Jesus & Solomon

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The objections and replies below are FYI stuff. Keep them on file just in case
somebody should drive up and ask-- you'll be ready.

Objection #1. Nowhere in the Bible is a bloodline traced through a female.

According to Num 27:1-8 women become the natural default when there are
no men.

Objection #2. The messiah had to be in the bloodline of BOTH David and
Solomon (See 2 Samuel and 2 Chronicles). Luke traces the bloodline through
Nathan, but Nathan was never a king of Israel.

Though Nathan is Jesus' biological link to David; it remains true that only a
descendant of Solomon can inherit the throne. In Jesus' rather unusual
circumstances; Jacob's precedent was just the way to do it.

In the 48th chapter of Genesis, Jacob adopted his own two grandsons
Manasseh and Ephraim; thus instating them positionally equal to his
twelve original sons.

The adoption of his own grandsons had the effect of adding additional
children to Rachel's brood just as effectively as the children born of her maid
Bilhah-- Dan, and Naphtali. Jacob's motive for adopting Joseph's boys was in
sympathy for his deceased wife being cut off during her child bearing years,
which subsequently prevented her from having any more children of her own.
Ephraim and Manasseh bring Rachel's total up to six: two of her own, two by
her maid Bilhah, and two by Joseph's wife Asenath.

This obscure bit of patriarchal prerogative has managed to evade the notice
of modern Jewry as evidenced by their stubborn rejection of Christ as a valid
candidate for David's throne on the basis that the boy didn't descend from
Solomon biologically. By demanding a strictly biological connection to
Solomon, they have effectively locked themselves into perpetual error; and
have impudently, and shamefully, taken it upon themselves to overrule
Jacob's precedent.

Now, fast-forward to the New Testament where the angel of The Lord spoke
to Joseph in a dream and ordered him to share the blame for Mary's out-of-
wedlock pregnancy by taking part in naming the child.

†. Matt 1:21 . . She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the
name Jesus

A child's name in those days wasn't chipped into stone until its biological
father gave his consent. For example; John the Baptist's dad Zacharias was
ordered to give his impending child the name of John.

†. Luke 1:13-14 . .The angel said to him: your wife Elizabeth will bear you a
son, and you shall call his name John.

And later on, "John" wasn't accepted until Zacharias gave his consent.

†. Luke 1:59-63 . . So it was, on the eighth day, that they came to
circumcise the child; and they would have called him by the name of his
father, Zacharias. His mother answered and said: No; he shall be called
John. But they said to her: There is no one among your relatives who is
called by this name. So they made signs to his father-- what he would have
him called. And he asked for a writing tablet, and wrote, saying: His name is
John.

Thus, by participating in the naming of Mary's baby, Joseph as much as
declared he was its biological father.

†. Luke 4:22 . . Isn't this Joseph's son? they asked.

By law; he sure was. Joseph was a fraud, yes, and his reputation was ruined
to boot because by declaring he was the baby's biological father; he as much
as declared that he and its mother slept together out of wedlock. But what
was he to do when that was the way God wanted it? But you see; it was
necessary that Joseph follow Jacob's lead in order to place Mary's baby in
line for Solomon's throne-- it was the only way.

Objection #3. If Mary is the transmitter of the bloodline of David, she could
not give what she didn't possess-- a Y chromosome --so Jesus would have
been a women; if anything.

(chuckle) that is not only a very humorous argument against Jesus' gender;
but also very weak. Don't you see? If humanity's creator could manufacture
an entire human being utilizing nothing but lifeless dust; then how hard could
it possibly be for Him to manufacture a measly little Y chromosome from living
human tissue?

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The mother of a child takes part in the flesh details, not of the bloodline as you said. The bloodline comes from the seed of the father. This is why Jesus could not have a natural father. Our spirit resides in our blood and Jesus would have INHERITED a sin nature do to an unclean spirit or bad blood. That is why we must be born again of the Spirit for the Word is the Seed of God, he is the heir.
1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
KJV

The story of the two sons born to JOSEPH/JESUS while he was sent into Egypt(Gentiles) are a picture of those who are birthed in Christ who are joined to the Jews in the body of Christ to save the people of God. If you remember the sons of Jacob/Israel were born of Jew and Gentile mothers as you pointed out, yet ONE father/Father as in God and so it is in Christ we are being born again of the Promised SEED, God's Seed which is His Word as restored Israel. That is why we are not to pay attention to endless genealogies in Christ for we are all male in the spirit and it is not those of the flesh that are the children of God, but those born of the Spirit of adoption that have been grafted into the Root(Christ) of the olive tree and are now of the commonwealth of Israel.

Jesus like Joseph was sent ahead into the nations to save a people for God. Joseph's coat of many colors that his father gave to him, represents that Jesus whom the Father loved, has appointed him to rule all nations in the end.
His coat splattered with the blood of animals represents how those who are the body of Christ shall be tried and tested by man and tribulations that crucify their flesh man of their animal nature to reveal their new nature. Jacob/Israel thought that his son was dead, but Joseph/Jesus was out restoring things, moving up the ranks as second in command to save Israel/Jacob and his brother's.
Joseph was hated by his brother, just as Jesus was but it was for a reason. If the Jews had all accepted their Messiah at his coming, then the Gentiles would never had a chance to be saved. So we are indebted to the Jews for our chance of salvation.
Another comparison of Jesus and Solomon. Solomon built the temple of God with men's hands. While Jesus IS the temple of God built of men(living stones), by God.
 

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Objection #4. Jesus didn't have a biological father; therefore he wasn't
biologically related to anybody beyond his mother.

You gotta love the logic of that objection-- it's very straightforward and very
simple: however; it's also very easy to debunk just by going back to the
very beginning of humanity.

Eve wasn't created from the dust of the earth as had been Adam. She was
manufactured from a human tissue sample amputated from Adam's own
body. Hence; organically, Eve was just as much Adam as Adam; which is
how humanity's creator was justified in classifying Eve as Adam right along
with classifying Adam as Adam.

†. Gen 5:2 . . Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and
called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

In other words; even though Eve wasn't the product of Adam's sexual activity;
she was nevertheless Adam's biological offspring anyway because her biological
origin was Adam. In point of fact, Adam described her as "flesh of my flesh, and
bone of my bone" (Gen 2:23)

So then, any biological offspring that Eve might produce, whether natural-born
or virgin-born, would be classified as not only as her own biological offspring;
but Adam's too.

Well; unless it can be proven that Jesus' mom popped out of a rock and/or fell
down from Jupiter; then we are pretty much forced to assume she was very
definitely Eve's biological progeny; thus any child Mary might produce, whether
natural-born or virgin-born, would be Eve's biological progeny too; viz: bone of
Eve's bone and flesh of Eve's flesh; ergo: bone of Adam's bone and flesh of
Adam's flesh.

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