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But the sin that lives in me.

Romans 7

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

So when Paul writes, It is no more I that do it (evil, that is), but sins that lives in me,

What exactly is he saying here?

Much love!
 

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What exactly is he saying here?
that it is us the problem we have free will and we abuse it . the old saying we are what we eat . feed the flesh we get fat.physical and worldly. feed the spirit we get filled no room for anything else.. but spiritual fruit
It is no more I that do it (evil, that is), but sins that lives in me,
1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. we are made up of 3 parts spirit and soul and body each one has a function
 

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that it is us the problem we have free will and we abuse it . the old saying we are what we eat . feed the flesh we get fat.physical and worldly. feed the spirit we get filled no room for anything else.. but spiritual fruit 1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. we are made up of 3 parts spirit and soul and body each one has a function
I think there is something else God is teaching us, about our relationship to sin now that we are His children.

Much love!
 

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But the sin that lives in me.

Romans 7

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

So when Paul writes, It is no more I that do it (evil, that is), but sins that lives in me,

What exactly is he saying here?

Much love!
If we could all wrap our heads around the reality that time does not actually exist, and rather that we are walking through the pages of what is already written and experiencing it for the first time in a "created" timeline format...there is a better way to understand such things.

In other words, Paul penned those words because of when he was doing it, and the understanding of the day. Granted, most are still of that same understanding today, and yet it is unnecessary. We should know better. We should be able to come to that climatic point in our own part in history (His story) and our own story, and know that..."Okay, I have arrived at the gates of eternity, and the rest of what I experience in the world I have not yet experienced yet, but it is known by God and 'finished', and so I can relax, do good stuff, and cruise."

But science has suppressed this fact--and go figure, the scientific community has been all but taken over by atheists.

And we are the world?
 

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But the sin that lives in me.

Romans 7

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

So when Paul writes, It is no more I that do it (evil, that is), but sins that lives in me,

What exactly is he saying here?

Much love!

Romans 7:15 "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I."

At times I do things that I simply cannot explain why I did it. Sometimes what I know I should do, I just don't do it. Sometimes the very thing that I hate, I end up doing. Does this sound like you at times? If we were honest, I think it applies to all of us. To the person that would not face up to this, there is a word that applies to them; "Self-righteous".

We are not trying to excuse sin, but if you are in a humble position before God, and being in the flesh, and able to face reality, you know that all sin must be repented in Jesus name, and if it isn't you are headed for a big fall. This is Paul speaking, and even he knew that he fell short, but it was through the Word and Paul's repentance that all of Paul's sins were washed away, and freedom came to him.

Romans 7:16 "If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good."

This is saying that everytime we admit to those things that we do not want to do, but do them and sin, we are admitting and consenting that the law is good. When you repent of any sin, you are consenting that the law is good. The law is our guide to let us know when we step out of God's commandments, and by repenting we free ourselves for the act that we had just committed, and that sin is not binding to us before the Father.

Romans 7:17 "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

We are in our flesh bodies, in the carnal, we will continue to sin while in the sin. This is not an excuse to sin, while in the flesh, but Paul is letting us, the saved of God know that as we try to live for Christ, in the flesh, we still have that old nature with us. Friend, this is reality and we must be aware of our condition while in the flesh, so we can be on guard and try to control that flesh nature that we have.

Romans 7:18 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good, I find not."

Notice here that Paul is relating to being in the flesh "(that is, in my flesh,)" because there are two of us, the spiritual and the flesh. This is Paul the Apostle of Jesus Christ speaking and saying that there is no good thing in his flesh body and his old flesh nature. "To will is present with me", means that Paul wants to do what is right, but it seems that I just don't have to power within me to always do that which is right.

If you can come to the point of understanding what Paul has just said in these past few verses, then you will see what a blessing we have in seeing our shortfall, and sins, even when we do not know why did the thing; in our ability to repent to the Father, and apologize to those that we have hurt, and by faith in Jesus make it right eternally.

