONLY Jesus was sinless.
     
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    Issues that I disagreed with was NOT of the scriptures or interpretations BUT of the man made traditions the Catholic church practiced. These practices were not scriptural
     
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    Here are 13 points that are false of the Catholic Church that I did not agree with as I grew older
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    1.The Catholic church is the one true church
    2 Infallibility of the Catholic Church
    3 Only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture
    4 The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
    5 The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
    6 Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
    7 Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
    8 The full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
    9 Grace can be merited
    10 The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others
    11 Penance is necessary for salvation
    12Purgatory
    13 Prayer to the saints

    Note: I was raised Catholic, attended Catholic elementary school and high school was a chaplain assistant in the Army
     
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    Is the catholic church the only true church
    OP ^

    No.

    The True Church is Christ's Church, it's members are called Converted Body's
    IN Christ.

    :)
     
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    Hello tsr,

    And do you think that qualifies you as competent to judge the truthfulness and/or efficacy of the points you raised?

    Or perhaps you're just looking to justify your own rebellion...

    They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

    Peace!
     
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    Are you asking about the universal body of Christ in which anyone who has been born of God are a part of?

    or the physical church started by Constantine in the 300’s?
     
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    read revelation the churches.. bible...
     
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    You mean sacraments?
     
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    The Eastern Orthodox Church does not accept this at all. Neither do the non-Catholic and/or Protestant churches.

    So what we have in Christendom today is:
    1. Catholic and related churches
    2. Orthodox and related churches
    3. Protestant and related churches
    4. Non-Protestant and related churches
    5. Non-denominational churches
    6. Cults
     
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    People need to understand that teh church is not a denomination or organization, but an organism that is organized.

    The True Church is all believers found in all denominations. The bible is our ultimate authority and not a sectarian creed or denominational interpretation of Scripture.

    In heaven god does not recognize Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran , etc.etc. Only whether one has been washed in the blood!

    A sect only has advantage over other sects if it is more faithful to the Word of God than others.
     
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    Is the catholic church the only true church

    No, absolutely not. And those who says it is are either liars or ignorant of the true gospel.

    There is and has only ever been one true Church, the Church which can only be entered through the narrow gate. The Church which Jesus talked about, the biblical Church, which is made up only of those who are Born Again believers from whatever country, culture, church background, or none, worldwide, past, present and future. Those who through the revelation of the Holy Spirit have seen Jesus for who he is, recognised what he did, turned from their sin and accepted him into their hearts and lives as Lord and Saviour. Anybody who hasn’t taken these steps towards him and made that commitment is not, in my view, part of the Church. And in my experience many church-goers and even clergy fall outside this criteria.


     
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    Are you calling me a lair? Oops sorry wrong post, wrong thread too maybe, gotta remember to avoid these anti catholic threads
     
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