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  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Curiosity question......

    Why does the majority of the world think that the Jew's are God's chosen people?For those of you here that think that,please read the following.......

    Behold the International Jew!

    In dealing with any controversial subject such as International Judaism and its Satanic offspring Zionism and Communism, it is often difficult to get a message of warning across to those who are in the most immediate danger. This is due to the fact that the Christian world has become so "brainwashed" in the "Liberal mind detergent" of Zionist propaganda, that immediately, when one speaks of a Jew in any but the most complimentary of terms, he is saddled with the horrible accusation of being an "anti-Semite." This has stifled honest discussion of this tremendous problem.

    This book has been written specifically to Christians who have been mis-led by their church leaders, into believing that the Jews of today are the Chosen People of the Old Testament and that they must be afforded only the most courteous treatment, no matter what evil they may do; to do less, will cause the curse of God to descend on this country, or so their religious leaders aver. The Scripture used to back this contention is found in Genesis 12:3 and contains God's blessing to Abraham: "I will bless them that bless thee; and curse him that curseth thee." They are very careful not to tell their parishioners that Abraham was a Hebrew, not a Jew and that there were no people known as Jews on the Bible scene, until 2 Kings 16:6, about 1200 years after the time of Abraham, and here we find them fighting against Israel.

    The contention that God has blessed America because we have been kind to the Jews, is a falsehood, easily proven so. There has been no time in America's history, when this country has gone down hill faster, in every facet of our national life - economically, politically, militarily and spiritually - than in the years since 1948, when we first recognized the right of International Zionism to steal the land of Palestine from it's rightful owners, and establish a Jewish State on this stolen ground.

    It is quite possible that we are seeing the culmination of a curse men mentioned in 2 Chronicles 19:2, which is never quoted by our ministers. It says: "Shouldest thou help the un-Godly? and love them that hate the Lord; therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord."

    Today we see good Christians, as they deny the truth spoken by the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 5:11, when he said: ". . . have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (expose)."

    1 John 2:23, 23 tells Christians who the anti-Christ is. It is anyone who denies Jesus Christ. This person cannot have the Father. Then in 2 John 10, 11, John specifically warns Christians to have nothing whatsoever to do with these anti-Christs, for if they do they become "par-takers in their evil deeds." This argument from the Scriptures should pretty well cover the attitude of any honest Christian who believes the Bible, yet who wants to fellowship with Jews.

    Jesus was much more specific and vehement in His accusations against the Pharisees than I have ever dared to be. He said of them in John 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. Re was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him..." Then to put a finishing touch on His condemnation, He said as recorded in John 10:26 - "But ye (Jews) believe not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP . . ." (Emphasis mine.) How much more specific can anyone be? I realize that theologians will try and explain away this denunciation, yet there it stands for any intelligent person to read.

    Many times in approaching this International problem, we make the mistake of going to the opponents of the Jews for our quotations; men like Adolf Hitler and his MEIN KAMPF and Martin Luther and his JEWS AND THEIR LIES. So what I have attempted to do in this little book is let the avowed enemy of Christianity speak for themselves.

    The first part of this book titled THE OPPOSITION - will give you some thoughts of famous people who have worked with the Jews, saw the danger in International Zionism and tried to warn their people about it. But the greater part of this book will be taken up with quotations from famous Jewish leaders - Rabbis, politicians, authors - as they tell the gentile world, in their own words, what they intend to do.

    The inspiration for this book comes from a mimeographed manuscript which I received in the mail several months ago titled THE PATTERN OF THE PLAN. There was no author given and apparently no copyright. The original manuscript was completed in June 1967. I was so intrigued with the documentation and presentation of this vital material, that I contacted the author - who wishes to remain anonymous and received his permission to quote from this manuscript.

    A great deal of this book will be taken, at least in part, from this material.

