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Is this Right? Am I the only one who thinks this?

Discussion in 'Christianity & Science Forum' started by AnonyTiger, May 23, 2017.

  1. Programmed by a being With intelligence

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  2. God moves them himself

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  3. Something else (Some how / some way without intelligence)

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  1. AnonyTiger

    AnonyTiger New Member

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    So, I've been thinking a lot about Atoms lately (sounds odd, lol), but I've really been thinking - I believe atoms actually Prove God's existence / prove that the world was Created with intelligence.

    So, we all know that atoms Move. They're always in constant motion. Even when in freezing conditions, they still "tunnel" around.

    The atheist's point of view as to how the universe..got here.. Supposedly has to be without any sort of intelligence / a Creator.

    ...But if an Atom is not intelligent, but is able to move - Exactly How is it doing so?
    Whether they're "bouncing off" of each other, or if it's an Electromagnetic field moving them, how are these things doing so without Any form of intelligence?

    It can't be "just because" - this basically means that Nothing is causing the atom to move, and obviously - that doesn't make sense since Nothing is the absence of Everything, therefore - No Thing can literally do or produce anything.

    If it's an electromagnetic field causing them to move, then that itself is either intelligent or Programmed by an intelligent being ultimately all together.

    Overall, what I'm saying is that an Atom Moves yet it Isn't considered alive, or intelligent.
    Isn't it Logical to claim that God is in control of the atom / making it move? This is correct, right? Is there Any other possibilities? I Truly do believe this, but I'm afraid I am missing something - it just seems So easy and ultimately logical in my opinion. Please share your thoughts.
    Thank you.
     
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  2. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    I'm assuming you speak of the atomic scale. Internal energy is just atoms bouncing around. They don't stop moving because of conservation of energy. If heat leaves a system they move slower, if you add heat they move faster. They can be excited further by radiant heat or emf.

    Imagine a billiard table with no holes and no friction. The balls on the table would never stop.
     
  3. Greg Merrill

    Greg Merrill New Member

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    I like where you are going with this, but am not sure you are covering enough to make it fly.
    A lot of things move that are not alive, not just atoms. Ever set something down and for a moment it doesn't move so you walk away, only to have kinetic energy take over and the thing then falls? I hate that. Ever see a piece of paper floating down a river? Neither the paper or the river are alive, but they are moving. Of course we can then ask "Where did the paper and the river come from? We can trace them back to the Creator of all things of course. The atheist will not go for this logic, however. The Christian can appreciate it, but they are not spiritually blind.
     
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    Sword Well-Known Member

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    What about protons. There is sone great stuff out there on quantum physics. All of it is proving God and they are all having to change a lot the thought was correct and now is wrong.
     
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    The atoms are not real but they appear to be real because of the processing of stored data. We can make illusions of atoms now on a computer screen because of the powerful processors they have now. Those tiny particles the scientists say they can observe with special atomic microscopes are not made of material things. Each particle is an illusion from invisible wavelengths of information. One wavelength is the lowest form of information that exists in God's computing language and when enough wavelengths of information are processed, we can observe tiny particles that make up bigger images such as our human bodies and other images but only as illusions. These bigger images are not real but they sure do look real to us.

    So think of an atom as pixels in a Photoshop image that make it possible to see larger defined images. By observing one or 100 pixels, you do not have enough information to observe but if you have a thousands of them to form a defined image, then you can understand what that defined image is. It's impossible to look at one atom and understand the bigger picture. You need to observe trillions of them with their individual particles of light wavelengths blinking off and on again to observe a bigger image within your created mind.

    The Word of God is nothing but stored data that was broken down from the thoughts of our Creator. Within that stored data is an AI and Voice system that we call God which converts that stored data into visible images and invisible thoughts that give us a visible body to experience life in a visible world.

    Jesus learned that we came from an invisible realm but they did not have the computers with AI and voice systems for the first servants to observe so they could learn what that invisible realm is. Now we know after my testimonies to the knowledge called Christ that reveals all this knowledge about how we're created and how the first part of this program called the first generation will come to an end on the day of the Lord. We also learn how we're going to experience life on the new earth with a new heaven
     
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    The atom is not intelligent, but is the core basis or foundation upon which the material universe and its life is made and is described in quantum mechanics, and in which the atom is "basically empty space". It has within its framework fields or forces with opposite polarity (such as a water molecule that is bound together by a hydrogen bond) that allows for an unlimited arrangement in order for life to exist. There are four fundamental physical forces that have so far been established as running the "cosmos".

    (1) Gravity - a very weak force on the level of atoms that affects large objects such as planets, stars and galaxies. (2) Electromagnetism - the key attracting force between protons and electrons, allowing molecules to form and of which lightning is one evidence of its power. (3) Strong nuclear force - the force that glues protons and neutrons together in the nucleus of an atom. (4) Weak nuclear force - the force that governs the decay of radioactive elements and allows for the efficient thermonuclear activity of the stars such as our sun.

