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Jesus' 1000 year reign

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Wakka, Aug 21, 2007.

  1. verzanumi24

    verzanumi24 Advanced Member

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    Jesus' 1000 year reign... Second ComingI remember hearing this many times. But isn't Jesus going to stay for just a short time to take us home? Someone clear this up for me [​IMG].
    Our home will be this earth....remember Jesus said that the meek will inherit the earth. Jesus will return, then He will set up His kingdom, on the earth, in Jerusalem and His brothers and sisters will rule with Him over the nations. This is when all nations will come and worship before the feet of Jesus and the saints, which means that they are being offered salvation; they have accepted Jesus as there savior and those who rule with Him.
     
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    I'm sure 99% of the people will choose Christ!
    I wish it were the case Wakka, but it won't be the first time our Lord has been right there in front of people's eyes and they still choose not to believe in him. Revelation is very clear about an army being raised at the end of the millennium and it will be quite large - full of those that won't accept Christ. The millennium is a time of teaching that this Earth has never seen before. You can read about it starting at Ezekiel 40 and going to the end of that blessed book. The last verse of the book tells us that God himself will come dwell amongst us here on the Earth and a city - Jerusalem - will be named for him by the name of YHVH Shammah meaning "God dwells there."Ezekiel 48:35
    It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.
     
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    I wish it were the case Wakka, but it won't be the first time our Lord has been right there in front of people's eyes and they still choose not to believe in him. Revelation is very clear about an army being raised at the end of the millennium and it will be quite large - full of those that won't accept Christ. The millennium is a time of teaching that this Earth has never seen before. You can read about it starting at Ezekiel 40 and going to the end of that blessed book. The last verse of the book tells us that God himself will come dwell amongst us here on the Earth and a city - Jerusalem - will be named for him by the name of YHVH Shammah meaning "God dwells there."Ezekiel 48:35
    The Bible says all nations will come and worship before the feet of Jesus; that's certainly more than just a few. of course this is not saying that every single person will be saved, but I believe that the vast majority will be.
     
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    The Bible says all nations will come and worship before the feet of Jesus; that's certainly more than just a few. of course this is not saying that every single person will be saved, but I believe that the vast majority will be.
    The Bible also says every knee will bow when the judgment occurs:Romans 14:10-11
    But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
    All nations will worship Christ regardless of whether or not they'll end up in the lake of fire.Hebrews 10:12-13
    But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    All enemies will be made his footstool, this is a prophecy dating back to Psalms.
     
  5. verzanumi24

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    The Bible also says every knee will bow when the judgment occurs:Romans 14:10-11All nations will worship Christ regardless of whether or not they'll end up in the lake of fire.Hebrews 10:12-13All enemies will be made his footstool, this is a prophecy dating back to Psalms.
    It also shows that many will chose to obey God and go up to Jerusalem to be tought God's ways.Micah 4:2-3 (KJV) 2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:3-4 (KJV) 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. These scriptures may disappoint some of us because deep down we want Jesus to destroy the nations rather than have mercy on them. So many of us lack the mercy of God, for which He has shown to us...as I said before, remember Jonah, who wanted God to destroy the city of Ninevah, but God did not, beacause He loved them just as much as He did Israel.
     
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    Just because Chirsy reigns for the thousand years doesn't mean that Sin will be defeated. Only when the Old is destroied and the New created is when Hell, Death, and Sin will be forever defeated.
     
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    Just because Chirsy reigns for the thousand years doesn't mean that Sin will be defeated. Only when the Old is destroied and the New created is when Hell, Death, and Sin will be forever defeated.
    Some people during that period will still chose to disobey, just as we have some in the Church today, who disobey because they do not seek God's will but there own. But during the millennium out right rebellion will not be tolerated.
     
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    I WISH I KNEW. I speculate that only the father, jesus and the holy ghost know that.
     
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    I WISH I KNEW. I speculate that only the father, jesus and the holy ghost know that.
    If you have a Bible and you are being lead by the Holy Spirit then there should be no reason not to know...it is in the scriptures, search, study and ask for God's guidance.......don't expect the Church to teach you everything.
     
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    II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Call me crazy, but I don't believe that this was meant to be a mathematical equation with which we should rewrite clear scripture. I think that the point is that God is not bound by time. To say that the 1000 millennial period will be a day, I believe would be incorrect.
     
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    II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Call me crazy, but I don't believe that this was meant to be a mathematical equation with which we should rewrite clear scripture. I think that the point is that God is not bound by time. To say that the 1000 millennial period will be a day, I believe would be incorrect.
    I agree with you; that is what I believe it meant when I first read that scripture, many years ago.
     