    You can read the rest here

  2. rjp34652@yahoo.com

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    Why? Because God said so. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

    For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth.
    Deu 14:2
    This statement is absurd and insulting in it's moronic accusations. How could Abraham be the son of a man who was his great grandson?

    Jews are related to Judah, son of Jacob, son of Isaac the son of Abraham. Judah was the great grandson of Abraham.

    All Jews are Hebrews, but not all Hebrews are Jews.

    The Jews fought against Israel after the Kingdom had been divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south. Nevertheless they were all Hebrew.
    It's like saying that the Army of Northern Virginia wasn't American because they fought against the Army of the Potomac. Ridiculous.

    Wrong again, Sherlock.

    The post WWII period from 1945 to January of 1961 was a period of unprecedented prosperity for the united States. It had nothing at all to do with Israel, the crowd camped out on the Gaza Strip or even American arrogance (which began swelling like a cancer during those years).

    It had everything to do with the fact that American factories and it's transportation infrastructure were intact. After WWII America was the only nation capable of producing and distributing consumer goods. The world HAD to buy American by default.

    The decline in the fortunes of America began in January of 1961 when President Eisenhower warned the American people against the dangers of the military industrial complex. The president's warning echoed a legion of preachers who warned against American arrogance, pride and passive indifference toward God. The warnings went unheeded and God's judgment began in earnest. On September 16, 1985 the uS Commerce Dept. stated that America had become a debtor nation. Our decline has accelerated since that time. Today it has become so rapid and pronounced that it doesn't take a college professor to see what's going on and what end is in sight.

    It has nothing at all to do with Israel or even Islam. It has everything to do with our collective guilt before the Almighty and NO ONE is doing anything to stop it. We merely sit, and watch and wait for the end of the process.

    America and the American dream is dead. It's carcass is literally being torn apart piece by piece as the vultures of Wall Street and the Pentagon feed on the bones of it's dying economy and brain dead citizens. As I write the Pentagon is no longer under civilian control and Congress, now guided by the demands of financiers rather than voters, rubber stamps ANY AMOUNT of money the feeding frenzy requires.

    It is more likely that the inspiration for your anti-semitic Jew hating attitude is satan by means of the extrapolated lies of the American NAZI party and extremist groups of radical international Islam.

    Did it ever occur to you that the mail you received had no author and no copyright because it had been written by cowards who were afraid to stand up for their own words?

    Every word you wrote can be proven to be a lie and that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
    The same is true for all who wish to trade on the tension between Israelis and Palestinians and who work to disrupt their efforts to live side by side in peace.

    There is Biblical authority and justification for Palestinians and Israelis to share the land, but it does not apply to those who wish to divide by means of hate.
    To those persons there remains only one caution;

    Beware Balaam's curse.

    Today Israel, not America, is the hope of the world. The Jew continues to be a blessing to the world, as God promised.

    What will you say and do when ONE JEW ascends to the throne of world government?
    That would be Jesus if you haven't figured it out by now and His arrival is imminent......or so I've been told.
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  3. TheWarIs1

    TheWarIs1 New Member

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    You didn't really prove a point. The name Jew is not in the scripture you provided and your confusion like that of many others today is based merely on the definition of the word "Jew" as it has been falsely taught.

    Hebrews were not Jews.
    Judah was not Jews.

    God has allowed this great misconception to circulate to show who has been reading and paying attention.

    The statement is anything but absurb and insulting except to those who are misguided and maybe Jewish. Jews are not related to Judah and which can be proven via scripture.

    The Jews were taken off to Babylon while Edomites filled the land of Hebron and Judea.
    Christ called the people in power there "generations of vipers", literally Offspring of serpents.
    He said they were of THEIR Father , the Father of lies who was a murderer from the beginning.

    Open your eyes and read scriptures.

    Wrong again Sherlock?
    Maybe you are wrong.
    No there is no maybe you and many others are bad wrong.

