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  1. Holy999

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    can you say me it
     
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    Book of the Living
    The first mention of a "book" in which names were retained or blotted out, is found in Exodus 32:33 - the first of six mentions in the OT.

    The Hebrew word translated "book" is sepher, which means "take account of, to reckon." There are several interesting points here to examine.
    First; it is not "Christ’s" book but God’s record of each person’s worth.

    Second, there is no mention of when or how the names are added or subtracted, only that God has such a record and that He reserves the right to blot out the names of those who sin against Him.

    It seems to be that the names of all people are recorded in the Book from birth. Whether those names remain in the Book is dependent on the choices of action each of us are confronted with making, as we go thru life. The concern, then, is not how to get our names in the book, but how to prevent our names from being erased from the book.


    Psalm 69:22-28.....Let Your indignation fall upon them....let them be blotted out from the Book of the Living, remove them from the list of the innocent.
    This is a good illustration of the positive and negative aspects associated with being in the book of the Source of Life. Those whose names are in the Book will gain entry to the Kingdom at His appearing, so our prime concern should be to keep our names in the Book of Life.

    Daniel 12:1-3 says that entry into the kingdom is a blessing for those whose names are in the book - nothing is said about heaven. In Philippians 4:3, Paul confirmed that the names of those labouring with him were still written in the book of life.

    All the other scriptures pertaining to the book of life are in Revelation and these verses reinforce the message in the OT, updated in the light of Jesus’ teachings.

    In Revelation 3:5, Jesus said: "He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father..." He does not say He would add the names to the book of life. He simply affirmed that he would not blot them out.

    He also said that he will acknowledge their names before the Father. What a promise! The message here in Revelation is the same as the one delivered by David and Daniel: The Overcomers will be the ones who actually enter the kingdom of God. The emphasis here is on the positive aspects for those who have believed in faith and trust in Jesus- and He said that His Words were not His but those of His Father.

    This verse clearly implies that there is a definite possibility that names can be erased, or blotted out of the book through disobedience to the Lord’s Words.
    So; to keep our names in the Book of Life requires us to be an Overcomer. The question then becomes - how do I become an overcomer? An overcomer of what?

    Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

    The Book belongs to God. Those entered into it have embraced the testimony of the Life of the Lamb. Those who follow the teachings found in the Life and Words of the Son are to live as He lived - overcoming the temptation of the world by being righteous, even as He is. Ref: HaRold
     
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    Yes, I went to the library and found my name written in it. Whew, was I relieved!
     
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    The book of the living and the book of life are not the same book.
     
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    I disagree.
    Perhaps you could explain the difference?
     
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    The book of the living was a literal record book for the nation of Israel. The book of life is a record of all of the elect.
     
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    Excellent exposition. I personally, would have to look into it more just to verify in my own mind, every point that you established. But, all the same, very thorough and helpful. Great job!
     
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    Now, that is funny!!! :p
     
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    You have no scripture for this opinion.
    God has one Book, it is for the names of everyone who believes in Him and keeps His Commandments. It was never just for Israel, Abraham, Noah, etc, were not Israelites and ethnicity is of no consequence for. we Christians today.
     
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    I believe there are Book(s).
    A Book of Life...
    ...OF Names of All persons Naturally Out of the Earth...Beginning with Adam, forward to the last person Naturally Living person born out of the Earth, during the Great Tribulation and forward through the 1,000 year reign, and through the celestial battle, when Satan is loosed.

    During that time ^ of every natural mortal...
    Names are Entered when the person is mortally Alive...and Subject to Blottling Out.
    (So, the entering of Names and Blotting of Names is ONGOING, according to Individuals).
    The Names Blotted OUT, are individuals WHO heard and rejected God, even UP TO the moment of their natural Death.

    The Names "Remaining", also Contains; their "WORKS", that Glorified God, FOR which According to "their WORKS, "they shall be REWARDED...
    Simply: More Accounted WORKS that Glorified God...More Rewards unto THAT individual.
    The REWARDS, are not specified.
    Likely, (speculation), Greater Status and Greater Proven Competency, to Be in Greater Positions to Serve the Lord God in His "World Wide" Kingdom.