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    Let me see if I can break this downGod told Adam that in the day that He partook of the tree he,Adam would surely die,question,did Adam die within 24 hrs?I will answer it for you,no he did not,however he did die within that which is a day with the Lord,ie.within that 1000 yrs Since the time that God formed Adam it has been round about 6000 years,or we can say 6 days,on the day that Christ returns it will be the 7th day which will last 1000 years which is known as the millennium.Oh so simple,to me anyway
     
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    who knows=jesus=and he aint telling yet=this stuff will make you koo koo for coa coa puffs=let it go.co co puffs
     
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    The Bible is very clear that death is not restricted to merely the physical death of the body, but the death of the spirit. When Adam and Eve sinned against God, they died that very day spiritually and lost their personal relationship with God. ...*But Jesus said to him, "Follow Me; and allow the dead to bury their own dead." (Matthew 8:22) - (How can physically dead people bury anyone?) *"'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?’ He is not the God of the dead but of the living." (Matthew 22:32) *"But we had to be merry and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found." (Luke 15:32) - (The prodigal son was spiritually dead until he repented) *And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. (Romans 8:10) *And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (Colossians 2:13) *For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. (1 Peter 4:6) *And the Law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 5:20) http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/spiritualdeath.htmlDeath is the result of sin. “For the wages of sin is death,” Romans 6:23a. The whole world is subject to death, because all have sinned. “By one man sin entered the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12). In Genesis 2:17, the Lord warned Adam that the penalty for disobedience would be death—“thou shalt surely die.” When Adam disobeyed, he experienced immediate spiritual death, which caused him to hide “from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden” (Genesis 3:8). Later, Adam experienced physical death (Genesis 5:5).http://www.gotquestions.org/death.htmlDave
     
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    The Bible is very clear that death is not restricted to merely the physical death of the body, but the death of the spirit. When Adam and Eve sinned against God, they died that very day spiritually and lost their personal relationship with God. ...*But Jesus said to him, "Follow Me; and allow the dead to bury their own dead." (Matthew 8:22) - (How can physically dead people bury anyone?) *"'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?’ He is not the God of the dead but of the living." (Matthew 22:32) *"But we had to be merry and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found." (Luke 15:32) - (The prodigal son was spiritually dead until he repented) *And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. (Romans 8:10) *And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (Colossians 2:13) *For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. (1 Peter 4:6) *And the Law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 5:20) http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/spiritualdeath.htmlDeath is the result of sin. “For the wages of sin is death,” Romans 6:23a. The whole world is subject to death, because all have sinned. “By one man sin entered the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12). In Genesis 2:17, the Lord warned Adam that the penalty for disobedience would be death—“thou shalt surely die.” When Adam disobeyed, he experienced immediate spiritual death, which caused him to hide “from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden” (Genesis 3:8). Later, Adam experienced physical death (Genesis 5:5).http://www.gotquestions.org/death.htmlDave
    You know I don't believe that some of the things you mentioned applied to Adam and Eve. Because they did not have the Holy Spirit of God in them; they were offered it, via the tree of life. Had they eaten of the tree of life, then they would truly have life. They would not have taken or even desire to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, because they would now have the Nature of God in them, and that Nature is one that would give them the power to do what is right. I believe that God did not intend for them to get old and die, but to pass from the temporary and limited life, to eternal life, if they had eaten of the tree of life. But since they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would now grow old and die. To me there is something interesting in what God told Adam and Eve...He did not say that they would die that same day, He said that in the day that they eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would surely die. That is what happened, they grew old (it took over 900 hundred years) and died.
     
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    Think of it like this, verzanumi24, it was the knowledge of good and evil that made them accountable before God. In this same way, children are saved under grace. God says children are "innocent, not knowing their right from their left". It is when they grow enought to be able to comprehend what God has already sewn into their hearts that they can willfully (with knowledge of it) rebel in sin against God. Nobody is ever judged by God and sent to hell because of anothers persons sin. All of our sin (deeds) are recorded in the book spoken of in Revelation. They are paid for by Jesus on the cross, or you will pay for them. No sin goes unpunished. All sin is rooted in a willful rejection and rebellion towards God. Until a child (or person) reaches that condition, not age, when they can knowingly, willfully rebel against God, they are called innocent. The Jews believe it was/is an age (13 years old) =...Bar-mitz-va...= (son of the Law). God calls children innocent, not knowing their right from their left. When they first rebel against God willfully in sin, they are put under the Law. The Salvation of Babies Who Die--Part 1http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-242.htmThe Salvation of Babies Who Die--Part 2http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-243.htmIn this same way, during a unique time. Adam and Eve were innocent due to their ignorance in thei knowledge of good and evil. Once they had the knowledge of good and evil, they were accountable before God.It is a difficult topic but the answers are there in scripture, it's just that they are not easily decerned. The studies above helped me to get a better understanding.
     
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    I'm sorry but I disagree with you here as well. The thing is Adam and Eve did not have any knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve was neither righteous nor were they sinners.....they were not perfect nor imperfect.
    Yes, this was what I said. They were innocent because they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil. When they did, they became accountable before God.
     
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    Yes, this was what I said. They were innocent because they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil. When they did, they became accountable before God.
    God drove them out of the garden that He created for them....But despite all of what they have done, He, God that is, have not condemn them. I believe along with the rest of countless others, who have died in sin will be resurrected back to there former state, and salvation will be given to them.
     
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    Then that defeats the purpose of Christ's sacrafice. If we are all given salvation after death no matter of sin or not then what was He doing? Wanted to mingle with us out of bordeom?
     
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