So what is this all about?:
But many that are first will be last, and the last first. Matt 19:30 RSV
But many that are first will be last, and the last first. Matt 19:30 RSV
Matthew 19:30
- Thread starter Bob Estey
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Jesus states the same thing again in the next chapter, 20:16. It reminds me of how Israel was first, and the Gentiles were the last. Here are some other scriptures that co-respond to the Matthew 19 one, which Jesus speaks of his return, and the twelve thrones set up for those whom he had called, who would judge the nations of Israel. I'm tired at this point, and cant say for certain.
Matthew 19:30
Mat_8:11-12, Mat_20:16, Mat_21:31-32; Mrk_10:31; Luk_7:29-30, Luk_13:30, Luk_18:13-14; Rom_5:20-21, Rom_9:30-33; Gal_5:7; Heb_4:1
Matthew 19:30
Mat_8:11-12, Mat_20:16, Mat_21:31-32; Mrk_10:31; Luk_7:29-30, Luk_13:30, Luk_18:13-14; Rom_5:20-21, Rom_9:30-33; Gal_5:7; Heb_4:1
Last edited:
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
Yes, "first" refers to Israel, But they did not accept. They will be last to be restored..
The last refers to the Gentiles, who were restored first.
The last refers to the Gentiles, who were restored first.
Bob, I went ahead and did some research concerning Reversals, before I went to bed I was thinking Yeshua is stating a reversal. He is talking to his chosen apostles concerning when Yeshua would sit on the throne with his Father (Revelation 3:21), the twelve whom had followed him will also sit on twelve thrones and judge all of Israel. What seems to be happening is the judgement upon Israel's 12 tribes, which only ( part of them would be saved; Revelation 7) and the rest would be put in desolation, including plagues because of the curses involved in the Mosaic Law, people continued to have a mix of beliefs even after Yeshua and his resurrection, and Israel continued to follow under the law, and those who failed that law, not looking to Yeshua (Revelation 1-3 concerning what Yeshua had stated some needed to shape up or they would miss the boat.) Would fall under this destruction which is also promised by Yeshua, when you continue onward in the Gospel of Matthew, but also Luke, and Mark all sum up what would the nation itself would fall under (in my opinion the wrath of God, along with judgement GWTJ). I have some old testament scriptures to share with you if you would like to see more of these reversals. At the end of the Mosaic Age, a New Age would replace it, a new heavens and a new earth (land) where sacrifices are no longer needed and everything is Spiritual concerning the Kingdom of God, and how believers live their lives today. With Yeshua having taken care of Satan, Hell, Death, and the Judgement had commenced upon the nation of Israel, and it lead to it's destruction, and leaves us with Revelation 21-22, I believe as a continuation. These are my own opinions and nothing has to be accepted.
As a side note: I believe everyone at the end of life is still judged. Though the GWTJ was for a specific age in time.
It seems to me the Reversal for them was their Material Kingdom was going to be replaced with a Spiritual one. With Israel having been invited first, and Gentiles invited after their rejection. (What comes to mind is the Wedding Banquet.) It also reminds me of a time where Jesus tells the woman that "there will be a time where you will not go to Jerusalem to worship but those who seek to worship God will do so in spirit and in truth."
As a side note: I believe everyone at the end of life is still judged. Though the GWTJ was for a specific age in time.
It seems to me the Reversal for them was their Material Kingdom was going to be replaced with a Spiritual one. With Israel having been invited first, and Gentiles invited after their rejection. (What comes to mind is the Wedding Banquet.) It also reminds me of a time where Jesus tells the woman that "there will be a time where you will not go to Jerusalem to worship but those who seek to worship God will do so in spirit and in truth."
Last edited:
Here is what I have noticed:
There are some who get off to a good start in life, living righteously, and God rewards them. Others get off to bad starts and suffer the consequences of unrighteous decisions.
Time passes.
Some of the ones who got off to bad starts learn from their mistakes and straighten out their lives. Meanwhile, some who got off to good starts, and were rewarded, become prideful.
And so it is, some who are first are last, and some who are last are first.
