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Knowing Jesus 2

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by soul man, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. soul man

    soul man Well-Known Member

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    Phillippians 3:13,

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

    We deal with the mind more than anything else in scripture. Why? Because it is where you are convinced to what you are or who you are. If you could survey an honest idea from religion today about who they believe they are you would be amazed at the answers you can recieve. Sad part is Christianity is not far behind in giving off the cuff answers to the same question. But with all that aside look at out text.

    We know Paul is dealing with mind issues because in the verse it is written "forgetting." We can go into the mind as deep as the mind gets; as far as to the human knowledge based on this verse. The your bible is for your mind, once born again your journey will begin for the mind. Please read my words carefully because I do not make light of this subject and it is the sadest situation in religion as well as Christianity. The sick in mind, the psychotic, the neurotic, and those manic and depressed. If they would have heard the true gospel preached as life and able to "forgetting those things which are behind" there would not be that kind of sickness to present it self.

    We are looking at the deepest subject of deliverance in all scripture for those caught in this kind of a mind sickness. They will surely recieve more in eternity than others because of the torment of mind sickness and the lack of mankind to help them. I have heard just about all tge excuses "oh brother they have a devil" my answer is cast him out if that's what you believe. "Because of past family sin they have been visited with this torment" ok so the cross didn't work. On and on the non since of ignorance instead of helping the situation "like Jesus would do" the blame game happens because in ignorance they do not know how to help. But on sunday morning they claim the power to raise the dead, heal the sick, and win the lost. Sad situation!!
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we need to keep looking forward. :)

    Hebrews 12.2: 'Looking unto Jesus...'
     
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    ha, we been talking about how the def of many words has changed and just look there at "before," which to us means them thangs which are behind now, huh?
     
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    nice imo, i am minded there in the psychotic passage that if you like give a turtle the same test of like climbing a tree that you give a bird then the turtle will of course fail every time, even though he is a great turtle, but of course he will be made to feel like a failure right
     
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    You mean a new creature, byrd my gift of interpretation is running low? I need to but a vowel
     
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    Not me Well-Known Member

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    So much truth put forth here.

    This is why my prayer is;

    “For an increase of Him each and every day.”

    Blessings for the post.

    Much love in Christ, Not me
     
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    Aaaaah no. Those things which are 'before' would be those things which lie before him as he goes forward.
     
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    ah, sorry, "before" is being used there in the way we now would use "ahead," while we now use "before" to mean "behind," and could maybe only use "before" to mean "ahead" now via adding other clue-words, "set before me" or whatever, which imo the kjv does that on purpose but i dont wanna get into that right now, it might not, dunno. Scripture authors do that to reveal knowledge, kjv does that to conceal knowledge, imo

    but another perspective is that we use the term either in a location context or a timing context, and we flip the meaning around depending upon the context, right, "before" means "ahead" in location but "behind" in time? So, way too early for this here yet but the last shall be first and the first, last
     
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    in location, but not in time, yeh? And see even though those things "set before one" can only be processed after (right now) and never before right now we have this play on words that might lead ppl to misconstrue what they are reading, in Scripture, where they have no probs even delighting in sentence constructions and root choices written from the Naive perspective, even obviously going quite a bit out of the "normal" way of speaking/writing to do so, in order to write a sentence that will be read one way by one mind and a diff way by another, see, "wait here for the present" In Living Color imo.

    so iow you say "no," and the MO has thus been manifested, see, "before" now means "after," so to speak. Which yes, ok, in the archaic sense at least you are "right," even if you are not, but the point really is "no," if you can see it? "No, what is behind us cannot possibly be 'before' us" now, right? Bc "no." Dunno if that is clear or not? And i do this too, ok, this is something we all do.
     
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    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984
     
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    So...the topic.

    Is it about getting to know Jesus beyond the basics of the flesh in the way Paul was suggesting, as kind of a Jesus 2.0 version? (my favorite)

    Or did you mean to talk about the benefits of salvation and eternity for the mentally challenged/handicapped?
     
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    But to read both 'behind' which Paul says he is leaving alone, and 'before' , which he says he is striving to lay a hold of, as meaning past tense makes his whole sentence a contradiction.
     
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    I don't know if I understand your question! You can not seperate the flesh from spirit, both are necessary for earth living.

    Your other question! I'm talking about a neurotic mind, not a birth defect
     
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    ah, sorry, i didnt mean to be doing it there, but in other spots you might now beware of any unspecified "befores," esp in the KJV maybe. No passage is coming to mind though, but then i dont read the kjv much either, nor do i pay any other fealty to any other earth king, its just a sovereignty thing with me, kjv aint much worse than any other tranny i guess. ok see yall, have a good summer
     
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    Well...I was trying to nicely draw out of you just what it is that you were rambling on about. I guess I have my answer.

    As for the flesh and the spirit, there is indeed a connection, but only for a [short] time, as "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Biblically, earthly living should not be the focus of life.
     
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