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it is not in the bible

1/that Mary was a perpetual virgin.....she was married

2/that Jesus was a perpetual virgin.....He mixed with sinners and prostitutes
 

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it is not in the bible

1/that Mary was a perpetual virgin.....she was married

2/that Jesus was a perpetual virgin.....He mixed with sinners and prostitutes
Perhaps you have misunderstood something here in translation.

"Perpetual" is not the claim or belief.

As for Mary, the Bible is clear in stating that Mary had not been with a man before the birth of Christ. And likewise, after that it is clear, she did.

As for Jesus, the Bible clearly states that "He who knew no sin, became sin" - not being guilty of sin, but taking on the sins of the world.
 

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it is not in the bible

1/that Mary was a perpetual virgin.....she was married

2/that Jesus was a perpetual virgin.....He mixed with sinners and prostitutes

The Bible also never says that Mary was not a perpetual virgin, nor does it say that Jesus was not a perpetual virgin.

Worrying about things that the Bible doesn't say is of far less value than worrying about the things that the Bible does say.
 

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The Bible also never says that Mary was not a perpetual virgin, nor does it say that Jesus was not a perpetual virgin.

Worrying about things that the Bible doesn't say is of far less value than worrying about the things that the Bible does say.
IGod says in His word not to worry 365 times.
 

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Sola scriptura
 

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IGod says in His word not to worry 365 times.

Variations of the phrase "do not worry", "fear not", "be not afraid", and so on, are found 119 times in the Bible. The fact that a meme is popular does not make it true.
 

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it is not in the bible

1/that Mary was a perpetual virgin.....she was married

2/that Jesus was a perpetual virgin.....He mixed with sinners and prostitutes

The scriptures do say that Christ fulfilled the mosaic law perfectly. He was a jew, he lived by jewish law and jewish law forbade fornication. Sex was only permitted between married people. So if Christ was known to be someone who upheld the entire law, then we can be absolutely sure that he did not violate the law on chastity.

As for his mother, the bible tells that us that she had other children. So she obviously had sexual relations with Joseph. Church traditions uphold the 'virgin' belief but its certainly not biblical. Perhaps its seemed romantic and holy to whoever came up with the idea, but its certainly not a teaching inspired by God.
 

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As for his mother, the bible tells that us that she had other children. So she obviously had sexual relations with Joseph. Church traditions uphold the 'virgin' belief but its certainly not biblical. Perhaps its seemed romantic and holy to whoever came up with the idea, but its certainly not a teaching inspired by God.

There is no passage in the entirety of the Bible which states that Mary was not a virgin her entire life. References to Jesus' brothers could be explained as Joseph having children from a previous marriage, the potential use of the Greek word for brothers in reference to cousins, or to the figurative "brothers" of Jesus otherwise known as the Apostles.

Likewise, Matthew states that she did not know Joseph "until" she had borne Jesus. Nowhere does the Bible state that she knew him after, it simply says that she did not know him before.

I think that it is entirely likely that Mary and Joseph lived fully as husband and wife, and most likely had other children, but to claim that a belief such as the perpetual virginity is wrong simply because the Bible doesn't say it is not a very realistic way to approach Biblical theology. There are plenty of things, like the aforementioned virginity of Jesus, that are never stated within the literal words of the Bible, yet are unequivocally true.
 

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The scriptures do say that Christ fulfilled the mosaic law perfectly. He was a jew, he lived by jewish law and jewish law forbade fornication. Sex was only permitted between married people. So if Christ was known to be someone who upheld the entire law, then we can be absolutely sure that he did not violate the law on chastity.

As for his mother, the bible tells that us that she had other children. So she obviously had sexual relations with Joseph. Church traditions uphold the 'virgin' belief but its certainly not biblical. Perhaps its seemed romantic and holy to whoever came up with the idea, but its certainly not a teaching inspired by God.
The scriptures do say that Christ fulfilled the mosaic law perfectly. He was a jew, he lived by jewish law and jewish law forbade fornication. Sex was only permitted between married people. So if Christ was known to be someone who upheld the entire law, then we can be absolutely sure that he did not violate the law on chastity.