Our Heavenly Father understands you just as you understand and forgive your own tiny child when that child comes to you and says "I'm sorry mommy, or daddy". What do you say to your small child? "That's okay, I'll take care of it," and you do. It is forgotten, even though you know that it will probably happen again. That is how our Heavenly Father takes care of His children, you and I. He knows you are not perfect, for He created your flesh body in a manner that you can hear His Word and chose to follow Him and trust Him, or reject Him.

Romans 7:19 "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."

Paul says that even against his own wishes it seems that I continue to sin and fall short.

Romans 7:20 "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

If you don't realize that you sin, and that in the flesh body you have that sin nature, sooner or later sin will overtake you. You had better see it for what it is when it does come. If you sit back and say that you don't sin anymore because you are saved, friend, you are in serious trouble and the direction you are heading is straight to hell.

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But the sin that lives in me.

Romans 7

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

So when Paul writes, It is no more I that do it (evil, that is), but sins that lives in me,

What exactly is he saying here?

Much love!
The question may be if we are going to live as loving people or like beasts? That "beast" within has its urges; and most of them are neither good nor bad by themselves -- but we can satisfy those urges in either good or bad ways. If we do not learn how to control those urges, they will rule over us. We can become slaves to them. The wrong ways of satisfying those urges leads to problems or even disaster. They aren't rational.

Take drugs that get people high for example. Everyone likes to feel happy, and some drugs make people feel happy. Yet the same drugs result in more misery in the end. It's better to find safer (if slower) ways of finding happiness. There's also nothing wrong with food; but there can be if we overindulge. Such urges can damage us and others.

Thus these urges can be irrational at times and in conflict with our minds. We need to learn to do the rational thing.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
 
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So when Paul writes, It is no more I that do it (evil, that is), but sins that lives in me, What exactly is he saying here?
In plain English what he is saying is that as a new creature in Christ ("I") he has absolutely no desire to sin, but because the old Adamic sin nature ("the flesh") has not been eradicated, it is the flesh ("Sin lives in me") which causes him to sin from time to time.

This is true for all Christians, therefore the Bible tells us to crucify or mortify or put to death the flesh. And that is done by walking in the Spirit and having the Spirit is total control -- being filled with the Spirit (not to speak in tongues) but to live righteously, soberly, and godly in this present world.
 

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"Okay, I have arrived at the gates of eternity, and the rest of what I experience in the world I have not yet experienced yet, but it is known by God and 'finished', and so I can relax, do good stuff, and cruise."
While we arrive here by different routes, this well expresses our lives in Christ, imo.

