Kenosis heresy

[ChristisGod]

Phil 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
NIV

Phil 2:5-8
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
NASB

 

[marks]

Phil 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
NIV

Phil 2:5-8
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
NASB

How about if you start us all off with your exegesis of the text?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

How about if you start us all off with your exegesis of the text?

Much love!

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God(Yahweh) in the flesh.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God(Yahweh) in the flesh.

hope this helps !!!

So then when you say, Divine Attributes, you are meaning that Jesus remained the Creator God, even while limiting Himself to what the Father worked through Him by the Holy Spirit?

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God (Yahweh) in the flesh.

hope this helps !!!

That would have been my answer, and you put it very well. Not sure if we have any here who would disagree or not, but doesn't hurt to find out.

Welcome to the forum, btw. I hope you enjoy it here.

 

[ChristisGod]

So then when you say, Divine Attributes, you are meaning that Jesus remained the Creator God, even while limiting Himself to what the Father worked through Him by the Holy Spirit?

Much love!

yes

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus did not cease to be God in becoming a Man.

However, He did lay aside certain of the divine attributes (such as Omniscience, see Mark 13:32) in taking on a finite human body that could not contain all of the attributes of Deity.

 

[marks]

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God(Yahweh) in the flesh.

hope this helps !!!

John wrote, "As He is, so are we in this world". What does that mean to you?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus did not cease to be God in becoming a Man.

However, He did lay aside certain of the divine attributes (such as Omniscience, see Mark 13:32) in taking on a finite human body that could not contain all of the attributes of Deity.

I guess the Father is not Omniscient according to that logic.

Rev 19:12
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.

 

[justbyfaith]

I guess the Father is not Omniscient according to that logic.

Yes, the Father as He dwells in human flesh is not Omniscient.

Did you look up the verse (Mark 13:32)?

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, the Father as He dwells in human flesh is not Omniscient.

Did you look up the verse (Mark 13:32)?

I don't need to look it up I know it.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, the Father as He dwells in human flesh is not Omniscient.

Did you look up the verse (Mark 13:32)?

Its not the Father in Rev 19:12 its the Son.

You sure add allot to scripture.

Rev 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

next.............

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't need to look it up I know it.

What does it say?

 

[justbyfaith]

Its not the Father in Rev 19:12 its the Son.

You sure add allot to scripture.

Rev 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

next.............

I have added nothing to holy scripture.

 

[marks]

next.............

?

 

[ChristisGod]

I have added nothing to holy scripture.

you just did in Rev 19:12.

where is the Father mentioned ?

 

[ChristisGod]

?

my way of saying move on

 

[marks]

Its not the Father in Rev 19:12 its the Son.

You sure add allot to scripture.

Rev 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

next.............

I think their point is that if only the Son knows it, then the Father would not be omniscient.

This reminds me of the place where it says that though everything is put under His feet, the one who puts everything there is He Himself excepted from that.

In this case, as the Father gave this revelation to Jesus to then give to His servants, I'd think the same rule applies, that the One Who gives the revelation needs no revealing of it's mysteries.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

you just did in Rev 19:12.

where is the Father mentioned ?

Jesus is the Lord in your estimation correct? if He is not, then you don't have the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

Now there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5), even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).

This same one Lord is the Lord of heaven and earth, even Jesus (1 Corinthians 8:6).

Now, all you have to do is put two and two together and you will come up with the right thinking on the matter.

 

[ChristisGod]

Oh. Dismissive?

not necessarily but over my 30 plus years on christian forums you pick up on certain styles of posters with agendas and its one of my ways of saying lets move on to the next question.