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  1. Doug

    Doug Active Member

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    Someone asked a question as to what is the difference between a Gentile saved by Peter's gospel and Paul's. I could not find this question again when I attempted to respond. If you read this please let me know.

    The answer is:

    They are both saved by responding to either gospel. God requires faith for salvation. God deals with mankind differently in each dispensation. Peter's gospel was to be believed during that dispensation. There was overlap, but Paul's gospel is to be believed today. Peter's gospel is not, nor should be preached today.

    The only difference between the two Gentiles is their inheritance. A Gentile who believed Peter's gospel would inherit eternal life and from my understanding would have entered the Davidic kingdom on earth along with the believing remnant of Israel.

    A Gentile who believes Paul's gospel will inherit eternal life and go to heaven.
     
  2. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Paul says there is no difference. All who believe are Israel. All who do not believe are not.
     
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    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    No one ever has been saved by <responding> to the Gospel.
     
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    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    It, "saved by grace through faith, is the gift of God". So yes, God requires faith given back to Him for having given it to us first. But never would God or does He conditionally <require faith for salvation>.

    We plant a tree, and patiently expect fruit; we don't plant fruit and miraculously expect a tree.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    I would say...who taught you this cacophony of religiosity? There are too many errors here to count.

    First what do you mean by saved? Delivered from the power of sin? Go to heaven like "all good dogs"?

    There is no such thing as a dispensation the way you put it. A dispensation is a stewardship given to one person. Paul's dispensation was for him alone to empower him to minister to the nations.

    Peter did not have a separate gospel. All the apostles should be listened to today. They are in a book called the bible.

    There is no Davidic kingdom on earth....that is the Dispensationalist error.

    I think you need to go to a de-programmer or some kind of cult recovery program here. There is nothing but error in your OP.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    addressing the OP only ........ NO. the just must live by FAITH, Habakkuk 2:4. for God have given every man, (male, and female) the measure of FAITH, Romans 12:3. it's what one do with their faith, are they hearer or doers of his faith. hence the reason for the parable of the sower and the seed, and the parable of talent, the parable of wheat and tares or the ten virgins. the apostle Paul made it plain to those under the law, and us under grace by seeing the comparison. Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified).that word justified simply means declared righteous. not all in the church are declared righteous.

    so there are "hearers", and there are "doers". goats, and sheeps, wheat and tares. for there is no diffrence in faith, nor gospel. it's what you do with your faith in the gospel.

    Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
    Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". so then, there are believers and those who think they are believers. again sheep and goat judgment.

    Romans 10:5 "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
    Romans 10:6 "But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
    Romans 10:7 "Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
    Romans 10:8 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
    Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    Romans 10:11 "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
    Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    PICJAG
     
  7. Enoch111

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    I cannot understand how you are so thoroughly confused about things which are plain and simple. Peter did not have any "dispensation" apart from Paul. So if you are a Hyper-Dispensationalist, you will continue to be confused. Peter also did not have a Gospel that was different from that of Paul.
    Now you are compounding your error. Everything preached and taught by Peter corresponded to everything taught by Paul. The only difference between these two apostles is that initially Peter had a very hard time accepting the fact that God would save Gentiles just as much as He could save Jews, and in like manner.
    NO ONE INHERITS ETERNAL LIFE. Eternal life is God's gift to the sinner who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. As to the Davidic Kingdom that is reserved for AFTER the Second Coming of Christ.
    There is only one Gospel, which is called the Gospel of God, the Gospel of Christ, the Gospel of Grace, the eternal Gospel, and several other terms. But no one inherits eternal life. That was a faulty assumption of a Rich Young Ruler who did not even get saved in the end.
     
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    Which demands a question, is it inheritance earned or is it a gift?

    If being the child of one inherited from are we not children of God when born-again?
     
  9. Doug

    Doug Active Member

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    Hello

    How do you say we are saved?
     
