Love and Bubbles what say you

[Rex]

I thought I would open a thread for discussion about many peoples current over simplified message of the Gospel.
I have noticed some here prescribe love in any all situations, feeling that by doing so they are fulfilling the entirety of Gods message.
Below is my opinion and observation on this site as to the effect and conclusion of such a practice.
Please add your comment pro or con, I'm interested in how others see this love prescription and its effects, I see this keystone "love in any and all situations" in other groups that clearly have no Jesus salvation foundation.

The prescription of love and bubbles for everyone anytime is nothing more than the shield of the enemy.

If we follow the love prescription to the end it leads us to questions like, If God is nothing but love then why did he even bother with the law? or right or wrong, or for that matter the bible at all, because you see a God that loves in any and all situations could never judge anyone anyway. The bible speaks volumes about Gods judgment, the love doctors answer to judgement or condemnation of wrong doing is to prescribe love pills in any and all situations, Gods antidote for open opposition is death, not unconditional love and bubbles pills.

So you see the love doctors prescription of love and bubbles 3 times a day in every instance is nothing more than placing a mussel on the truth,
It's a band-aid with a cartoon image of Jesus on the outside. It's used by these people as a medication that is able to justify and cure "cover" any type of sinful behavior. It's misuse has become the shield of the enemy, shielding everyone that takes doctors prescription from the arrows of the truth, "it's sinful and an abomination before God"
This love band-aid is a counterfeit love and prevents the true healing of Jesus threw the HS.

 

[Raeneske]

I thought I would open a thread for discussion about many peoples current over simplified message of the Gospel.
I have noticed some here prescribe love in any all situations, feeling that by doing so they are fulfilling the entirety of Gods message.
Below is my opinion and observation on this site as to the effect and conclusion of such a practice.
Please add your comment pro or con, I'm interested in how others see this love prescription and its effects, I see this keystone "love in any and all situations" in other groups that clearly have no Jesus salvation foundation.

The prescription of love and bubbles for everyone anytime is nothing more than the shield of the enemy.

If we follow the love prescription to the end it leads us to questions like, If God is nothing but love then why did he even bother with the law? or right or wrong, or for that matter the bible at all, because you see a God that loves in any and all situations could never judge anyone anyway. The bible speaks volumes about Gods judgment, the love doctors answer to judgement or condemnation of wrong doing is to prescribe love pills in any and all situations, Gods antidote for open opposition is death, not unconditional love and bubbles pills.

So you see the love doctors prescription of love and bubbles 3 times a day in every instance is nothing more than placing a mussel on the truth,
It's a band-aid with a cartoon image of Jesus on the outside. It's used by these people as a medication that is able to justify and cure "cover" any type of sinful behavior. It's misuse has become the shield of the enemy, shielding everyone that takes doctors prescription from the arrows of the truth, "it's sinful and an abomination before God"
This love band-aid is a counterfeit love and prevents the true healing of Jesus threw the HS.

I will agree with you, that yes there is a false love. A base counterfeit called "love", which will not tell the sinner the truth, but will tell them that their sinful behavior is okay. This is one deception of the Christian Church. True love is defined by Jesus as the two great commandments. Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 22:36-40). But you can never know what true love is, except your hear it of God. So, what is the love of God? 1 John 5:3 says "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." This is true love, keeping God's commandments. As Romans 13:8-10 says, love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Word of God is SUPPOSED to pierce the hearts of people, to bring them to repentance. Hebrews 4:12 says "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." No one is saying we Christians are to share the message of truth with hatred. No, if you TRULY love someone, you will walk up to them, and gently tell them what they need to hear. You will not make unnecessary remarks, but you will simply state it as the spirit moves you to say, telling them what the Bible says about their sin.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I thought I would open a thread for discussion about many peoples current over simplified message of the Gospel.
I have noticed some here prescribe love in any all situations, feeling that by doing so they are fulfilling the entirety of Gods message.
Below is my opinion and observation on this site as to the effect and conclusion of such a practice.
Please add your comment pro or con, I'm interested in how others see this love prescription and its effects, I see this keystone "love in any and all situations" in other groups that clearly have no Jesus salvation foundation.

The prescription of love and bubbles for everyone anytime is nothing more than the shield of the enemy.

If we follow the love prescription to the end it leads us to questions like, If God is nothing but love then why did he even bother with the law? or right or wrong, or for that matter the bible at all, because you see a God that loves in any and all situations could never judge anyone anyway. The bible speaks volumes about Gods judgment, the love doctors answer to judgement or condemnation of wrong doing is to prescribe love pills in any and all situations, Gods antidote for open opposition is death, not unconditional love and bubbles pills.