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From a commentary on Romans 7 by E. Waggoner.
Now to the illustration: While the law will not allow the woman to be united to two husbands at the same time, it will allow her to be united to two in succession. It is the law that allows her, and it is the law that unites her. The same law that unites her to the f irst husband, also allows her to be united to the second, after that the first is dead. This is easy to be understood, and there is no need to consider it further. Now to the application: "Wherefore my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that ye should bring forth fruit unto God." We can determine who the two husbands are by beginning with the second one. The "another" to whom we are to be married, is the one who has been raised from the dead, and that is Christ. We are one of the parties in the second marriage, and Christ is the other. He is the second husband. The question now arises, who was the first husband that died, in order that we might be united to the second? The sixth chapter has answered that. Compare Rom. 7:5 with Rom. 6. "For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death." The law held us in the first union, and now to what were we united? What were we in? We were in union with the FLESH. In the sixth chapter we found that the body of sin is destroyed by Christ. By what means is it that the body of sin becomes destroyed? By the man being crucified with Christ. In the first place we are joined to sin,—the sinful flesh. We cannot serve two masters. Here are two figures. We are servants to one master,—united to one husband. We cannot serve two masters at the same time, and we cannot be united to two husbands at the same time. But we can be united to two in succession. The first one of these, to whom we have all been united, is the body of sin; the second is Christ, who is raised from the dead. The question arises, what is meant by our being dead to the law by the body of Christ? That brings us to the point where the illustration fails us. The illustration fails us, —why? Because it is utterly impossible to find anything in life that will correctly represent in every particular divine things. There is no illustration that will serve in every particular. That is why we have so many types of Christ. No one person could serve as a complete type of him. We have Adam in one place as a type of Christ; we have Abel; we have Moses; we have Aaron; David; and Melchisedek, and many others who represent different phases of Christ, because there is no one of them who could represent him in every particular. So when the apostle would represent the union of all people with the house of Israel, he says, "I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery." It is a mystery, it is something unnatural. He says that it is a grafting process, but that it is contrary to the natural method. Therefore this illustration of marriage cannot be considered as complete in every particular. And yet, after all, the illustration does not fail, if we choose to consider that the union with the first husband is a criminal connection. It is so in the application. Those who are united to the flesh are guilty of a capital crime. The law holds them in that connection,—i.e., it will not allow them to lightly dissolve the union, and pass it by as though nothing had taken place,—but it demands their life. With this explanation we can understand what follows. We find that we are united with sin, and with the body of sin. Then Christ comes to us and he presents himself as the one altogether lovely. And in reality he is the only one who has any real claim upon us. "I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love." The apostle is writing to those who know the law, and who have left their f irst love; and what applies to them, will also apply in larger measure to those of the world. Christ comes to the door of our hearts, and knocks, and begs that we will come to him. He has spread out his hands all the day unto a rebellious people, "which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts." How deep, how unfathomable is the love of God! In Jer. 3:1 we read, "They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man’s, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord." Paul in writing to the Corinthians says, "I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." Now we desire that loveliness of character, which can be found only in Christ. We f ind that this union in which we are held—with the flesh—is not a pleasant union, but the husband to whom we are wedded is a task-master, he is a tyrant who grinds us down so that we have no liberty. The flesh is tyrannical, and it holds us down, and makes us do, not as we wish to do, but as it wishes us to do. When we by the aid of Christ come to feel that this union is a galling bondage, then we awake to the real state of our condition, and realize that whereas it may have satisfied us for a time, now we hate it and desire to rid ourselves of it, and become united to Christ. But here is where the difficulty comes in. It is expressed in the words of James 4:4. "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." Do you think that it is vain that Christ hath said, "What communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial?" Now while we still remain in the flesh we desire to take the name of Christ. Of course it is impossible for us to really be joined to Christ and still cling to the body of sin, although to outward appearance we may be able .....
 