    Christ said the Pharasees and Scribes and those who sought to kill him, did kill and have fought against Christianity for 2000 years were responsible for killing ALL the prophets going back to Abel the first prophet.
    Christ never said these people were of Judah nor did he have anything good to say about them. Christ later told Paul to get out of Jerusalem because .....

    Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;
    Act 22:18 And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me.

    WEll now his sheep hear his voice and they follow him.
    According to Christ they are literal sons of the Father of Lies and you believe them?
    They even murdered Christ and you believe them? Many Jews today boast that they would kill him all over again and you believe them?
    Shame on you.

    You have accepted the Jewish shaming language full tilt.

    You have been brainwashed by those who seek to rule and destroy our christian culture..

    I'm sickened to death by Christians defending the evil people that murdered Christ and shame others for speaking the truth. You need to wake up. You need to pray that the Lord open your eyes. For the Father of lies has decieved you like many Chrsitians today and just like Paul and others who accepted Judaism long ago.

    n2thelight has made a good post and you jump on him.

    Who told you Jews were of Judah?
    The scriptures does not. no where,. ever.
    Sure you will throw the "King of JEWs" line at me.
    The word should be Judeans(Search it) before you tell that lie.

    From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (Wrong)(-ess), of Juda.

    for even scholars of long ago accepted the false hoods and perpetuated the lies of Satan.

    Iouda-ias = Juda-ean
    A Jew is not a Judean

    Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:

    I can't believe you would berate this brother and in pure ignorance.

    How are the Jews a blessing to the world?
    Israel depends on money ransomed from the USA and Germany to survive.

    Jews have done nothing to bless my world and in fact they kill our messiah.
    I suppose that is a blessing to you?

    Now Israel is suppose to be a light unto the world.
    Yet they are mostly anti-christ.

    Oh my how you swallowed the bait, hook , sinker and 10 feet of line.
    You strain at a gnat and swallowed a camel. Satan has fooled a many people like you and I believed these lies when I was young.

    I'm embarrassed for Christians still doing more than spreading these lies but go beyond and using the Jewish shaming tactics of anti-semitism haters of Jews.
    My you are fast asleep.

    The first mention of Jew is found in the 12th scripture of the bible... ~2 Kings 16

    Notice there in the beginning that Ahaz a son of David ruled Jerusalem and Judea for 16 years.
    Meanwhile the JEWS for the first time are mentioned and they were living in Elath on the southern tip of EDOM on the Red Sea.

    Everyone notice that these were two distinct groups of people.
    This is proof that should rattle you and open your eyes. If you can't see that it is plainly two different people then... You shall remain ignorant

    You now have the opportunity to see how blind you are and to begin opening your eyes to biblical facts. And feel free to apologize to the OP of this thread.

    The old Jewish encyclopedia said that JEWs were of Edom. And it wasn't no lie.
    Yes they fulfill only the prophecies of Esau who vowed to kill Jacob(Seed of Christ) and steal back the inheritance, And they have succeeded.
    They also fulfill Rev 2:9 & 3:9
    Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews(Should be Judeans), and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Synagogues are of Jews only, the fakes Judeans..

    Wikipedia says that Edomites moved to Hebron in Judea when Judeans were snatched up an taken to Babylon and these Edomites helped plunder Jerusalem.
    They lived there and these descendants of Esau have pretended to be Judah and mislead the world.
    God allowed this deception to see who is awake and he is being a Berean most likely.
    Had to have the Adversary.

    King Herod the Idumean was related to these Edomite Jews.
    They have always been an enemy of Christ.

    The book of Macrabees for into more detail of the Judeans under John Hyrcanus fighting Jews and he made a big mistake and started converting them to his religion.
    They infiltrated and took over with the help of Herod the Idumean.
    Read all about it.

    the Jews at that time told Christ they had never been in bondage to no man.
    Everyone knows Hebrews were enslaved for about 400 years.
    Certainly if they were really Hebrew of Judah they would have known their history.
    John 8:33

    Its gonna get really ugly if you start throwing your demonic shaming language at me and continue to defend the enemies of Christ and the gospel without taking notice of the truth of the scriptures I provided you.
    They is no debate here. You either wake up or you don't.

