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Length of days in the beginning

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  1. David323

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    I am a little confused as to how long the six days of creation actually lasted. I have thought they were not exactly 24 hours as the sun and moon were not created on the first "day". Some are telling me they were actually 24 hour days. If that is correct, mankind must have been around much more than about 6000 years.
     
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    I am a little confused as to how long the six days of creation actually lasted. I have thought they were not exactly 24 hours as the sun and moon were not created on the first "day". Some are telling me they were actually 24 hour days. If that is correct, mankind must have been around much more than about 6000 years.
    2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ..."
     
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    2 Peter 3 is out of context, the reason Peter says this is because he told believers that they were living in the last days.Genesis chapter 1, specifically say the evening, and the morning were the first day. You cannot get any more clearer.God made trees on the third day, and the sun on the 4th. If they were really a 1000 years, he would have made it the other way around.Adam and Eve fell after the creation. If he was made in the 6th day (6th millenium) and then fell after the creation (after the 7 days or 7000 years) then Adam would have to be well over 1000 years old when he died, but he was only 930.God bless!!
     
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    Kendal said" Peter 3 is out of context, the reason Peter says this is because he told believers that they were living in the last dayI see him speaking to those who would live in the last days .. Its alled prophesing....II Peter 1:9 "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."II Peter 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord That brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."Hre the verses for all to seeII Peter 3:1 "This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance;"Peter is writing to the children of Israel who have been scattered abroadII Peter 3:2 "That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior:" Peter 3:3 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,"II Peter 3:4 "And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the father fell asleep, all thing continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perishedII Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."II Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."II Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."Peter 3:11 "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,"II Peter 3:12 "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"This word here element means in the Greek(Strongs 4747) rudiments the evil of the earth... only the evil will be dissolved by this Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."II Peter 3:14 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blemeshII Peter 3:15 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you;"II Peter 3:16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction."II Peter 3:17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness."II Peter 3:18 "But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."I see no reference to what you are meaning here... Paul is indeed speaking of things that happening in the first age, and the 2nd age here...just because Paul speaks to those who will live during the end of days does not make this out of context ... Paul is speaking of things to come... to those who were living at the time his did... Kendal said:"Genesis chapter 1, specifically say the evening, and the morning were the first day. You cannot get any more clearer. See below it does not say the sun was created on the first day... not until :Genesis 1:14 "And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" and it was so."Kendal said:God made trees on the third day, and the sun on the 4th. If they were really a 1000 years, he would have made it the other way around."and why is this pertinent? why do you think this? whats the reason? the fourth day, and we now have a moon, sun, stars, and all the other heavenly bodies of the universe. It is in the fourth day that the earth has a constant orbit around the sun, which sets the season, and gives us a uniform standard, which we call time. Now we have a standard day, which is divided into years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds. Genesis 1:14 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth:" and it was so."Genesis 1:15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth:" and it was so."Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also."Genesis 1:17 "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"Genesis 1:18 "And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good."Kendal says:"Adam and Eve fell after the creation. If he was made in the 6th day (6th millenium) and then fell after the creation (after the 7 days or 7000 years) then Adam would have to be well over 1000 years old when he died, but he was only 930.?"Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."The Stongs word here for man is 120 adam reddness of the cheek, ruddy a human beingThe Masarah shows this to be in the Hebrew adam meaning man...adam is not a name her but the designation men...Genesis 1:29 "And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."Genesis 1:30 "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so."Notice that the plant life that was given for "meat", was given to both man and beast. The idea and practice of eating flesh never was ordained by God as food until after Noah's flood. This is recorded in Genesis 9:2, 3. Genesis 9:2, 3 "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered." [verse 2] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." [verse 3]"Life" in this verse is translated "Naphesh" in the Hebrew text. It is classified and used in this form as applying only to "lower form animals". However in this case it is used to show life within, and not the presence of an "eternal soul", as in man.Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made."So here have established in the Word the ending of the 7th day God rested...Shabbat is establishedGenesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."So this adam (man) in the Masarah (the texts all Word is translated from) is written this eth Ha adam... eth (emphatic) HA (the) adam(ruddy faced man)this is a different man than the one formed on day six ...this man is formed on the 8th day... and he has a difference here this one became a living soul... God established the lineage of Christ the immortality redeemed was established and he was give a different domain Genesis 2:15 "And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)"This eth Ha adamSo you have confused the man created on the sixth day with the man created on the 8th day... this is not the same man and so the numbering of his years fit perfectly...Gods ways are higher than our ways,,, we see 1000 years but to Gods time is not the same as it is to us..as Peter said : us 1000 years= God 1 dayIn order to truly understand Gods Word you cannot rely on the translations we have ; you must work and dig into the original language.God bless you , with knowledge and more than that, wisdom which comes from Him...
     