What’s interesting to me. Is that Jesus tells the Rich man, to come and follow him. While Jesus loved the person, that person still wasn’t righteous. Only Jesus is righteous and thus he tells him to “sell all you have and follow me.” He walks away. There are many people who do that even still today, Bob. I didn’t know if you wanted any questions asked, as far as your shared thoughts on the commentary I thought I would mention this. What you have said does remind me a lot of “Parable of the Sower.” And of course Jesus and his words concerning “it’s easier for the camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.” And also reminds me of the parable of the two sons, where Jesus tells the Pharisees “the prostitutes and the tax collectors are getting into the Kingdom of God before you.”
I don't have the courage to sell all my possessions. Where would I sleep at night? How would I get there (without a car)?
Me either, Bob. That is why we look to the one whom makes us right with Yahavah, the Lord Yeshua. Many people think it's crazy to believe that Jesus gave up his life on behalf of the world, and on behalf of his Father, in order for the scriptures to be fulfilled. That is what I think is also represented by the walking away. I've heard of people who think of Jesus as a great Jewish man, and that he was a good teacher, but he is the Lord at least to me, whom gave up his life, and Yahavah, his Father, by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah rose Yeshua up from the dead.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
ISRAEL did accept . its just not all of Israel IS OF ISRAEL .
I think he was God in flesh. In other words, God, the Father, came down to earth as a human being - Jesus.
What makes people Christian, is simply following Yeshua, and believing that God raised him from the dead by the Holy Spirit, after having died and been buried. Whatever you believe, is totally between you, your own personal heart, and Yahavah/God. That was what Jesus told the Rich man, in the chapter section you shared. "Sell all you have and follow me." He walked away. I love you, and I love everyone else, though some I may find annoying, some may find me annoying. I hope they forgive me for my short tempermentalness but if they do not, that is between them and God.
ScottA
Well-Known Member
This regards the "firstfruits" of the Spirit.
In other words, Jesus is the First of those who from that point in history on, would be born first of the spirit of God. While those who had come since Adam unto that time, would be Last to enter into the spirit of God. Which is because even though they were born and died first, they did not enter into the spirit of God during their lifetime, because the Holy Spirit (the spirit of God) had not yet been given.
Which also makes Jesus "the First and the Last", as He said.
Love is imperative, in the Christian following of Yeshua. I don't believe it has anything to do with emotionalism at all.
It's agape love.
Word Origin: Derived from the verb ἀγαπάω (agapaō), meaning "to love."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H160 (אַהֲבָה, ahavah): Often translated as "love," used in the Old Testament to describe love between people and God's love for His people.
Usage: Agapé is a term used in the New Testament to describe a selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love. It is the highest form of love, often associated with the love of God for humanity and the love that believers are called to have for one another. Unlike other Greek words for love, such as "eros" (romantic love) or "philia" (brotherly love), agapé is not based on emotions or feelings but is an act of the will, characterized by a commitment to the well-being of others.
It's agape love.
Word Origin: Derived from the verb ἀγαπάω (agapaō), meaning "to love."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H160 (אַהֲבָה, ahavah): Often translated as "love," used in the Old Testament to describe love between people and God's love for His people.
Usage: Agapé is a term used in the New Testament to describe a selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love. It is the highest form of love, often associated with the love of God for humanity and the love that believers are called to have for one another. Unlike other Greek words for love, such as "eros" (romantic love) or "philia" (brotherly love), agapé is not based on emotions or feelings but is an act of the will, characterized by a commitment to the well-being of others.
This is something I've noticed:
There are some who get off to a good start in life, living righteously, and God rewards them. Others get off to bad starts and suffer the consequences of unrighteous decisions.
Time passes.
Some of the ones who got off to bad starts learn from their mistakes and straighten out their lives. Meanwhile, some who got off to good starts, and were rewarded, become prideful.
And so it is, some who are first are last, and some who are last are first.
So I will interpret that to mean that love is how we treat people, not how we feel about people.
ScottA
Well-Known Member
You are seeing it as the similitude (likeness) of man created in the image of God. But that likeness is not the message, for Jesus stated it in context as standing between all who were born before salvation, and those after. He was announcing the times of the fulfilment of the promises of God--from the apex.
Similar threads