    I bid you peace for now


  4. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    Israel is back to stay and to declare that we are living in THE LAST generation.

    Amos 9:15 (ESV)
    [sup]15 [/sup]I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.
  5. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    And let us not forget that Jesus Himself was King of the Jews. So then, Jew haters hate Jesus.

    Luke 23:3 (NKJV)
    [sup]3 [/sup]Then Pilate asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered him and said, "It is as you say."
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    Incorrect, db, Pilate said Christ was the King of the Jews, not Christ. The words "it is as," are not in the text.

    Luk 23:3 And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou (G4771) sayest it.

    The personal pronoun of the second person singular; thou: - thou

    Christ did not limit His Kingdom to just the "Jews."

    And as was said earlier, not all people that call themselves "Jews" are of our brother, "Judah." The name "Jew" also denotes those that live in the land of Judea.
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  7. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    I didn't mean to imply that He did, even though the Nation of Israel was God's only chosen in the OT, except for a few who joined Israel. No other nation.
    I'm not sure what your point is. There are Jews scattered over the world.

    Matthew 1:1-2 (NKJV)
    [sup]1 [/sup]The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: [sup]2 [/sup]Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers.

    Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
    [sup]2 [/sup]saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."

  8. TheWarIs1

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    Jews were not the Judeans

    king of the Jews should have been written King of the Judeans

    Ioudaios =- Juda- ios
    ios = pertaining to

    From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.

    Jew should not be in the definition.

    2nd Kings 16 proves they were two distinct peoples.
  9. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    Nearly all of our English translations say you are wrong.

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    australia New Member

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    'Jew' or 'Jews'




    Patronymic from H3063; a Jehudite (that is, Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (that is, Judah): - Jew.
  11. TheWarIs1

    TheWarIs1 New Member

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    They don't say that at all.
    That is how you misread them and how false teachers have read them for years.

    You peoples reading comprehension is poor.

    I already wrote that the word Jew was listed falsely in strong concordance and it shouldn't be there.
    That is one reason why the whole world had been deceived.
    Rev 12:9
  12. TheWarIs1

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    Round and round with you Duckbill.

    Temani is a Jewish name

    From WIKI on TEMAN

    Teman (Hebrew: תמין‎‎), was the name of an Edomite clan and of its eponym, according to the Bible[1] and an ancient biblical town of Arabia Petraea. The term is also traditionally applied to Yemenite Jews. from YEMEN

    Gen 36:10 These are the names of Esau's sons; Eliphaz the son of Adah the wife of Esau, Reuel the son of Bashemath the wife of Esau.
    Gen 36:11 And the sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, and Gatam, and Kenaz.

    JEWs have infiltrated Judea and called themselves Judeans and confused the meaning.
    The proof is in scripture. I have posted it for you but you still post falsehoods which are taught all over the world.

    I don't know how to help you see the truth lest God awakens you.
    You don't have eyes to see and don't believe the words of Christ?
    Christ called the Jewish Scribes and Pharasees, generations of Vipers, Literally OFFSPRING of Serpents.
    Would Christ be in that lineage? NO
    Was Christ Father the father of all lies and a murderer from the beginning?
    NO, but that is who the Jews were of.

    Christ said that they had killed ALL the prophet going all the way back to Abel, the first prophet God sent.

    The Jews did not ever know that the Hebrews had been enslaved for about 400 years for they told Christ that they had not been in bondage to no man.
    I've give you plenty of evidence but your refuse to see and examine the facts.

    Under the History category it tells how the Edmoites moved to Hebron when Judea was taken captive to Bablyon. They helped plunder Judea.
    Edomites were of Esau. The cursed lineage.

