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  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".

    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

    Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

    From Genesis to Revelation, the bible has been telling us that the only true God is the Holy Spirit, JESUS, who is Lord.

    some doctrine have person for titles, which make them error in the word of God.

    the True doctrine of God is that he is "a" Spirit. and the Holy Spirit is that Spirit who is JESUS.

    the scriptures don't lie. we as "Diversified Oneness" place the Holy Spirit as First and Last in the Godhead as the bible clearly states. one Person Diversified in flesh which in the OT, the begining, was to come.

    so our doctrine is ONE Person, nunerically shared in flesh, hence the term "OFFSPRING", meaning two. which is the plurality of God, but not in persons, but in Nature. this sharing of oneself in flesh is called "ANOTHER", which the term ADAM means. and Jesus is the LAST "ADAM".

    discussion is open.
     
  2. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    Beginning with Genesis, we see a plurality of persons in the Godhead. Using the Hebrew, the following passages shows this.

    And God (plural) said, Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image (singular), after our (plural) likeness: and let them (plural) have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man (singular) in his own image (singular), in the image (singular) of God (plural) created he him; male and female created he them.” (Genesis 1:26–27) (KJV 1900)
     
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    Let's educated. in Genesis 1:1 there is two letter, not a word, that was not translated, or the translators didn't know how to translate it, is the Aleph and the Tav
    אֵ ת reading let to right. meaning the First and the last, or the begining or the end, or in Greek the Alpha and the Omega. my source http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf

    here is the first mention of the plurality of God. the First is the Spirit, the Last is the Spirit manifested in flesh, hence the us and the our in Genesis 1:26. the flesh was to come. why to redeem man. but it is the Spirit that CREATED, and MADE everything. and the MANIFESTATION of the Spirit in Flesh is John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

    the LORD/Spirit/
    Father is the Aleph/First/Alpha, the אֵ, in Genesis 1:1

    the Lord/spirit/
    Son is the Tav/Last/Omega, the ת, in Genesis 1:1 that is to Come, John 1:1

    so dave your scriptures is in ERROR, and here's why? Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

    he is a single desigination, which was to come, supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come".
    Figure here is the IMAGE of God in Flesh which Adam and Eve are ... ANOTHER. for the TERM "Adam" can be translated as "another.
    H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
    ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
    [from H119]
    KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
    Root(s): H119

    there is the Numerical difference we spoke of, just as the Greek word for another means,
    G243 Allos, "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort"

    a numerical difference is a plurality, meaning more than ONE, but the same sort, or same NATURE. BINGO, "diversified Oneness"

    PICJAG
     
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  4. Dave L

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    One of the most serious problems with your theory occurs in Malachi 3:6 ““For I, the Lord, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.” (Malachi 3:6) (NASB95)

    God does not change. But you say he does. You say God is merely one person who changes roles. This is known as Modalism condemned as heresy by all early church creeds.
     
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    ERROR again, even with the natural mind I can answer that. if I poured water from a pitcher into a glass, is it still water?. did the water change? no it's still water.
     
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    The key to, "Diversified Oneness", which is the true doctrine of the Godhead, is this.

    "ANOTHER", not in persons, but in NATURE. as the equal "share" of oneself, ... in God case, in Flesh. the Manifestation of God/the Spirit in flesh, as a man.
     
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    BEFORE the beginning of Gods creation..we find Gods "ESSENCE", has PLURAL considerations....
    His WILL, His WORD, His POWER....all God, all within God.

    By the time you get though SEPARATING GOD in to PERSONS...you have
    1) Gods WILL;called LORD, Yahweh in Heaven
    2) A Human man; you call Lord, Jesus
    3 Gods Power; the Holy Spirit

    Scripture NEVER calls Jesus A HUMAN MAN.
    HUMAN MeN are CREATIONS of God.
    God did not CREATE Himself out of dust of a created Earth.

    Your dilemma, with your teaching.

    Glory to thee Lord God Almighty,
    Taken
     
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    This is where those who believe in a trinity ERROR at.

    Exhibit A. "Dispensation". #1. God who is the Spirit, and he's Holy, hence Holy Spirit. the Spirit of God is God. just as the spirit of 101G is 101G, not someone else. so when trinitarians say "Father", "Son" and "Holy Ghost", or "Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Son. these are titles of the Holy Spirit, "Father" and "Son". let's see it.