So you see the love doctors prescription of love and bubbles 3 times a day in every instance is nothing more than placing a mussel on the truth,
It's a band-aid with a cartoon image of Jesus on the outside. It's used by these people as a medication that is able to justify and cure "cover" any type of sinful behavior. It's misuse has become the shield of the enemy, shielding everyone that takes doctors prescription from the arrows of the truth, "it's sinful and an abomination before God"
This love band-aid is a counterfeit love and prevents the true healing of Jesus threw the HS.

It's difficult to see how any fruitful discussion can be had here. You start by mischaracterizing others as promoting "love and bubbles" which is a fluffy acquiescence that bypasses the hard moral issues of right and wrong. You laid this accusation on me in response to a post in which I concurred that homosexuality is wrong and outside of God's will and design for people. Moreover, you seem to think that it's a Catholic trait to fuzzy the lines of morality under the false guise of love. I know by your signature that you hate the Catholic Church, but your impression of the Catholic Church is the precise opposite of reality. So intransigent and non-negotiable is the Catholic Church on the issues of morality that we still maintain a strong stand against the evils of contraception whereas the mainline Protestant denominations caved to the winds of cultural pressure, abandoning their opposition to contraception beginning with the 1930 Anglican Lambeth conference.

And more particularly on the issue of homosexuality, the Church has held steadfast to Sacred Tradition, a stronger bulwark against progressive moral depravity than a Sola Scriptura system by which people can interpret the Bible however they see fit; a practice that has led many to view the Bible as uncritical to the homosexual lifestyle. If the Lord tarries yet another 2000 years, there can be no doubt that the Catholic Church will remain faithful to its teachings, including that homosexuality is "intrinsically disordered" and that contraceptives pervert the God intended purpose of human sexuality. If you're looking for moral ambiguity in the Catholic Church, you're more likely to find it if you look inward.

The love of God, the holiness of God, the law of God, and the justice of God exist in pluperfect harmony. 1Jn 4:8 tells us that God is love; it is his very essence and nature, so there can be no divergence between love and judgment because even the judgment of God can only be viewed as love. It was an act of love that sent Israelites into the land of Canaan to dismantle and crush societies where sin is perpetuated and children are burned alive in the fires of Molech. It is an act of love by which God tells us "thou shalt not covet" because human happiness is wholly dependent on our ability to be content and thankful for what we have. The unregenerate man sees wrath and judgment throughout the Bible, an angry God smiting all who oppose him. But those of us who are wholly converted to the concept that "God is love" see quite a different Bible where even the harsh actions are intended to cause cessation of evil and repentence, choosing life and not death.

 

[Rex]

Well now that you drug your catholic dirty laundry in with you.

Lets look at the latest example of love in any situation being played out by the RCC.
All over the world the high clergy of the RCC are being found out to be protecting homosexual pedophile priest.

It is clear the RCC has unconditional love for these clergy by their actions.
But what of right and wrong in both the biblical definition and according to the laws of the countries where this has taken place?
It would seem that the clergy by action speaks volumes, it has no love or respect for ether the biblical or the moral laws of the country they reside in.

Not to mention the love or lack of love extended to the victims, words of apology are shallow just as works without works.
To bad that justice in both the biblical and secular sense has to be extracted by a court of law.

In all please spare me the lip service from the catholics official policy about morels, it's an empty hollow shell, that point is continually demonstrated by the works of the RCC

I will agree with you, that yes there is a false love. A base counterfeit called "love", which will not tell the sinner the truth, but will tell them that their sinful behavior is okay. This is one deception of the Christian Church. True love is defined by Jesus as the two great commandments. Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 22:36-40). But you can never know what true love is, except your hear it of God. So, what is the love of God? 1 John 5:3 says "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." This is true love, keeping God's commandments. As Romans 13:8-10 says, love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Word of God is SUPPOSED to pierce the hearts of people, to bring them to repentance. Hebrews 4:12 says "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." No one is saying we Christians are to share the message of truth with hatred. No, if you TRULY love someone, you will walk up to them, and gently tell them what they need to hear. You will not make unnecessary remarks, but you will simply state it as the spirit moves you to say, telling them what the Bible says about their sin.

Thank you Raenesky, for providing a biblical starting point in support of exposing the counterfeit love movement.
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My conclusion to Mr Tears will be, what we say to and about God is one thing, but what we choose to do is quite another.