    The Lambs Book of Life.
    ...This Book Contains Names (of individuals Already IN the Book of Life, (Not Blotted Out).
    ...And Specific Names of men IN Christ, whose SPIRIT was QUICKEN (born Again) Before their Bodily Death....
    AKA...Christ's Church.
    ...These Individuals;
    1) Can never be Blotted out of this Book.
    2) Are NOT SUBJECT TO:
    ** any portion of the Lambs WRATH (during the Great Tribulation.)
    **any portion of Gods WRATH (during the Great Tribulation.)
    3) Are already prepared: body, soul, spirit; to be Claimed/Resurrected/Redeemed/"Lifted UP" ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
    While those Remaining ON Earth...
    Experience "their PORTION" of the Lambs Wrath and Gods Wrath...for them having disbelief in Either or Both....and Some will Experience;
    Gods Cup of Indignation-
    Meaning, Gods VENGEANCE upon All WHO...persecuted Believers IN God, solely Because they Believed in God...
    (As God said Vengeance is HiS... that becomes Fulfilled).

    Above the Face of the Earth

    Heaven? No
    Clouds, Air, no longer ON the Face / Surface of the Earth.
    Why? Because Death, Destruction, (people being Destroyed, with THE Earth.)
    Why? Are certain ones removed from the surface of the Earth?
    Because they are already Made Wholly Whole and holy...
    And not subject to Wrath...
    The Lord God Himself, His Holy angel's and His holy (made immortal) People...are all UP ABOVE the surface (face of the Earth)...in the Clouds.

    Luke 17:26 gives us a preview of what to expect.

    Luke 17:
    [26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

    Study of Noah's days leading up to and the Earth's destruction gives us a preview of what shall happen before and during the Great Tribulation...to the Earth and to the Occupants upon the Earth.

    Highlights: OT Tribulation.
    World was full of corruption.
    Gen 6:5
    Gen 6:12
    Only In Noah & his family did God find Grace.
    Gen 6:8
    Gen 6:18
    God directs Noah to build an Ark, enter the Ark, with Noah's Family and Approx. 350 particular kinds of Animals.
    Gen :6:14
    Gen 7: 1,2,3
    God shuts the Ark door.
    Gen 7:16
    God brings Flooding Rain upon the Earth
    Gen 7:12
    The Ark becomes Lifted UP ABOVE the Surface of the Earth, To the Face of the waters.
    Gen 7:17
    Gen 7:18
    Those saved ALIVE were In the Ark, Above the Face of the Earth.
    Gen 7:23
    Those upon the Face of the Earth, all died.
    Gen 7: 21,22,23
    God destroyed the wicked upon the Face of the Earth, with the (flood waters) upon the Earth.
    Gen 6:13

    And what were the Wicked Doing...
    "While" the Righteous Believers were PREPARING for the Earth's destruction?
    Luke 17:
    [27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
    (In Brief...NOT Being Prepared to BE Saved BY the Lord God).

    So in effect, nearly the entire population of the Earth, was Blotted out of the Book of Life, during "that" (flood) Tribulation.

    Prophecy: Another Tribulation...without Water, But a multitude Greater than the Flood.
    Matt 24:
    [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    So What's New?
    Nothing.

    Ecc 1:
    [9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

    Men Who Are MADE Prepared, Shall Be Lifted UP (Whole, body, soul, spirit) ABOVE the Face OF The Earth.
    Destruction shall commence Upon the Face of the Earth.

    There are certain signs of fulfillment in Matt 24. But no definite day or hour as to When the Great Tribulation will Begin.

    There ARE Scriptures that Reveal WHAT any individual CAN DO to Become Made Prepared (as Noah was made Prepared).

    Inanutshell, the Prepared ARE those Converted IN Christ, AND whose Names ARE in the Lambs Book of Life, Wholly Prepared for an unknown day and hour The Lord is in the Clouds prepared to call up to Him, that which belongs to Him.

    So WHEN the day and hour is at hand for the Great Tribulation to Commence...Those IN Christ, Shall be Lifted UP ABOVE the Face of the Earth...To the Clouds...accounted out of Harms Way, and With their Lord God; while HE comences His Wrath UPON THOSE not yet, or who will never be MADE Whole...
    Body, soul, spirit.

    That Lifting UP Before the Great Tribulation Begins...applies exclusively to Christ's Church.

    The burden of Men in Christ spreading Gods Word is accomplished.
    During the first portion of the Great Tribulation:
    Further Preaching of Gods Word to Israel (people of the 12 Tribes, remaining on Earth) is accomplished By those God Sends...(Tribal holy men SEALED unto God), that Israel may be Saved and MADE "prepared" for resurrection...and to the rest of the World (Gentile's)... Gods angel shall shall fly above the earth Preaching the Word of God...that all can hear and have their final opportunity to accept Gods Offer of Eternal life WITH the Lord God.
    Then commences the continuing portions of the Great Tribulation.