    #2. Holy Spirit as "Father". Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".
    here the term Father indicate that the Holy Spirit "created" all things. not see invisible. Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse".

    alright, God is invisible, is not the Father invisible, and the Holy Spirit invisible? but the Son was made visible, meaning he was invisible also. so in this first Dispensation of creation it was the invisible one who created and made everything. this is the Father, right, scripture, Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

    so that one Father is the one God, right as Malachi 2:10 states. ok who made man? Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

    so it's the Spirit who makes man, he form man from the dust and the breath gives man life. let's see this, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

    so our brother Job was RIGHT, and it was the Spirit that made him. and the maker is the "Father". so the first person in the doctrine of the trinity is the Last Person in the trinity, according to the bible, the same Spirit. meaning ONE PERSON.

    Exhibit B. "Dispensation". #2. we will make it short and to the point for the sake of space and character letters amount in a single post. but it can be discussed fully in other posts.

    #3. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
    John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

    notice the term "Another" in verse 16. it is the Greek word G243 Allos. there is our plurality of God.

    Jesus said, now Glorified, "I will come to you". how plain can one get. JESUS is that "Another" Comforter. how do we know that? the term "Comforter" is
    G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
    1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
    2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
    3. a comforter.
    [(not given)]
    KJV: advocate, comforter
    Root(s): G3844, G2822

    Comforter also means "Advocate", let's see it clearly. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous".

    here "advocate" is G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
    the advocat is in "GLORIFIED" flesh and bone, no "blood". and as Father, without flesh, bone, and blood. that's why he, Jesus, said, in verse 23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him". we is the "Father" and the "Son" who is the "HOLY SPIRIT"

    the SAME ONE PERSON from the begining/the Aleph (Father) to the Tav/End (son). the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the one and only TRUE God the "HOLY SPIRIT".

    PICJAG.
     
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  9. Dave L

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    You still have several insurmountable problems. Not only in scripture, but in the way God defines love as an interaction between persons. So if only one person exists in God, God is not love.
     
  10. Dave L

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    A Father changing into a Son is not the same role.
     
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    God . Yes God...
    His WILL, His WORD, His POWER...came forth out from Him, and CREATED..and MADE..
    A Celestial Habitat and A Terrestrial Habitat.
    And MADE those Habitats able to sustain.....
    ....the existance of the BODIES to be the inhabitants of those Habitats.
    And then Created Celestial Bodies to inhabit their Celestial Habitat.
    And then Created Terrestrial Bodies to inhabit their Terrestrial Habitat.

    Amen. Nothing was created or made...without Gods WILL, Gods WORD, Gods POWER.

    Jesus revealed LOOKING AT HIM, a man was SEEING the Father.

    John 14 [7] my Father ...from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    Scripture reveals the WORD of God is called, Jesus, is called God.
    John 1

    Scripture reveals the POWER of God is called,
    Christ.

    1 Cor 1
    [24] ...Christ the power of God...

    ONE GOD...WORD, WILL, POWER.
    CALLED......^Lord...^God..^Almighty

    (Not TWO People called Father and Holy Spirit and ONE Person called Son, a Human man) !!!
    As many men teach....^^^

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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  12. Dave L

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    How do you explain the plural use of God in Genesis? "Let us" occurs in creation and at Babel.
     
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    LOL, U are ?????? my my my
     
  14. Dave L

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    The plurality of God in the OT proves your theory wrong from the start. From Genesis on.
     
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    CHANGE? who said that? U, Read post #8... (smile).
     
  16. Dave L

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    “For I am the Lord, I change not; Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” (Malachi 3:6) (KJV 1900)

    But you say the Father changes into the Son, and the Son into the Holy Spirit.
     
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    God is a Spirit, a "HOLY" Spirit.... :p and his two titles come from his appellation. listen, Holy is his character, and Spirit is his nature.

    character, is called "Son", see, G5207, huios, Hebrews 1:3

    Spirit, is Called "Father", see, G3962, pater, John 4:24a

    hence the titles "Holy" is his character, "Spirit" is his Nature,

    man, this is too easy to understand. see dave, NO CHANGE the SAME PERSON. ... :D

    PICJAG
     
  18. Dave L

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    It is a change in roles. But God says; “For I am the Lord, I change not; Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” (Malachi 3:6) (KJV 1900)
     
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    ERROR, an addition in TITLE? .... :eek: LOL.

    I notice you have nothing to say, but what other men you read about say.

    the scriptures are true, Isaiah 29:13 "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:


    dave you, U have nothing.
    PICJAG
     
  20. Dave L

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    If the Father changes into the Son and so forth, you contradict Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I change not; Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” (Malachi 3:6) (KJV 1900)

    “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” (James 1:17) (KJV 1900)

    “But thou art the same, And thy years shall have no end.” (Psalm 102:27) (KJV 1900)
     
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