    You need to go examine the prophecy of Esau and his vow to kill his brother Jacob in order to steal his inheritance back.
    That is exactly what the JEWs have done. They falsely claimed to be Israel and have taken the land.
  13. tomwebster

    tomwebster New Member

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    TheWarIs1, or whatever your name/s are, You must be using a mirror.
  14. australia

    australia New Member

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    If you wrote that, it wasn't in this thread, so why tell me my reading comprehension is poor?


    Why do you say the scribes were Jewish?
  15. TheWarIs1

    TheWarIs1 New Member

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    According to Mathew 16:21 and other verses, the elders, scribes and chief priest were in Jerusalem and Christ had the suffer because of them.
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    I would say that Jesus Christ had to die because of the sin of man ? it does not matter who killed him so much but why they did and it has nothing to do with someone being of Jewish blood at all, but the sin of people is the center of it all.

    I don't care what race anyone is at all and nor does Christ we are all one people and God owns us all ? but some do not want to know the truth of it. anyone who looks up to a Jew as some thing more than anyone other is guilty of idolatry.

    Israel is the name for Gods people end of story regard less of race and Israel is the inheritance of Christianity.

    The country they call Israel is not Israel at all and the Israelites were only calling them self's the tribe of Israel and that does not mean that all of the tribe were Israel as only some have that honer and it is God that is the final say on that not people.

    I think all who har about the 2ed coming is just man made ignorance as no one will know when he comes but will most likely be deceived.
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  17. Duckybill

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    Mark 15:2 (NKJV)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Then Pilate asked Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered and said to him, "It is as you say."

    Mark 15:2 (GW)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, I am,” Jesus answered him.

    Mark 15:2 (AMP)
    [sup]2 [/sup]And Pilate inquired of Him, Are You the King of the Jews? And He replied, It is as you say.

    Mark 15:2 (NASB)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And He *answered him, "It is as you say."

    Mark 15:2 (NIV)
    [sup]2 [/sup]"Are you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate. "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

    Mark 15:2 (MontgomeryNT)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Pilate questioned him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" In reply Jesus said, "It is as you say."

    Mark 15:2 (MaceNT)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Pilate therefore ask'd him, art thou the king of the Jews? and he made answer, yes.

    Mark 15:2 (NLT)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Pilate asked Jesus, “Are you the king of the Jews?” Jesus replied, “You have said it.”

    Mark 15:2 (TLB)
    [sup]2 [/sup]Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" "Yes," Jesus replied, "it is as you say."

    Mark 15:2 (WEY)
    [sup]2 [/sup]So Pilate questioned Him. "Are you the King of the Jews?" he asked. "I am," replied Jesus.
  18. lawrance

    lawrance New Member

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    THEWARIS1 you have on this p 12. they claimed to be Israel and have taken the land ?

    If we look to Matthew 21: we see that the Vineyard is to be given over to other tenants (husbandmen)
    And that is what happened why because of sinful men leading true Israel down the drain all the work of the Devil !
    The Jews lost there inheritance because of there sin, they strayed from the true path of "Israel" and that is why.
    A Jew is just someone who has not become an "Israel" the average Jew has not attended to that position by berth right or linage "it is a spiritual awakening" in the true God.
  19. Arnie Manitoba

    Arnie Manitoba Well-Known Member

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    There are plenty of unfulfilled Old testament prophecies that speaks of future favorable events for Israel. The Nation in the Middle East.

    Careful reading reveals that God does it for His own reasons , not because Israel necessarily deserves it.

    God will not break his covenant with Israel , just as he will not break his covenant with the christian.

    These facts are sure to upset some people, because they think the sun shines on them alone, to the exclusion of all others.,
  20. lawrance

    lawrance New Member

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    How can God break his convenient with Israel ? when Israel is "the people of God" and Israel is true God of Christianity, the two are one.

    The light is only in the people of the God of Israel, through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior and there is no true light in any other because there is no darkness at all in Christ.

    Israel deserves all of Gods blessings.
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