    These four forces are more than precisely interwoven together so as to create the universe as its now exists, with its wide diversity of life that leaves many in awe. The "fine tuning" of the universe is so precise that any changes in these four fundamental forces, however minute, would be catastrophic for the universe and the life that it supports (Albert Einstein questioned whether "God could have made the universe any other way")

    Elements vital for life (particularly carbon, oxygen and iron) could not exist were it not for the precision tuning of the four forces of the universe. Hence, this precise balance is critical, like a person walking a tightrope. Change the relationship, even by a little, such as between gravity and electromagnetism, and the electrons circling around their nucleus would fly off, unable to sustain their orbits around it. Thus, no atoms and no universe or life.

    Of gravity, according to cosmologist Carlos Frenk (Director of the Institute for Computational Cosmology at Durham University, England), when the "Big Bang" or the beginning of the universe occurred, the exact amount of gravity was produced - too little gravity, no galaxies would have formed, for everything would have flown apart; too much gravity and there would be nothing but "black holes", and hence no universe. He acknowledged that at the inception of the universe that just the "right amount of gravity" was created, for galaxies and for life to exist.

    Astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzales said that "my work, in part, deals with astrobiology from an astronomers viewpoint. I simply follow the empirical evidence wherever it will lead me, and I try not to let philosophical preconceptions color my interpretations. Over the past decade, I have amassed a body of data that continues to reveal the Earth's uncommon qualities."

    He further said that "we could also look at the size of the Earth as a parameter that must be fine-tuned......Even seemingly minor influences on life, such as the Moon, are being found to have a strong connection. The Moon stabilizes the tilt of the Earth's rotation axis. Without this stabilization, global temperatures would vary over a much greater range. The trends in astrobiology research continue to narrow the parameter space that a planet must fit into if it is to support life."

    Due to the moon being about 1/4 the size of the earth and thus projecting a strong gravitational pull on the earth prevents the earth's tilt from ranging from 0 degrees to 85 degrees, providing a precise balancing act, without which would cause freezing temperatures on one side of the earth while the other side would roast. Instead, the tilt of the earth is 23.45 degrees, just right for our four seasons to occur. Furthermore, the moon is the principal cause of ocean tides, which play a vital role in earth' s ecology.

    An ancient king named Solomon was inspired to write that our Maker, Jehovah God "has....put eternity in their (man's) heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish".(Ecc 3:11) Solomon further wrote: "I considered all the work (the universe with its wide diversity of life though not even close on today's scale) of the true God, and I realized that mankind cannot comprehend what happens under the sun. No matter how hard men try, they cannot comprehend it (fully). Even if they claim that they are wise enough to know, they cannot really comprehend it".(Ecc 8:17)

    Hence, it is not possible to fully glean all there is to know about the universe, even when living forever, for it is too extraordinary. But the "meek" ones who will live on the paradise earth that Jehovah has promised for them (see Luke 23:43), will nonetheless, enjoy life to the full, recognizing that having all knowledge is not required to live a deeply satisfying life (though intensely interesting to examine and will continue everlastingly) as God intended when he created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden of Eden some 6,000 years ago, for Jesus, quoting David at Psalms 37:11, said that "blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth".(Matt 5:5, KJV)
     
  7. skyangel

    skyangel Realist

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    God IS Atoms.
    God is all and in all the same as atoms are all and in all.
     
  8. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    Umm... No
     
  9. Job

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    Science already has this one figured out. And even if you proved the atoms were being controlled by an outside force, they would still deny it was God.

    An atheist that thinks logically isn't an atheist for very long.........if they're honest.

    Good topic. Made me do some digging. That's always good...
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  10. skyangel

    skyangel Realist

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    It all depends on ones perception and interpretation of Eph 4:6
    If you take it literally, God is through all atoms and in all atoms. Since all is made of atoms, in a physical sense, that would indeed make God atoms and atoms God in a physical sense. In a spiritual sense, LIFE is all and in all. Therefore in a spiritual sense LIFE is God and God is LIFE... not an invisible character in the sky.
     
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    So who or what controls God?
    If nothing but himself. Why can't the same principle apply to atoms?

    Who or what created God?
    The answer to that is that humans created all gods in their image. The human imagination is a very creative force.
     
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    Job Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    we are told but unable to really grasp or accept what is meant by God is spirit, because we are also unable to accept what science is saying, for the greatest achievement of science has been the dematerialisation of matter - so what does this mean or involve - the Bible clearly tells us that 'in Him we move and live and have our being' - for truly we do not even breathe but think we do and do not even think we do not think - twinc
     
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    Science is anything that can be measured. Spirit is anything that can not be measured. Science is powered by logic and evidence. Spirit is powered by believing and wisdom. No connection. Stop trying to prove or disprove spiritual things with science.
     
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