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Joel: Locust Army

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    Joel's prophecy is undated. No references are made to time, because it is written to the people who live in "The time of the End" or "To our generation," people that were born following the return of the Jews to Palestine, and the establishment of the tiny nation of "Israel". Joel addresses the events that will usher in "The day of the Lord." That day is at the Seventh Trump, and on that day, Jesus our Lord will come to earth and establish His world wide Kingdom, which will have no end.Hosea was sent to prophecy to the Northern Kingdom, those who had turned to idolatry. Hosea's message was, that God would divorce them, and scatter them. However in the end times God would bring them back to Him. The Northern Kingdom, The House of Israel as it is called, was scattered and broken, and now through the gospel of Christ, is drawn back to Him.Joel's prophecy is sent to "The House of Israel" and her sister nation, The House of Judah. It was written in the last seven years of Judah, before the captivity. This covers the last Seven years of King Zedekiah's reign; that would make it 100 years after Isaiah, and the first year of Ezekiel's prophecy, was written for our generation.Joel 1:1 "The word of the Lord that came to Joel the son of Pehuel.""The word of the Lord: is the Lord "Jehovah" that speaks here, and the message is for you and I today by Joel's pen; It is important that "The Son of Pethuel" is given, because it distinguishes Joel the author of this book, from all other Joel's that are given in the Bible.Joel 1:2-3 "Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days or even in the days of your fathers? 3 Tell ye your children of it and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.Joel is calling all of us to listen and pay attention. This message is something to learn and know, and sharpen your memories to retain it. In verse 3 we are told this is to be a story of tradition that must be passed on from generation to generation until it reaches that final generation. Our Generation!Joel 1:4 "That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpillar eaten."The term "That which" refers to a warning that Moses gave in Deuteronomy 28:38, this warning to us, and to them, was that if they or we continued in Idolatry, God would see to it that though the harvest was good, others would steal and take it away by other means, the fruits of their or our labor. Joel is referring to the same warning here for the end times, using symbolism. The method of the destruction, and how it will talk place. Their will be a time when truth will not exist in the world, except in the minds of God's elect. It is called a time of deception or "The great Tribulation." This is another warning like in Noah's time just before the flood.Verse 4 is a time when the whole world believes in the Antichrist (Satan). This deception will come in the four stages of the Locust. The Palmerworm, are the gnawers who prepare the way for the Locust. The First stage. Is now in process, they are forcing us into the One World SystemThe second stage is the arrival of the Locust, the fallen Angels.Their message is just as it was in the garden of Eden. Satan's Angles having sex with the daughters of mankind. They will claim Love, peace, and brother hood. See (Rev. 9) They will come in great numbers, and mingle with people here on earth. "The Cankerworm feeds off of the Locust",The last two stages are the locust Army. It will come when the fallen angels are on earth. These angels will intermingle with all of mankind around the earth. These spiritual beings will appear to be human beings in form, similar to those recorded in Genesis 6. Their message will be taught by most ministers, priests and religious leaders of all faiths. These religious leaders will promote Satan as their Messiah. These religious leaders will set the stage that Joel calls the canker worm. Their messages will be to defend sodomy, teach ecology, psychology and many other worldly causes. This will cause a void in the teaching of God's Word. This symbolizes the perverting and destroying the truth in God's Word. God's House is a house of Prayer. It is not an entertainment center, fund raising or a place for social functions. Pastor's and teachers are warned about perverting God's word. Following these four stages, the Lord God Almighty will come with His vengeance on the Kenites, false teachers, and prophets.Joel 1:5 "Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your months."The wine in Hebrew is "Yayin", or "Yayan". It's bad wine, common and made from any root or plant you can get your hands on. In the spiritual sense, it makes you intoxicated or drunk and out of mental control.The "New wine" is derived from the Hebrew word "Asaia", which is to dread. It's a new and sweet wine from a vintage year. This wine is held out by God to be given as a blessing conferred or given by God.We are talking about the fact that God is calling out to His people in this last generation (us), to wake up and be seal in your mind's with the truth of His Word. The "New Wine" is the truth about Christ and Antichrist which is about to be cut off from your (our) mouth. We see today laws and rules governing restrictions of what we can say, and how these laws are tightening as a loose. Truth is drying up daily, and today most churches turn their backs on God's warnings. These warnings are not for Joel's day, but for our day. (Joel 1:6) "For a nation is come up upon My land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.""My land" is Jerusalem, and the small nation which is in Israel. Remember Joel is speaking to a final generation of the House of Judah, and To the Israel Nation of today in Palestine.Part of this is History to all of us today in the 1990's. The Arab world has made 3 attempts to devourer Israel. We are referring to a different time in our very near future; To a time covered in Revelation 9 when Satan, and an uncountable number of his angelic followers will cover the earth appearing as kind, upright men, but are out to deceive the entire earth and bring everything into Satan's control.Revelations 9:7-8 "And the Shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crown like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men." 8 "And they had hair as the hair of women and their teeth were as the teeth of lions."These locusts are fallen angels coming back to earth, and they are going to look just like men for that is what the image of Angels are. The "Hair of women: refers to their great beauty; however their "Teeth of Lions" are the lies and deceptions coming forth from their mouth. They will not be only after your physical body (your flesh) but your very soul. Jesus said without the seal, or knowledge of Christ and the Antichrists in your mind, you will be taken instantly upon Antichrist's arrival.Joel 1:7 "He hath laid My vine waste, and barked My fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches there of are made white."Jesus said to "Know the parable of the Fig tree" So that we would not be deceived.Parable of the Fig Treehttp://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...tudy-t2808.html
     