    Glory to God, Just and True is He,
    Taken
     
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    Is your name in the Book of Life?
    ^ OP

    Yes, my name is in Gods Book of Life and the Lambs Book of Life.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    This theory is wrong, you totally fail to show any scriptural support for any removal from the earth.

    We WILL be tested; 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, +
    We will remain on earth, fulfilling our destiny as His witnesses and His Light to the nations.
     
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    And where is your Scriptural Support of the "TIME" of one being Tried by Fire?
    Your Listed Scriptural References say nothing About the Time...or Remaining on Earth, only that there shall be a trying of fire. QUOTE

    The terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is the Day that no one knows. Matthew 24:36-41
    However we can know the season from the many indications the Bible gives us. Plainly; we are now very close to that time.
     
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    Gods POWER is likened to the POWER of FIRE.

    Mankind can comprehend FIRE DOES Several things.
    Fire, warms, gives light, burns, consumes, leaves ash, and Cleanses through Purification.

    God has ALOT of cleansing to DO upon the Entire Earth.

    And IF you study His Offering: you should have learned; A Converted man "IS" Baptized with:

    Luke 3:
    [16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

    Matt 3:
    [11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

    After the Lord rose Back UP TO Heaven, When the Lord Baptized People, as revealed in Scripture ... Fire was present for man to See, receiving the Lords Baptism of the Holy Spirit IS WHEN they receive HIS Purifying Fire...Not Destructive Fire...(the DID NOT turn to Ash.)

    Acts 2:
    [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    [4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost...

    I fully trust every man Baptized by the Lord, with the Holy Spirit IS Also at that Time Purified With the Fire of the Lord.

    You imply all men become Subject to Gods Destroying Fire, a consuming Fire, because of Gods Wrath Against all men.

    God has no Wrath planned For men already Purified with His Fire and Baptized with His Holy Fire.

    WORKS of the Baptized man WILL be Tried with Gods Fire.
    If a mans Works glorified God, those WORKS shall gain the man a Rewardfro God.
    If that mans Works did Not Glorify God, those WORKS shall be destroyed by Gods Fire.

    Can't say for you, but I have already been Tested with Gods Fire and Baptized with His Holy Spirit and am Not SUBJECT to His Wrath.


    WHO IS and WHO is Not Subject to Gods Wrath:
    John 3:
    [36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Glory to God,
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    Deuteronomy 32:22 says God will kindle a fire that will burn the earth in judgment and punishment.
    Over 70 other prophesies also describe literal fire sent by the Lord. Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +

    Here is Amos's description of this; the Sixth Seal world wide disaster:

    Amos 5:8-9 He that made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns deep darkness into dawn and darkens day into night. He who summons the waters of the sea and pours them over the earth: Y’hovah is His Name. He makes destruction flash forth upon strongholds.

    Amos 5:16-20 Calamity and misfortune will come to those who long for the Day of the Lord. What will that Day mean for you? It will be a Day of darkness, not light, it will be as when someone runs from a lion only to be confronted by a bear! Or to be bitten by a snake in one’s own house! The Day of the Lord will indeed be pitch black, without any ray of light.

    Amos 8:7-10 The Lord has sworn by the arrogance of Jacob, I shall not forget their sin and apostasy. Will not the land quake because of this? Will not all who live in it mourn? The whole earth will surge and seeth like the Nile, then subside like the river of Egypt. On that Day, I will darken the world at noon time, all will mourn and lament on that bitter Day. Ref: REB, CJB.


    those who long for the Day of the Lord’. ‘long for, or want’, may be better translated as: ‘bring on, or cause to happen’. This applies to the enemies of the Lord, as they strive to impose their political and religious agendas onto the world; their actions will ‘call forth His wrath’. Deut. 32:22 & 34-35, Ezekiel 7:14, Isaiah 24:1

    ‘Calamity and misfortune will come to them’. The Lord will ‘send fire’, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14. Amos 2:2 & 5 I shall send fire on Judah, fire to consume the palaces of Jerusalem. That is: the State of Israel. But note that in Amos 2:6-16, all Israel, the Western nations, will be punished and their military destroyed. ‘He makes destruction flash forth onto the strongholds’. A Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun will literally fulfil all the prophesies of this Day: Isaiah 30:25-28, Jeremiah 50:22-23, Hosea 2:18, Micah 5:10-11, Zephaniah 1:16, Jeremiah 50:27