As for his mother, the bible tells that us that she had other children. So she obviously had sexual relations with Joseph. Church traditions uphold the 'virgin' belief but its certainly not biblical. Perhaps its seemed romantic and holy to whoever came up with the idea, but its certainly not a teaching inspired by God.
The scriptures do say that Christ fulfilled the mosaic law perfectly. He was a jew, he lived by jewish law and jewish law forbade fornication. Sex was only permitted between married people. So if Christ was known to be someone who upheld the entire law, then we can be absolutely sure that he did not violate the law on chastity.

As for his mother, the bible tells that us that she had other children. So she obviously had sexual relations with Joseph. Church traditions uphold the 'virgin' belief but its certainly not biblical. Perhaps its seemed romantic and holy to whoever came up with the idea, but its certainly not a teaching inspired by God.

the bible certainly does not tell us that she had other children other than Jesus - this is imagined by those who refuse to imagine otherwise - twinc
 

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Variations of the phrase "do not worry", "fear not", "be not afraid", and so on, are found 119 times in the Bible. The fact that a meme is popular does not make it true.
So why would you tell him to worry even if it was only once we are told not to worry?
 

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The scriptures do say that Christ fulfilled the mosaic law perfectly. He was a jew, he lived by jewish law and jewish law forbade fornication. Sex was only permitted between married people. So if Christ was known to be someone who upheld the entire law, then we can be absolutely sure that he did not violate the law on chastity.

As for his mother, the bible tells that us that she had other children. So she obviously had sexual relations with Joseph. Church traditions uphold the 'virgin' belief but its certainly not biblical. Perhaps its seemed romantic and holy to whoever came up with the idea, but its certainly not a teaching inspired by God.

it is not in the bible that Mary, the mother of Jesus, had children other than Jesus - btw Jewish law encouraged marriage but Jesus was not married - jewish law forebade mixing with prostitutes - twinc
 

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So why would you tell him to worry even if it was only once we are told not to worry?

Because when the Bible says not to worry, it is either in reference to earthly things; "don't worry about your next meal", "don't worry about money", and so on, or it is in specific circumstances, such as the Angel telling the Shepherds "do not be afraid".

The Bible never says that you should not worry about Godly things. In fact, it is quite clear that such things are exactly what we should worry about.
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God."
 

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he Bible never says that you should not worry about Godly things. In fact, it is quite clear that such things are exactly what we should worry about.
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God."

And it never said you should. You are going to some lenghth to cover up a silly slip. and that is what the pharises would do also its called religeon.
Prety pathetic.
So obviously you cant be told nothing. It was a silly slip of the tounge finger. and you are going to go to the extrme if nessisery with it. get a grip.
 

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And it never said you should. You are going to some lenghth to cover up a silly slip. and that is what the pharises would do also its called religeon.
Prety pathetic.
So obviously you cant be told nothing. It was a silly slip of the tounge finger. and you are going to go to the extrme if nessisery with it. get a grip.
Not sure that I follow what you are trying to say. The Bible quite clearly does say that we should concern ourselves with Godly matters. I apologize if this is offensive to you, but if it is then your offense should be directed at the author of the Bible.

Your horribly misspelled and poorly worded insults toward me don't change the fact that it is the Word of God which says that you should be concerned with its contents.

P.S., what is a tounge finger? I've never heard of that body part.
 

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So its fun to ridiclue someone who is dislexic?

After all thats what Jesus done?
 

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So its fun to ridiclue someone who is dislexic?

After all thats what Jesus done?
Ahh, I see, so you can throw out all the insults you want, but when someone bites back you get defensive and hide behind a condition that you've never mentioned before and may or may not actually have.

Don't give if you're not willing to take.
 

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Ahh, I see, so you can throw out all the insults you want, but when someone bites back you get defensive and hide behind a condition that you've never mentioned before and may or may not actually have.

Don't give if you're not willing to take.
Now i am a liar? Where did I insult you please quote it?