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    2 Peter 3 is out of context, the reason Peter says this is because he told believers that they were living in the last days.Genesis chapter 1, specifically say the evening, and the morning were the first day. You cannot get any more clearer.God made trees on the third day, and the sun on the 4th. If they were really a 1000 years, he would have made it the other way around.Adam and Eve fell after the creation. If he was made in the 6th day (6th millenium) and then fell after the creation (after the 7 days or 7000 years) then Adam would have to be well over 1000 years old when he died, but he was only 930.God bless!!
    Besides what Tom and Bet have already explained. What is your proof of this Kendal? How do you come to a conclusion that Peter words are out of context? He was a favored apostle of Christ,He makes a statement about how God views time,and you conclude its out of context? If you follow that rule than we can assume that any thing we don't like is out of context? This is a perfect example if it does not fit Mans Traditions then it must be Gods word that's out of context. This is wrong thinking.
     
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    So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.
    One of the things that strikes me is that in the creation account, the birds and cattle and such are "after their own kind", but for man, it specifically does not say this. So why do you specifically say it?So you see what I mean, here is Gen 1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.Then later it says Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and it is not stated that this means different colors of people. The only distinction mentioned a bit further on is male and female. Is there some other place in the bible you are getting that man was made after its/his/their own kind?
     
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    The Hebrew is 'adam which means mankind, meaning all of the races by extension because mankind is made up of races as we see them today. There is no other location in the Bible where it says that God created the races. A lot of people mention the Tower of Babel episode, but it merely says that God divided the languages and speaks nothing about races. Going back to the likeness, consider the word "likeness" itself. This one doesn't require going back to the Hebrew. Mankind shares a set of basic characteristics that clearly all could come from the same original mold. If we go by the logic that you used above - there mere lack of the specific word implying that it was just one created, then we run into a problem because we're also forced to discount the Babel account since it again does not explicity state anything about the races. This, coupled with our knowledge of the timeline of events leaves out a whole lot of room for evolution to the very diverse features that we see today. I see no other instance where the races could have come about, and I for one do not believe God left them out for a moment.
     
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    Besides what Tom and Bet have already explained. What is your proof of this Kendal? How do you come to a conclusion that Peter words are out of context? He was a favored apostle of Christ,He makes a statement about how God views time,and you conclude its out of context? If you follow that rule than we can assume that any thing we don't like is out of context? This is a perfect example if it does not fit Mans Traditions then it must be Gods word that's out of context. This is wrong thinking.
    Okay, in Acts 2 Peter told everyone that they were living in the last days, verse 9 in 2 Peter 3 tells us the reason he said this, the Lord is not slack about his promise, or in other words he is still going to come, but who knows when.If we apply this 1000 year thing, then we should say hmmm, everywhere it says day in the Bible let's put in a 1000 years. What Peter said is right, in context, he was speaking of the coming of the Lord, God bless!!
     
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    KendallIf you were expecting a visitor to come see you in a few weeks but you were not sure when and you said remember a week is 7 days long. How does this it make your statement of a week being 7 days any less true? As you say he did not know when he was coming, So he was pointing out that it may seem long to the people but one day is a thousands years to God.And as far as applying 1000 years to every time a day is mentioned is ridiculous thinking and that statement is out of context, this is not referring to mens days, But only Gods days and should only be applied in proper context.
     