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....to do it. We cannot actually be united to Christ and the world at the same time. We cannot have Christ for our husband, and at the same time be living with the world. But we can take the name of Christ and at the same time retain the sins of the flesh. But the law will not justify a person who does this,—who takes the name of the one man, and at the same time lives with another. The law of God does not justify us in taking the name of Christ, and in living with the flesh. Are we justified then in taking the name of Christ,—in saying that we are united to Christ, and at the same time in living in union with the body of sin? No, certainly not. Here again we find how the law is guarded at every step in this matter of justification by faith in Christ. Here every possibility is cut off for a person to say,—I am Christ's and Christ is mine, and no matter what I do, it is Christ that does it in me. No; that is not so. We cannot charge any sin to Christ; he is not responsible for any sin, for the law does not justify us in committing any sin. So we see that justification by faith is nothing else but bringing a person into perfect conformity to the law. Justification by faith does not make any provision for transgression of the law. But we will proceed to consider the case of those who have been unconscious of the claims of the law, while professing it. Paul speaks to those who know the law, and who make their boast in the law, and profess to exalt the law, and at the same time they are so blind to the requirements of the law, that they have thought they could profess Christ, and live in sin. It is not always those who profess to fear that the honor of the law will be lowered, that realize its claims to the fullest extent. Some have even preached the law, and have at the same time thought that they could live in the indulgence of the lusts of the flesh, while thinking that they were united with Christ. Now Christ has been set before us, and we see that we cannot be united to Christ and the body of sin at the same time. Then we say that we will give up that first husband,—the body of sin, and become united with Christ. But how can we get free from this body of sin,—this first husband? We cannot cause it to die by simply saying that we wish it were dead. The woman who has a loathing in her heart for her husband, because he is a brutal tyrant, cannot cause herself to be separated from him by simply desiring it. It is a good thing to want to serve Christ, if we have counted the cost, and know that we are sick and tired of the old life, and want to begin a new life, and live with Christ; for when we come to that point, we can easily find out how it can be done. Christ comes to us, and he proposes a union with us. That is lawful, because he is the only one who really has any claim upon us, and therefore while we are living in this base connection with the body of sin, he can lawfully come to us, and beg us to be united with him. But here we are united with this body of sin, and the law will not justify us in becoming united to Christ till that body of sin is dead. For note again what is implied in the figure of the marriage. When two persons are united in marriage, they become one flesh. This is a mystery. Paul says that it is: "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." This is the thought that is held before us in this figure of marriage. For we twain—ourselves and the flesh—are so completely joined together that we are no longer twain, but one flesh, and our life is just one. Look back over your life and see if there is any time in it where you can see that it has been separated from sin. It has been a life of sin. Sin has ever been a part of your life. We have only one life, and that has been sin. Therefore, so closely have we been united with sin, that there has been only one life between us,—we twain have been one f lesh. Then the only way by which we can get rid of this body of sin,—which is one with us, is to die too. That is how it is that the apostle says,—that we are become dead to the law by the body of Christ. For that union with the flesh was really unlawful, and the law had a claim against us for that union. It will put us to death for that union. We are dead in Christ, and the body of sin dies also. In chapter six we read, "Our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed." Christ in his own flesh bare our sins in his body on the tree. He takes our sins that they may be crucified with him, that the body of sin may be destroyed. We consent to die. We acknowledge that our life is forfeited to the law, and that the law has a just claim upon us. Then we voluntarily give up our lives so that this hated body of sin may die. We loath the union with it so much that we are willing to die in order that it may die too. "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Therefore as we die with Christ, we are raised also with Christ. But Christ is not the minister of sin, so while he will crucify the body of sin, he will not raise it again, and the body of sin is destroyed. Thus we rise, the union between us and Christ complete, that henceforth we should bring forth fruit unto God. "Now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held." What is dead? The body of sin! It was because we were united to that body of sin that the law had somewhat against us. Notice; God does not have any hatred against us. God does not have any desire to punish us, but he cannot endure sin. His law must condemn sin, and since we have identified ourselves with sin, so that we were one with it, in condemning sin, he necessarily condemned us; and so long as we lived a life of sin, that condemnation necessarily rested upon us. But as we have already shown, we have a choice as to when we will die, and we have chosen to voluntarily give up our lives to him, while we can have his life instead. When our lives have been given up to the law, the claim that the law had against us is satisfied, because now, the body of sin being dead, we are delivered from the law, just as the woman whose husband is dead, is loosed from the law of her husband, so that she can be united to another. But the same law that held her to that first husband, unites her to the second. So it is in this case. The same law that bound us to the body of sin, now witnesses to our union with Christ. Rom. 3:21. That perfect law witnesses to the union with Christ, and justifies it. And so long as we remain in Christ, it justifies us in that union, showing that union with Christ is conformity to the law.
 
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I have included the above, and skipped a little, ( can include it next post if anyones interested) to bring some context to the next section below which deals specifically with the passage under present discussion...