Matthew 7:15-16
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

I think we have seen enough fruit from the RCC back to the topic of there new love and bubbles doctrine.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Well now that you drug your catholic dirty laundry in with you.

Lets look at the latest example of love in any situation being played out by the RCC.
All over the world the high clergy of the RCC are being found out to be protecting homosexual pedophile priest.

It is clear the RCC has unconditional love for these clergy by their actions.
But what of right and wrong in both the biblical definition and according to the laws of the countries where this has taken place?
It would seem that the clergy by action speaks volumes, it has no love or respect for ether the biblical or the moral laws of the country they reside in.

Not to mention the love or lack of love extended to the victims, words of apology are shallow just as works without works.
To bad that justice in both the biblical and secular sense has to be extracted by a court of law.

In all please spare me the lip service from the catholics official policy about morels, it's an empty hollow shell, that point is continually demonstrated by the works of the RCC

It's clear that you think a 20 year old scandal is on the par with a major change in doctrine, but it isn't. Nor am I going to endlessly contend with people who think that some priests abusing children forever invalidates the Catholic Church. Such simplistic thinking is the precise thing you accuse me of. Scandals, both Protestant and Catholic, will come and go, but compromise of major doctrinal issues are never undone. Mainline protestant denominations are in danger of succumbing to political correctness to the point where those who hold a correct view of homosexuality will be in the minority. It happened before and it will happen again.

But this is your thread and you can't seem to keep it on topic. You've yet to demonstrate that I or the Catholic Church have promoted a false version of love at the expense of righteousness. That burden of proof is on you, and throwing 20 year old scandals at me doesn't make that go away. So exactly who does your half baked "love and bubbles" theory apply to and how?

 

[Rex]

If you're done now.

Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits, not by how long they will or have been stand between God and men.

Did you catch that part, it has nothing to do with what you say and everything to do with what you do "meaning the RCC"

Matthew 7;15-16
5 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

Saying homosexuality is wrong is an empty claim when The RCC protects them from being exposed. See how actions "fruit" speaks louder than words.
The RCC doesn't even have the willingness to toss them out of the clergy. That's the action that says we support the gays while you say you don't.
This is the fruit of love and bubbles

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

If you're done now.

Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits, not by how long they will or have been stand between God and men.

Did you catch that part, it has nothing to do with what you say and everything to do with what you do "meaning the RCC"

Matthew 7;15-16
5 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

Saying homosexuality is wrong is an empty claim when The RCC protects them from being exposed. See how actions "fruit" speaks louder than words.
The RCC doesn't even have the willingness to toss them out of the clergy. That's the action that says we support the gays while you say you don't.
This is the fruit of love and bubbles

No, actually this is the rotten fruit of your embarrassing ignorance. The Catholic Church now forbids ordaining of homosexuals and has put in rigid guidelines to wed trust with accountability, ensuring that any future abuses will be swiftly addressed in an open manner. Trying to quote a Bible verse and phrase it as supporting your bigotry shows utter disrespect for the holy scriptures. So again, how do I or the Catholic Church fit your "love and bubbles" theory in the context of compromising on major issues of doctrine?

 

[Rex]

That's nice a don't say don't tell policy.
Seeing that exactly what has been practiced.

Your also saying, the Vatican used to implement gays into its ranks of clergy.

Aspen can better explain to you the doctrine of love in any situation, this forum is littered with his love and bubbles theology. And it looks like you have jumped right on board with him.

So exactly who does your half baked "love and bubbles" theory apply to and how?

I see you deny there even exist a corrupt presentation of love today in both church and secular circles in-spite, it's presents, most notably in the gay community.
The main banner flying at the front of the parade is most often, tolerance, if your not tolerant your are hateful. Non tolerant people are meet with the banner hatred. Which is exactly the word you use to first defend your position in the other thread, If I'm not loving everyone and everything I'm a hater. I find it rather a amusing that you use the words and arguments the gay community does to defend the love and bubbles theology you defend on the other thread, but of course you deny that a misrepresentation of love exist.

Jesus was despised by your kind in his day precisely because he didn't hate the people you expected him to hate. He was criticized for associating with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners. His message was so popular that the people thronged around him, yearning to hear his every word. If Christianity is trying to be more like Christ, do you honestly think you fit the definition?

And aspen has recently started a new post entitled tolerance I'm sure you seen it, you two introduced yourselves in it. Tolerance.... hatred.........is this a christian forum or did I take a wrong turn LOL I'm glad to see you two were the first to post in the new homosexual thread, promoting tolerance no doubt.

I like to call it love and bubbles

 

[John S]

This topic isn't actually about love versus judgment. It's Protestant versus Catholic.