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    Pro 30:27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;Notice they have no king as of yet (that is until Rev9:11)Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.Apollyon and Abaddon are other names for Satan.. The fifth trump is covered in Rev. 9 & 12 this is where the Locusts Army receive their KingRev.12 7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. At this time Satan is given the key to the Abyss (bottomless pit) where he releases his fallen Angels his Locust Army 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. The Accuser is Satan this is what he does day and night Accuse.11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. .Revelation 91And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. This star is Satan as described above in Rev.12:7-92And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. 7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. 12One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.The sixth trump is the Tribulation period (shortened to 5 mo.)13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.See more on Locusts Armyhttp://www.christianityboard.com/locusts-t...ighlight=Locust
     
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    Hi ChristinaI am impressed with your understanding..................Lets see how far it goes.Who is the beast from the Pit IE who is the AC.
     
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    Hi ChristinaI am impressed with your understanding..................Lets see how far it goes.Who is the beast from the Pit IE who is the AC.
    Satan is Anti-Christ. In fact he is THE AntiChrist that claims to be God. (Isaiah 14:12-16, II Thessalonians 2:3-4, Ezekiel 28:2, Ezekiel 28:6, John 17:12)
     
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    HiNo Satan is not the AC..they are two separate beings that go to the lake of fire 1,000 years apart.10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.These three are clearly described and shown as three seperate entities.
     
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    HiNo Satan is not the AC..they are two separate beings that go to the lake of fire 1,000 years apart.10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.These three are clearly described and shown as three seperate entities.
    Satan is a false prophet as well. Is he not a liar? And Satan is not three people... They are titles. Same thing with God. God is not three people, but titles.
     
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    Hi jordanSo what youare saying is that jesus captures the title of AC and the Title of False prophet and throws these two Titles in the Lake of Fire.20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.We will just ignore the fact that he is described with a Pronoun.And then 1000 years later the Devil is cast into the lake of fire with his two titles that Jesus threw in the lake of fire 1,000 years earlier.Are you sure you want to state this as your understanding of scriptural truth.
     
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    Hi jordanSo what youare saying is that jesus captures the title of AC and the Title of False prophet and throws these two Titles in the Lake of Fire.20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.We will just ignore the fact that he is described with a Pronoun.And then 1000 years later the Devil is cast into the lake of fire with his two titles that Jesus threw in the lake of fire 1,000 years earlier.Are you sure you want to state this as your understanding of scriptural truth.
    Do you want to deal with scriptures that I quoted 2 posts ago? And Yes the Anti-Christ will claim to be God, so yes it's Satan.
     
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    HiHi Where does it say the AC claims he is God.What Thess says is He sits in the Temple of God (which is in Heaven) and Shows HIMSELF he is God.4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.It does not say he claims he is God.Now are you really saying that jesus throws Titles in the Lake of Fire?
     