In the latter part of the chapter, the apostle shows what that oldness of the letter is from which we must be delivered. "I am carnal, sold under sin." We do great violence to the apostle Paul, that holy man, when we say that in this he is relating his own Christian experience. He is not writing his own experience now that he is united with Christ. He is writing the experience of those who serve, but in the oldness of the letter, and while professedly serving God, are carnal, and sold under sin. A person sold under bondage is a slave. What is the evidence of this slavery? "For what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. . . . For the good that I would, I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Have we ever had any such experience as that in our so-called Christian experience? Yes; we have fought, but with all our fighting, did we keep the law? No, we have made a failure, and it is written upon every page of our lives. It is a constant service, but at the same time it is a constant failure. I fail, I make a new resolution,—I break it, and then I get discouraged, then make another resolution, and break that again. We cannot make ourselves do the thing we want to do by making a resolution. We do not want to sin, but we do sin all the time. We make up our minds we will not fall under that temptation again, and we don’t—till the next time it comes up, and then we fall as before. When in this condition, can we say that we have hope, and that we "rejoice in hope of the glory of God"? We do not hear such testimonies,—it is solely of what we want to do, and what we have failed to do, but intend to do in the future. If a person has the law before him, and acknowledges that it is good, and yet does not keep its precepts, is his sin any less in the sight of God than the sin of the man who cares nothing for the law? No. What is the difference between the would-be Christian, who knows the law, but does not keep it, and the worldling who does not keep the law, and does not acknowledge that it is good? Simply this: We are unwilling slaves, and they are willing slaves. We are all the time distracted and sorrowful, and getting nothing out of life at all, while the worldling does not worry himself in the least. If one is going to sin, is it not better to be the worldling, who does not know that there is such a thing as liberty, than to be the man who knows that there is liberty, but cannot get it? If it has got to be slavery, if we must live in the sins of the world, then it is better to be in the world, partaking of its pleasures, than to be in a miserable bondage, and have no hope of a life to come. But thanks be unto God, we can have liberty. When life becomes unbearable because of the bondage of sin, then it is that we may hope, for that leads to the question, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Mark; there is deliverance. "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Christ came that we might have life. In him is life. He is full of life, and when we are so sick of this body of death, that we are willing to die to get rid of it, then we can yield ourselves to Christ, and die in him; and with us dies the body of death. Then we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, but Christ who is not the minister of sin will not raise up the body of sin; so it is destroyed, and we are free.
 

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that it is us the problem we have free will and we abuse it . the old saying we are what we eat . feed the flesh we get fat.physical and worldly. feed the spirit we get filled no room for anything else.. but spiritual fruit 1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. we are made up of 3 parts spirit and soul and body each one has a function
Hi Ezra,

I don't know about this free will stuff. Doesn't the Bible say that we are slaves to whom we obey?

Would it be fair to say that in this place God is teaching us that the flesh is a slave to sin, and the new creation spirit child of God is a slave to righteousness?

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in our ability to repent to the Father, and apologize to those that we have hurt, and by faith in Jesus make it right eternally.
Hi n2thelight,

I like a lot of what you say. I have a question on this part above. In repentance - metanoia - exchanging for a new mind - and by faith in Jesus to make it right eternally, isn't this what happens when we are born again?

Do we need to, when we sin, seek new forgiveness? Justification?

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Hi Ezra,

I don't know about this free will stuff. Doesn't the Bible say that we are slaves to whom we obey?

Would it be fair to say that in this place God is teaching us that the flesh is a slave to sin, and the new creation spirit child of God is a slave to righteousness?

Much love!
So in that context who is Paul a slave to in Romans 7?
 
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Do we need to, when we sin, seek new forgiveness? Justification?
Forgiveness yes... But I think so long as we are abiding in Christ, we remain justified. Guarding against sin by dying daily... Dying to the old habits which remain, putting them to death by starving them of our time, our attention, and anything else which would tend to feed them.
 

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The question may be if we are going to live as loving people or like beasts? That "beast" within has its urges; and most of them are neither good nor bad by themselves -- but we can satisfy those urges in either good or bad ways. If we do not learn how to control those urges, they will rule over us. We can become slaves to them. The wrong ways of satisfying those urges leads to problems or even disaster. They aren't rational.

Take drugs that get people high for example. Everyone likes to feel happy, and some drugs make people feel happy. Yet the same drugs result in more misery in the end. It's better to find safer (if slower) ways of finding happiness. There's also nothing wrong with food; but there can be if we overindulge. Such urges can damage us and others.

