Have either of you read Maria Valtorta's writings, and researched the arguments of both her critics and supporters, as I have? Or, have you just automatically believed and/or copied/pasted the arguments of her critics, without also reading her writings and arguments of supporters?
I'm seriously asking, because a couple years ago, on this forum actually, a member who, despite being unfamiliar with Maria Valtorta and her writings, copied/pasted the arguments of a critic of hers. Their source summarized various paragraphs from some of Maria's writings, then criticized them and her harshly.
I read each summary, and since I had read the paragraphs in the Work, I knew the source was lying about them. Even if I hadn't already been familiar, on this source's site, below each summary was a link to the paragraph location in the book, so people could verify! I showed this other forum member what their source was claiming the paragraphs said and what they actually said in the book, then admonished them and their source for their laziness and dishonesty. They never replied.
It was then I decided to not waste my time defending Maria Valtorta against the lazy and dishonest. So, if after this you claim as fact your belief Jesus didn't really speak to Maria Valtorta, and you want me to address your arguments, then you must (i) speak charitably towards me and about Maria Valtorta, regardless of your opinion of the Work, (ii) be well familiarized with Maria Valtorta, her writings (there's at least 10 books, I own them all), and the arguments of both her critics and supporters, and (iii) have fact checked all your sources. Otherwise, please keep your belief as just that.
Regarding the OP, your attempts to discredit it have been unsuccessful, at least to me, because I see how you're both reading into something that's not there. Your first problem is going into reading the OP having already concluded it's not Jesus speaking, and thus you're expecting to find errors, and so your focus becomes finding errors. That's why @keithr jumped on the sentence about reason that included the word ''evolution'' and assumed it had to be about humans achieving reason from evolution itself, rather than God. However, that's clearly not what Jesus said, rather that we begin to use the reason God gave us at a certain stage in our human development. It's why you don't see babies reasoning the way older children or adults do, for example. As for you, @Behold, you jumped on the sentence about Jesus explaining the reason His apostles and disciples worked miracles, etc, is because they possessed God's Grace, calling it "demonic spiritualism," even though Jesus said, "Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I am going to the Father'' (Jn. 14:12). How else would they have worked God's power if not by possessing His Grace, which is His power, in addition to His Grace being many other things as well?
Lastly, I advise and applaud discernment, but without prejudgement, of anyone claiming to have received dictations from Jesus, or any other heavenly person, because there are those who falsely believe/claim they're receiving dictations from heavenly persons. I understand it feels safer to only read the Bible, and if you do that's fine, but if we limit the eternal voice of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to one book, the Bible, we miss out on other good spiritual helps from Him.
We have the tools to help us discern who are of God and satan. Jesus also says, "We shall know them by their fruits'' (Matt. 7:16). Maria Valtorta died in 1961, but from 1943-1950, she faithfully served Jesus by writing down all He told her to during those few years, for the world. Her Work is good fruit. Jesus elaborated on much of what we read in the Bible and spoke about many things not covered in it. It doesn't mean the Bible is insufficient, but no one book could cover all there is to know.
From her writings, you indirectly learn about Jesus's and the apostle's, etc, looks and personalities, as well. For example, Jesus would show Maria scenes in full from His life on earth, beginning with His Mother's Mary's birth, and after His Asecnsion, etc, many that we read about in the Bible, so it was like she was there in the moment thousands of years ago. Afterward, she described the scene, all she saw, heard, and smelled, etc, in full, with Jesus's help. It's so well done it could only be divinely guided when you read it, it's like you're there too.
Peter, for example, was funny when mad haha, stubborn, hardworking, well meaning, couldn't stand his mother-in-law haha, and when he would behave uncharitably, Jesus was severe with him about it, but loving. Peter and his wife, Porphirea, wished they had children, so Jesus said they could adopt a boy disciple of His named, Marjiam. Marjiam later became Saint Martial (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09721c.htm).
Andrew, Peter's brother, was quiet, shy, and caring. Peter and Andrew would tease eachother about the other's personality sometimes, which is funny banter to read haha.
Jesus spoke to the crowds a lot, so when He wasn't, He was often quiet and/or in prayer, but he has a good sense of humor. He would say funny one liners sometimes, and in one scene I read, Peter said something that made Jesus let out a short but loud laugh. He's tall, light haired, fair skinned, with beautiful blue eyes. He always stood out among people. His Mother, Mary, is the same, but shorter.
Maria even wrote about things that weren't even discovered and proven to be true until after her death.
Anyway, there's a lot to share, it's such a gift :]
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