MARK 16:16 BAPTIZED AND SAVED

[Doug]

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus was commanding the twelve disciples to go and preach the gospel. Whoever believed and is baptized shall be saved. Whoever will not believe would not be baptized either.

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The gospel they were to preach was the gospel of the kingdom. The kingdom is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth promised to believing Israel. This is the kingdom spoken of in Isaiah 9:7 above. The saved in Mark 16:16 are those who will be saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

The twelve were to go preaching the kingdom of God; the prophetic Davidic kingdom.

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Jesus, in the verses above, was speaking to the people of John the Baptist. Those that heard Jesus and were baptized justified God by believing what they heard. Those who were not baptized rejected what they heard God say. They were baptized with the same baptism that John preached and performed.

The Davidic kingdom was interrupted by the dispensation of Grace (Ephesians 3:2) but will be fulfilled in the future. In the millennial reign of Christ, the gospel of the kingdom will once again be preached along with baptism (Matthew 28:19-20).

 

[Davy]

Still a false doctrine you preach.

The IDEA of preaching The Gospel to ALL NATIONS does NOT mean preaching the "Davidic kingdom", because to all nations means to GENTILES TOO! And last time I looked at my Bible history, the Gentiles nations do NOT mean the nation of Israel!

 

[Doug]

Still a false doctrine you preach.

The IDEA of preaching The Gospel to ALL NATIONS does NOT mean preaching the "Davidic kingdom", because to all nations means to GENTILES TOO! And last time I looked at my Bible history, the Gentiles nations do NOT mean the nation of Israel!

Hello
The nations plural are the Gentiles.
The nation singular is Israel.
The Gentile nations will be blessed through Israel in the Davidic kingdom (Isaiah 2:2).

 

[Davy]

Hello
The nations plural are the Gentiles.
The nation singular is Israel.
The Gentile nations will be blessed through Israel in the Davidic kingdom (Isaiah 2:2).

When Jesus comes, the ONLY ones inhabiting His Israel are His elect Church. And His Church is made up of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles. Paul called it the "commonwealth of Israel" in Ephesians 2.

But what your false double-bubble gospel doctrine of men preaches is that the Dispensationalist theory of Israel re-established on earth with ISRAELITES ONLY, while Christ's Church is ruling from Heaven with Jesus. And that just ain't so! It is a doctrine of men.

What God's Word teaches is that Christ's Church will go through the "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught. And on the last day of this world, Jesus will come and gather His faithful Church, both from Heaven and the earth, and they all go with Him to Jerusalem on earth to reign with a rod of iron over the nations for a thousand years.

I asked you about that "camp of the saints" that is shown on earth per Rev.20:9, but you never answered why it is there on earth, when part of your theory from men requires the saints be ruling in Heaven for that thousand years.

 

[Doug]

When Jesus comes, the ONLY ones inhabiting His Israel are His elect Church. And His Church is made up of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles. Paul called it the "commonwealth of Israel" in Ephesians 2.

But what your false double-bubble gospel doctrine of men preaches is that the Dispensationalist theory of Israel re-established on earth with ISRAELITES ONLY, while Christ's Church is ruling from Heaven with Jesus. And that just ain't so! It is a doctrine of men.

What God's Word teaches is that Christ's Church will go through the "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught. And on the last day of this world, Jesus will come and gather His faithful Church, both from Heaven and the earth, and they all go with Him to Jerusalem on earth to reign with a rod of iron over the nations for a thousand years.

I asked you about that "camp of the saints" that is shown on earth per Rev.20:9, but you never answered why it is there on earth, when part of your theory from men requires the saints be ruling in Heaven for that thousand years.

Hello
In response to the camp of the saints in Revelation 20:9.........this is at the end of the millennium....the saints are believers in Christ...saints do not apply only to believers in the body of Christ in heaven, but all believers, even on earth.

 

[Enoch111]

How does one go from Mark 16:16 to the Davidic kingdom? I believe you are quoting various Scriptures without a regard to their context.

 

[Doug]

How does one go from Mark 16:16 to the Davidic kingdom? I believe you are quoting various Scriptures without a regard to their context.

Hello
You can decide if I have randomly quoted various scripture:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus commanded the disciples to go and teach all nations. This has not been fulfilled, but will be in the millennial reign of Christ, the Davidic kingdom (Isaiah 2:2).

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The gospel that is to be preached to the nations is the gospel of the coming of the Davidic kingdom (Matthew 4:17).

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The disciples were to begin at Jerusalem but did not reach all the nations; the nations will be reached in the Davidic kingdom.

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

The disciples were given power to cure disease.

9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

The disciples were sent to preach the coming of the Davidic kingdom and cure disease.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Back to Mark and we see the disciples were given power to cure disease in the following verse.

16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Finally the gospel that was being preached as substantiated by the preceding verses is the gospel of the Davidic kingdom. This is not the great commission given to the body of Christ; we are to be ambassadors and plead to be reconciled to God.

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus commanded the disciples to go and teach all nations. This has not been fulfilled, but will be in the millennial reign of Christ, the Davidic kingdom (Isaiah 2:2).

You are SERIOUSLY MISTAKEN and are also misrepresenting those Scriptures.

Since the beginning of the Acts of the apostles until now, the Great Commission is being fulfilled and the Gospel is going out into all the world. The Church is being built by Christ through the Gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Before the Davidic Kingdom is established (after the Second Coming) the Jews from around the world will be gathered to Israel and will literally see Christ, repent, and be converted. He will reveal Himself personally as Lord and Savior, as well as King of kings and Lord of lords. That is NOT when the Great Commission will be fulfilled, since Christ will literally establish His Kingdom on earth, and there will be saved nations surrounding redeemed Israel.