    ‘The whole earth will surge and subside, like the Nile’. Massive, worldwide earthquakes will be caused by the microwave penetration of the earth’s crust by this CME. Isaiah 24:18-19, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Revelation 6:14

    ‘He pours the waters of the sea over the earth’, As the earth ‘reels and shakes’, and is ‘moved from its place’, Isaiah 13:13, the lakes and oceans will move violently from side to side, causing huge tsunamis, that will engulf and devastate all the low-lying areas worldwide. Amos 9:6, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:42

    The Day of the Lord, will be pitch black, at noontime’. Zephaniah 2:4 also mentions noon day as the time of this terrible event. However the first sign we will see will be a flash of bright light, Isaiah 30:26, Job 36:32, Psalms 18:14. Then the great mass of superheated hydrogen plasma will obscure the sun, as it races toward earth. Isaiah 50:3, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Joel 2:1-2

    ‘Jacob’s arrogant and apostate descendants’. They are the House of Judah – the Jewish people, and the House of Israel – the Western nations; they will all be judged on that Day. Ezekiel 21:1-16, Zechariah 13:7-9, Hosea 7:10, Hosea 8:14, Isaiah 1:25, 2 Peter 3:10, 2 Thess. 1:8
     
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    Ok.
    The Lord can destroy with Fire or Baptise with Fire.
     
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    The Lord WILL destroy with fire, but we baptize with water.

    Isaiah 26:20-21....
    Go, My people, withdraw for a little while, until the Lords wrath has passed. The Lord is coming to punish the wicked and apostate peoples of the earth.

    Isaiah 27:1 On that Day, the Lord will punish with His powerful sword Leviathan, that twisting serpent.

    Isaiah 27:2-5 On that day, sing of the fruitful vineyard – I the Lord am it’s keeper. I tend it constantly, but I get no fruit from it. If only it were briars and thorns, then I would not hesitate to destroy it. But if they [Israelites, now every faithful Christian person] come to Me for refuge, I will let them make peace with Me.

    Isaiah 27:6 In time to come, Jacobs posterity will prosper and Israel will flourish. They will fill the whole earth with fruit. Matthew 21:43

    Isaiah27:7-9 Has the Lord struck Israel, as He has killed their enemies? The atonement for Jacob’s guilt is made by their sojourn in exile. All the idol worshipping altars and sacred poles are destroyed.

    Isaiah 27:10 The fortified settlement is abandoned. Animals graze there and the trees are dead, good only for firewood.

    Isaiah 27:11 For this is a people without understanding, so their Maker will not show them favour.

    Isaiah 27:12 In that day, the Lord will thresh the grain from the Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt and you, Israelites will be gathered one by one. On that Day, a great trumpet will sound and those who were exiled in Assyria and Egypt will come to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.
    Ref: REB, NIV some verses abridged


    V 20-21 We are told to take cover, as the Lord sends fire to destroy His enemies.
    All righteous people, faithful Christians who love the Lord, need to prepare for a time, soon after the Lords Day of vengeance, when the Call comes to gather into the Promised Land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

    V 1 The Lords Day of wrath and vengeance against His enemies, who are led by Satan allegorised as a serpent. Isaiah 30:27-28

    V 2-5 The Lord’s vineyard: Israel. If they acknowledge and trust God, He will save them.

    V 6 Israel, that is: all the 12 tribes, plus those grafted in who are judged righteous and settled into the Land, will be the Light to the nations. Isaiah 60:3

    V 7-9 The sins of the forefathers are expiated by the exile. Isaiah 10:27

    V 10 The Land, cleared and swept clean after the Day of vengeance. The trees are killed because of the fire judgement, a CME sunstrike. Joel 1:15-20, Isaiah 32:12-14

    V 11 This refers to the current inhabitants of the Land. Jeremiah 12:14

    V 12 On that day, all the area of Greater Israel will be judged. A remnant will be saved. But then the surviving exiles from Assyria [the 10 Northern tribes] and Egypt [Judah] will regather in the Land, along with every faithful Christian from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Zechariah 9:14-17
     
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    So what is you point?
     
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    The next prophesied event will be the Sixth Seal, the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that will change the world.
    It will come upon everyone, dreaming that you will 'taken', is a delusion.
     
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