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    HiHi Where does it say the AC claims he is God.What Thess says is He sits in the Temple of God (which is in Heaven) and Shows HIMSELF he is God.4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.It does not say he claims he is God.Now are you really saying that jesus throws Titles in the Lake of Fire?
    Those titles refers to the same person. Showing yourself that he is God is the same thing as claiming to be God. Those Isaiah, Ezekiel verses I quoted proves that.There is no new thing under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 1:9)
     
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    I agree with Jordan here Antichrist (instead of christ) is Satan who is the Devil who is also Lucifer, dragon, the serpent he has many names. I believe The three you speak of are the three Roles Satan will play we must understand the events that take place to see this clearly. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. We see they are all the same entityRev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. This star is the fallen Angel Satan (Rev1:20 shows stars can be angels) he is given the Key to the pit Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you This begins the tribulation when Satan and his Locust army arrive on earthNow at the beginning of the tribulation we are Told Antichrist comes in peacefully and prosperously he heals the deadly wound ... He is the political beast setting up a one world government. He is winning friends influencing people. He does not claim to be God until Mid week (abomination of Desolation) It is then he takes on the New Role of the false prophet and he begins to persecute the two witness and the true church of believers... We are told in Isa.14:12-17 what happens to Lucifer (who is the devil, the false prophet and the political beast) at Christs return.Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Isa 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners? Antichrist(Satan) is the great pretender he is playing the role of christ/god Christ is Prophet of God, King of Kings, Lamb of God I believe the.. Devil, Political beast (king), false prophet, are the mimicking roles of Satan. He is pretending to be Christ. Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. When he loosed for the 1000 years he will be the devil aka Satan as in the old testament he wont be playing role of False prophet or beast these are done Christ overcame he will just be the old serpent Satan as he was in the beginning. To test those taught in the millenium. Then comes the GWT judgement and death and hell are destroyed and there is a new heaven and a New earth.
     
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    Hi ChristinaAhh I am disappointed ...........................How Can the Devil be The AC..............they go to the pit 1,000 years apart.20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.There is the Beast and False prophet going to the lake of Fire.1: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.next the Devil is cast into the Pit for 1,000 years..............So the Beast and False prophet are in the lake of Fire......and Satan is in the pit..........7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.I am sorry Christina but they are clearly separate beings.....................What you are saying is the devil is in the lake of fire and the pit ..................gets out of the pit only and then gets thrown in the lake of fire where He and himself already are.No you are just mistaken......................The beast is one being................the False prophet is another being..................and the Devil is another being................Look at Rev 13 The Dragon(devil) stands on the sea shore and raises up himself??????????? and then gives his seat and authority ......to himself......................and then the False Prophet rises up who is also the devil and uses the Power of the Beast(himself) which he got from the dragon(himself) and makes people worship the images of the Beast which is Himself.What you are saying is nothing short of a fairytale.The Devil is the Dragon...................the Beast is the AC and the second beast is the False prophet................they are three separate beings who do separate things in conjuction with one another.
     
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    Hi ChristinaAhh I am disappointed ...........................How Can the Devil be The AC..............they go to the pit 1,000 years apart.20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.There is the Beast and False prophet going to the lake of Fire.1: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.next the Devil is cast into the Pit for 1,000 years..............So the Beast and False prophet are in the lake of Fire......and Satan is in the pit..........7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.I am sorry Christina but they are clearly separate beings.....................What you are saying is the devil is in the lake of fire and the pit ..................gets out of the pit only and then gets thrown in the lake of fire where He and himself already are.No you are just mistaken......................The beast is one being................the False prophet is another being..................and the Devil is another being................Look at Rev 13 The Dragon(devil) stands on the sea shore and raises up himself??????????? and then gives his seat and authority ......to himself......................and then the False Prophet rises up who is also the devil and uses the Power of the Beast(himself) which he got from the dragon(himself) and makes people worship the images of the Beast which is Himself.What you are saying is nothing short of a fairytale.The Devil is the Dragon...................the Beast is the AC and the second beast is the False prophet................they are three separate beings who do separate things in conjuction with one another.
    I hate to break this up, but how about the son of perdition? (John 17:12, II Thessalonians 2:3-4)
     
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    Where to you get that????????? It is you who are not understaning Just-the- factsIf you read what I said the role of false prophet the devil is playing is thrown in the pit never to be again. The devil himself is bound for a 1000 years and then released. they are not differnt people the same way Satan and the devil are the same Savior and King are the same, the false prophet/beast is just another role/name for Satan He is bound in Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
     
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    I suggest you do a study on the Names of Satan either on this site or the Web
     