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    [quote[ Okay, in Acts 2 Peter told everyone that they were living in the last days,
     
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    Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Note that it does not tell us when Heaven and Earth was made...It just says 'In the beginning'.Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.The Earth was without form, but wasn't without form in the beginning...but it became that way as the LORD created it not in vain but formed it to be inhabited. (Isaiah 45:18)Genesis 1:3 through Genesis 2:4, I believe those verses are mention that the LORD God created these things in 6 literally 24 hours days, in the restored Earth...which is the second age we are in now. He indeed rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:2)Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.P.S. II Peter 3:8 -But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Kriss is right that those days are not referring to human days but God's day. Look at Adam, he died physically 930 years old.Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.Are those days that when Adam died at 930 years old, When 1 human day is 1000 years to God...Nay, Adam would then died at age 930,000 years old to God...so it is really out of context. Adam died less than one day to God.2nd P.S. Then it will would seem like God was in a hurry to fulfil all prophecies...
     
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    There is no other location in the Bible where it says that God created the races. A lot of people mention the Tower of Babel episode, but it merely says that God divided the languages and speaks nothing about races.
    I’m glad I asked this question. I’ve never really thought much about races. I agree about Babel. I always took that to be language differentiation, and likely that caused isolation of various groups after that. I concur as well that all races are in the image and likeness of God. There are things about any man that makes him that way, not his facial features. Also, now that I think about it, usually the bible talks about nationalities or geographical groupings, not racial characteristics, though perhaps it hints somewhere that Ethiopians have something about their skin, but it doesn’t say what (can a leopard change his spots).If one has previously decided to allow for the idea that God made a bunch of men, and then later made Adam, then yes, it could be that all of them initially looked quite different. I can think of no reason to suppose they appeared like carbon copies of each other. If instead one only allows there to have been Adam and Eve, then the variation in color and facial features would have to come through genetic variation and grouping over time with dominant features coming to the fore in each group. Though, perhaps Adam and Eve started out looking fairly different from each other, besides the obvious.I guess the reason I ended up asking is that I am not used to how some people view the creation account(s), with the sixth day assumed to be lots of men at once. I think I see what hung me up. I confused the phrase as a justification for, rather than a result of a line of thinking.
     
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    Well that's how I arrived at the solution as well. The key is that if you accept the Biblical timeline of events, this puts Adam as being (very roughly here give or take a few hundred years) about 6,000 years ago. This is not enough time, IMHO, for the fairly significant divisions we see in certain areas. I think this problem is further complicated when we consider how certain groups - such as "European" features show up as far south and east as parts of India. The other supporting view for me is how Genesis makes it a point to flow in the first part. Everything there follows a very logic time progression of going forward at all times. This notion can be somewhat upsetting, but I assure you that I am convinced because of the lack of any plausible explanation anywhere else. As I mentioned, people try and mold the Babel episode, but I just don't see it. The Bible makes it pretty clear that this is a language issue because Babel means confusion in the very first place. Combined with the Hebrew that is used in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, I am as sure as I can be. I place a lot of faith in the Bible and I don't think we should "dumb it down" (for lack of a better word here) into something that fails to explain and acknowledge the races. Clearly the Bible acknowledges that they exist given the names and even terms used - such as nation. Mankind is mankind, all nations, races, and creeds. Believe me, my ultimate goal is to use the Bible to determine what happened. Science and the Bible really don't have to disagree. The former often asserts the latter if people will only listen.
     
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    Besides what Tom and Bet have already explained. What is your proof of this Kendal? How do you come to a conclusion that Peter words are out of context? He was a favored apostle of Christ,He makes a statement about how God views time,and you conclude its out of context? If you follow that rule than we can assume that any thing we don't like is out of context? This is a perfect example if it does not fit Mans Traditions then it must be Gods word that's out of context. This is wrong thinking.
    That's interesting, kriss. Perhaps you should take your own advice. When I quote a passage about how Jesus is using time, you come to the conclusion that "I" am taking things out of context?JesusReigns
     
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    That's interesting, kriss. Perhaps you should take your own advice. When I quote a passage about how Jesus is using time, you come to the conclusion that "I" am taking things out of context?JesusReigns
    Thats because you follow a doctrine Against God a doctrine based on christ second coming already occuring in 70 AD a doctrine of all prochecy already fufilled a doctrine of a dead and past word of God this is not God Words the living word , your Idea of context is based false docdine. I will NEVER ACCEPT and doubt there is anyone here that does either.
     
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    Kriss is very correct for it is written in the scripture.Matthew 22:32 - I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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