 

[Dave L]

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus was commanding the twelve disciples to go and preach the gospel. Whoever believed and is baptized shall be saved. Whoever will not believe would not be baptized either.

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The gospel they were to preach was the gospel of the kingdom. The kingdom is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth promised to believing Israel. This is the kingdom spoken of in Isaiah 9:7 above. The saved in Mark 16:16 are those who will be saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

The twelve were to go preaching the kingdom of God; the prophetic Davidic kingdom.

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Jesus, in the verses above, was speaking to the people of John the Baptist. Those that heard Jesus and were baptized justified God by believing what they heard. Those who were not baptized rejected what they heard God say. They were baptized with the same baptism that John preached and performed.

The Davidic kingdom was interrupted by the dispensation of Grace (Ephesians 3:2) but will be fulfilled in the future. In the millennial reign of Christ, the gospel of the kingdom will once again be preached along with baptism (Matthew 28:19-20).

There is no gospel of the kingdom today, it's been changed into a gospel of a future kingdom. A different gospel.

 

[Doug]

You are SERIOUSLY MISTAKEN and are also misrepresenting those Scriptures.

Since the beginning of the Acts of the apostles until now, the Great Commission is being fulfilled and the Gospel is going out into all the world. The Church is being built by Christ through the Gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Before the Davidic Kingdom is established (after the Second Coming) the Jews from around the world will be gathered to Israel and will literally see Christ, repent, and be converted. He will reveal Himself personally as Lord and Savior, as well as King of kings and Lord of lords. That is NOT when the Great Commission will be fulfilled, since Christ will literally establish His Kingdom on earth, and there will be saved nations surrounding redeemed Israel.

Hello

And who is being healed?

 

[Doug]

There is no gospel of the kingdom today, it's been changed into a gospel of a future kingdom. A different gospel.

Hi
Do you have a scripture for that?

 

[Doug]

You are SERIOUSLY MISTAKEN and are also misrepresenting those Scriptures.

Since the beginning of the Acts of the apostles until now, the Great Commission is being fulfilled and the Gospel is going out into all the world. The Church is being built by Christ through the Gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Before the Davidic Kingdom is established (after the Second Coming) the Jews from around the world will be gathered to Israel and will literally see Christ, repent, and be converted. He will reveal Himself personally as Lord and Savior, as well as King of kings and Lord of lords. That is NOT when the Great Commission will be fulfilled, since Christ will literally establish His Kingdom on earth, and there will be saved nations surrounding redeemed Israel.

Hello

You said.....Since the beginning of the Acts of the apostles until now, the Great Commission is being fulfilled and the Gospel is going out into all the world. The Church is being built by Christ through the Gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus sent the disciples....He was working in them....he was confirming the word with signs like healing etc.....Jesus did not send the body of Christ, the church....in fact it was not formed until Paul:
Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

 

[Dave L]

Hi
Do you have a scripture for that?

If you define the kingdom according to Jesus, it arrived with him, but only the born again could see it. Nobody sees it today and looks for a physical kingdom of the future Jesus knows nothing of. This leads to two different gospels of the kingdom.

 

[Stranger]

Some things to consider concerning the Kingdom of God.

The millennial kingdom will not be the Kingdom of God. It is in the Kingdom of God.

Saved Israel, the nation, is not the Kingdom of God. She will be in the Kingdom of God.

The Church today is not the kingdom of God. She is in the Kingdom of God.

Stranger

 

[Davy]

Hello
The nations plural are the Gentiles.
The nation singular is Israel.
The Gentile nations will be blessed through Israel in the Davidic kingdom (Isaiah 2:2).

You're just subject to your own delusions. That's what one gets by following the doctrines of men.


When you some day come to understand what this "company of nations" is about that God said Jacob's seed would become, then you might understand what I've been talking about...

Gen 35:10-11
10 And God said unto him, "Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name": and He called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
KJV

 

[Davy]

Hello
In response to the camp of the saints in Revelation 20:9.........this is at the end of the millennium....the saints are believers in Christ...saints do not apply only to believers in the body of Christ in heaven, but all believers, even on earth.

NO, that "camp of saints" had to already exist throughout... the "thousand years". It does not just suddenly appear that at the end of Christ's reign.

You don't understand Christ's reign with His elect over the nations during that thousand years at all. You've been taught a lie and you have believed it hook, line, and sinker.

These Scriptures are emphatic of what kingdom Christ's saints will inherit in their reign ON EARTH...

Rev 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
KJV

Dan 7:18
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
KJV

Dan 7:27
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
KJV

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

 

[Enoch111]

Some things to consider concerning the Kingdom of God.

Correct. The way to understand this is as follows:

THE KINGDOM OF GOD =
THE CHURCH IN THE NEW JERUSALEM +
REDEEMED ISRAEL (12 TRIBES) ON EARTH +
(AFTER THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST)
THE SAVED NATIONS ON EARTH +
(AFTER THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST)
ALL THE HOLY ANGELS

This is only in relation to planet earth. We have not been told about how the other worlds will also be within the eternal and universal Kingdom of God for eternity.

 

[Doug]

If you define the kingdom according to Jesus, it arrived with him, but only the born again could see it. Nobody sees it today and looks for a physical kingdom of the future Jesus knows nothing of. This leads to two different gospels of the kingdom.

Hey
Here is scripture to uphold a coming physical kingdom:

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

I don't understand what you mean by there being two different gospels of the kingdom....please show me verses for that

 

[Dave L]

Hey
Here is scripture to uphold a coming physical kingdom:

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

I don't understand what you mean by there being two different gospels of the kingdom....please show me verses for that

It happened in Christ's resurrection. He's already on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above.

“Therefore [David] being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” (Acts 2:30–31)

 

[Carl]

Hello

And who is being healed?

Lk. 9:2
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

Eph. 1:4 God's elect.