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    Hi ChristinaI know very well all the names of Satan........Now I want to make something very clear here.............Just The facts is from dragnet where he always ask FOR JUST THE FACTS..................I am not saying only I have the facts I am saying present scripture present facts.So Fact Fact 1. The Dragon is Satan..................9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, Fact 2. The beast is Given Satans Seat...............2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.Satan does not give himself his own seat................The beast is referred to as a person place or Thing IE a Noun.........Fact 3. The False prophet is Yet ANOTHER BEING..............11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.It does not say he is Satan it says he speaks like satan.................which we all knows means he lies.These are not the same beings they are all different beings.Fact 4. When Jesus throws them in the lake of Fire he does not throw a title or a role in the fire............20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.Thery are not concepts or titles they are beings that are cast alive into the lake of fireFact 5. The Beast and false prophet are described a second time as separate beings.....................20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,To suggest this is the same being is just not what the text says ...................you may as well say that there are not two people lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem.......................You can say it but that is ignoring the very plain words of God.Let me ask you a simple Question .........................is the Devil in the pit as we speak?
     
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    ...How Can the Devil be The AC..............they go to the pit 1,000 years apart....
    Do you think "Time" is of any concern to Satan? You need to get some facts. Go back and read some of the posts on this topic from the past and learn.
     
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    Hi ChristinaI know very well all the names of Satan........Now I want to make something very clear here.............Just The facts is from dragnet where he always ask FOR JUST THE FACTS..................I am not saying only I have the facts I am saying present scripture present facts.So Fact Fact 1. The Dragon is Satan..................9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, Fact 2. The beast is Given Satans Seat...............2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.Satan does not give himself his own seat................The beast is referred to as a person place or Thing IE a Noun.........Fact 3. The False prophet is Yet ANOTHER BEING..............11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.It does not say he is Satan it says he speaks like satan.................which we all knows means he lies.These are not the same beings they are all different beings.Fact 4. When Jesus throws them in the lake of Fire he does not throw a title or a role in the fire............20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.Thery are not concepts or titles they are beings that are cast alive into the lake of fireFact 5. The Beast and false prophet are described a second time as separate beings.....................20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,To suggest this is the same being is just not what the text says ...................you may as well say that there are not two people lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem.......................You can say it but that is ignoring the very plain words of God.Let me ask you a simple Question .........................is the Devil in the pit as we speak?
    The devil (satan) is held in heaven he has not been able to walk to and fro upon the earth sense Christ died on the cross. He is the accusser he accuses night and Day, Why do you think there is silence in heaven after he is kicked out?? Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his This obviously has not yet happened this is the 5th/6th trump The millenium doesn't even start till Christ returns
     
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    Hi ChristinaI know very well all the names of Satan........Now I want to make something very clear here.............Just The facts is from dragnet where he always ask FOR JUST THE FACTS..................I am not saying only I have the facts I am saying present scripture present facts.So Fact Fact 1. The Dragon is Satan..................9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, Fact 2. The beast is Given Satans Seat...............2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.Satan does not give himself his own seat................The beast is referred to as a person place or Thing IE a Noun.........Fact 3. The False prophet is Yet ANOTHER BEING..............11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.It does not say he is Satan it says he speaks like satan.................which we all knows means he lies.These are not the same beings they are all different beings.Fact 4. When Jesus throws them in the lake of Fire he does not throw a title or a role in the fire............20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.Thery are not concepts or titles they are beings that are cast alive into the lake of fireFact 5. The Beast and false prophet are described a second time as separate beings.....................20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,To suggest this is the same being is just not what the text says ...................you may as well say that there are not two people lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem.......................You can say it but that is ignoring the very plain words of God.Let me ask you a simple Question .........................is the Devil in the pit as we speak?
    The devil (satan) is held in heaven he has not been able to walk to and fro upon the earth sense Christ died on the cross. He is the accusser he accuses night and Day, Why do you think there is silence in heaven after he is kicked out?? Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his This obviously has not yet happened this is the 5th/6th trump The millenium doesn't even start till Christ returnsMight I like to add to Christina's post...Jude 1:9 - Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
     
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    HI[/COLOR] Please do not talk down to me. Thank You. This whole doctrine that these are just Titles or persona is just not backed by Scripture at all. Lets deal with this one point at a Time Is Satan in the pit right now?
     
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