Childish.

 

[Rex]

This topic isn't actually about love versus judgment. It's Protestant versus Catholic.

Childish.

well you can't change the fact that Catholics on this site are the largest proponents of love and bubbles, not counting the pro gays, but I think its a mixed bag, If you catch my drift

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

well you can't change the fact that Catholics on this site are the largest proponents of love and bubbles, not counting the pro gays, but I think its a mixed bag, If you catch my drift

How many openly gay clergy have been ordained in the Catholic Church? How many in Protestant denominations?

Your also saying, the Vatican used to implement gays into its ranks of clergy.

No I didn't say that. The Catholic Church didn't ask one's sexual orientation. Now we do.'

Aspen can better explain to you the doctrine of love in any situation, this forum is littered with his love and bubbles theology. And it looks like you have jumped right on board with him.

Even if I don't agree with everything Aspen says, we're both Catholic and therefore we protest nothing. There's a feeling of peace when you're not protesting anyone else's church because you belong to the only Church that Jesus established. That profound fact has a way of settling all arguments before they're raised.

I see you deny there even exist a corrupt presentation of love today in both church and secular circles in-spite, it's presents, most notably in the gay community.

Do you want to discuss how the immoral Left is infiltrating the ranks of Catholics and Protestants alike? I'd be glad to have that discussion because it's a topic on which I have some in depth knowledge. The only difference is, Protestants have a history of caving into that pressure by changing their fundamental beliefs. Catholics have no such history.

The main banner flying at the front of the parade is most often, tolerance, if your not tolerant your are hateful. Non tolerant people are meet with the banner hatred. Which is exactly the word you use to first defend your position in the other thread, If I'm not loving everyone and everything I'm a hater. I find it rather a amusing that you use the words and arguments the gay community does to defend the love and bubbles theology you defend on the other thread, but of course you deny that a misrepresentation of love exist.

Just who are you preaching to? I'm not a dunderheaded Leftist stunted with the juvenile thinking of Leftists. So who is this directed at?


And aspen has recently started a new post entitled tolerance I'm sure you seen it, you two introduced yourselves in it. Tolerance.... hatred.........is this a christian forum or did I take a wrong turn LOL I'm glad to see you two were the first to post in the new homosexual thread, promoting tolerance no doubt.

You're not going to score any points with me by casting aspersions on fellow Catholics. When Catholics disagree with each other, we don't get in a huff and go start another church. We have a unity that you couldn't possibly understand, nor can you drive a wedge between us.



I like to call it love and bubbles

I think you need a hug.

 

[Rex]

How many openly gay clergy have been ordained in the Catholic Church? How many in Protestant denominations?

I have no idea your the one that said the RCC no longer ordains homosexuals, you tell me how many they have ordained? Then tell me how many are still wearing funny dresses, and hold there office in the church?

No, actually this is the rotten fruit of your embarrassing ignorance. The Catholic Church now forbids ordaining of homosexuals and has put in rigid guidelines to wed trust with accountability, ensuring that any future abuses will be swiftly addressed in an open manner. Trying to quote a Bible verse and phrase it as supporting your bigotry shows utter disrespect for the holy scriptures. So again, how do I or the Catholic Church fit your "love and bubbles" theory in the context of compromising on major issues of doctrine?

The only protestant churches that ordain gays that I know of are gay churches, under your definition of protestant.

And aspen has recently started a new post entitled tolerance I'm sure you seen it, you two introduced yourselves in it. Tolerance.... hatred.........is this a christian forum or did I take a wrong turn LOL I'm glad to see you two were the first to post in the new homosexual thread, promoting tolerance no doubt.

You're not going to score any points with me by casting aspersions on fellow Catholics. When Catholics disagree with each other, we don't get in a huff and go start another church. We have a unity that you couldn't possibly understand, nor can you drive a wedge between us.



I like to call it love and bubbles

I think you need a hug.

Now your scaring me

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I have no idea your the one that said the RCC no longer ordains homosexuals, you tell me how many they have ordained? Then tell me how many are still wearing funny dresses, and hold there office in the church?

Let's not be intentionally thick. I'm talking about open and practicing homosexuals. It's Protestant denominations that ordain them, not the Catholic Church.

The only protestant churches that ordain gays that I know of are gay churches, under your definition of protestant.

You foolishly take comfort in the fact that they are currently in the minority and assume they will stay that way.


Now your scaring me

You should see me when the moon is full!

 

[Angelina]

I see that this "love thread" has turned into another denominational argument...Topic closed