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    I was JUST going to say that when I saw yours.
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    Whether Peter had 'got it right' or not didn't matter GOD had already taken down all dividers, in colour, race, bond or free, all one in Christ.
    By then there was no Jew or Gentile..except in the mind of Peter and such.
    ( as in some minds today) Peter was just a bit later in catching the train..but he got it...
     
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    Doug Active Member

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    Hello again

    You said......But no one inherits eternal life.....Scripture says...And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19:29

    You said......Peter also did not have a Gospel that was different from that of Paul....Scripture says.....But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:7
     
  12. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Already asked and answered. How did you miss this?
    NO ONE INHERITS ETERNAL LIFE. Eternal life is God's gift to the sinner who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    You gave your opinion.

    And yet the Bible says such things as Israel and church are co-heirs. And that we are heirs with Christ.

    What Does the Bible Say About Heirs Of Salvation?
     
  14. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Doug,

    Since no one inherits eternal life, you should have dug into this a little deeper. So the meaning is clarified in Thayer's Greek Lexicon, which is "to partake of eternal salvation":

    Thayer's Greek Lexicon
    STRONGS NT 2816: κληρονομέω (kléronomeó)
    2.
    universally, "to receive the portion assigned to one, receive an allotted portion, receive as one's own or as a possession; to become partaker of, to obtain" (cf. English inherit) (as φημην, Polybius 18, 38 (55), 8; τήνἐπ' εὐσέβεια δόξαν, 15, 22, 3); in Biblical Greek everywhere with the accusative of the thing; so very frequent in the O. T. in the phrase κληρονομουν γῆνand τήν γῆν, of the occupation of the land of Canaan by the Israelites, as Leviticus 20:24; Deuteronomy 4:22, 26;Deuteronomy 6:1, etc. But as the Israelites after taking possession of the land were harassed almost perpetually by their hostile neighbors, and even driven out of the country for a considerable period, it came to pass that the phrase was transferred to denote the tranquil and stable possession of the holy land crowned with all divine blessings, an experience which pious Israelites were to expect under the Messiah: Psalm 24:13 (); Psalm 36:9, 11, 22, 29, 34 () Alex.; Isaiah 60:21; Tobit 4:12; ἐκ δευτέρας κληρονομήσουσι τήν γῆν,Isaiah 61:7; hence, it became a formula denoting to partake of eternal salvation in the Messiah's kingdom: Matthew 5:5 (4) (from Psalm 36:11 ()), where see Bleek. ζωήν αἰώνιον, Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:17;Luke 10:25; Luke 18:18;...
    Here all you had to do was study the book of Acts. All that means is that Paul was appointed to be the apostle to the Gentiles, whereas Peter was appointed to be the apostle to the Jews.

    That did not mean two DIFFERENT Gospels but the same Gospel going to two different groups of people. God already knew that Peter would not be very comfortable ministering to Gentiles, whereas Paul was totally suited to that ministry.
     
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    Rom 6 "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

    Now whether we keep or lose our inheritance is up to us. He has it 'prepared',...... "I go to prepare a PLACE for you."....now whether we attain to that position depend on us sticking to the path and finishing the race...
    only then can we say like Paul could ..." I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith.. Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only...."
     
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    Your problem is your own definition is about inheritance.
     
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    That is not related to the gift of eternal life but the inheritance reserved for the saints OVER AND ABOVE the gift of eternal life.

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 6:263)
     
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    And your problem is refusal to believe plain Bible passages. That will get you into a lot of trouble.
     
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    By God in Christ having responded to our PLIGHT, not our pleas!

    In fact, by God in Christ proactively having responded to our plight.
     
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  20. Doug

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    Hello

    For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:17

    From faith....this is saying that it is faith that saves....the revealed righteousness of God is imputed to us is by faith in Christ
    to faith...that knowledge generates faith as our sole means of salvation

    Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Romans 3:22

    For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Romans 5:17
     
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