Thus these urges can be irrational at times and in conflict with our minds. We need to learn to do the rational thing.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Hi Giuliano,

That can be a tricky part, understanding which of the body's desires are valid.

I think it was Solomon who penned, blessed are the people who's rulers eat at the right time, and for strength, not drunkenness.

This is what it means to me to "take every thought captive" to obey Christ, that we capture and examine every thought, feeling, desire, whatever, and see if it serves Jesus. Deny it if it doesn't.

Another way I describe this is to watch myself to make sure it's me that has the upper hand in my actions and thoughts, and not my flesh.

You mention "slower" ways for things, I agree, this can be a big problem. I know that in my life! I want quick fixes, but God wants to build a man. If only it didn't take my entire life!

Much love!
 

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I have included the above, and skipped a little, ( can include it next post if anyones interested) to bring some context to the next section below which deals specifically with the passage under present discussion...

In the latter part of the chapter, the apostle shows what that oldness of the letter is from which we must be delivered. "I am carnal, sold under sin." We do great violence to the apostle Paul, that holy man, when we say that in this he is relating his own Christian experience. He is not writing his own experience now that he is united with Christ. He is writing the experience of those who serve, but in the oldness of the letter, and while professedly serving God, are carnal, and sold under sin. A person sold under bondage is a slave. What is the evidence of this slavery? "For what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. . . . For the good that I would, I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Have we ever had any such experience as that in our so-called Christian experience? Yes; we have fought, but with all our fighting, did we keep the law? No, we have made a failure, and it is written upon every page of our lives. It is a constant service, but at the same time it is a constant failure. I fail, I make a new resolution,—I break it, and then I get discouraged, then make another resolution, and break that again. We cannot make ourselves do the thing we want to do by making a resolution. We do not want to sin, but we do sin all the time. We make up our minds we will not fall under that temptation again, and we don’t—till the next time it comes up, and then we fall as before. When in this condition, can we say that we have hope, and that we "rejoice in hope of the glory of God"? We do not hear such testimonies,—it is solely of what we want to do, and what we have failed to do, but intend to do in the future. If a person has the law before him, and acknowledges that it is good, and yet does not keep its precepts, is his sin any less in the sight of God than the sin of the man who cares nothing for the law? No. What is the difference between the would-be Christian, who knows the law, but does not keep it, and the worldling who does not keep the law, and does not acknowledge that it is good? Simply this: We are unwilling slaves, and they are willing slaves. We are all the time distracted and sorrowful, and getting nothing out of life at all, while the worldling does not worry himself in the least. If one is going to sin, is it not better to be the worldling, who does not know that there is such a thing as liberty, than to be the man who knows that there is liberty, but cannot get it? If it has got to be slavery, if we must live in the sins of the world, then it is better to be in the world, partaking of its pleasures, than to be in a miserable bondage, and have no hope of a life to come. But thanks be unto God, we can have liberty. When life becomes unbearable because of the bondage of sin, then it is that we may hope, for that leads to the question, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Mark; there is deliverance. "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Christ came that we might have life. In him is life. He is full of life, and when we are so sick of this body of death, that we are willing to die to get rid of it, then we can yield ourselves to Christ, and die in him; and with us dies the body of death. Then we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, but Christ who is not the minister of sin will not raise up the body of sin; so it is destroyed, and we are free.
Hi brakelite,

So then, the flesh, in your view, will cease to have any influence in the lives of those who have died in Christ? Or am I misunderstanding you?

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Forgiveness yes... But I think so long as we are abiding in Christ, we remain justified. Guarding against sin by dying daily... Dying to the old habits which remain, putting them to death by starving them of our time, our attention, and anything else which would tend to feed them.
Hi brakelite,

I'm wondering, if you are justified, that is, innocent, why do you need forgiveness?

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Guarding against sin by dying daily... Dying to the old habits which remain, putting them to death by starving them of our time, our attention, and anything else which would tend to feed them.
Amen!