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Methodist Council Allows Transgendered Minister to Keep Job

Discussion in 'Current Events & Politics Forum' started by jamesrage, Nov 1, 2007.

  1. jamesrage

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    Here is an example of a corrupt church.No church claiming to be Christian should allow this kind of nonsense.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306536,00.htmlBERKELEY, Calif. — A council of the United Methodist Church has decided to allow a transgender minister to retain his job, but it stopped short of addressing whether a change of gender violates the denomination's rules.At a session over the weekend in San Francisco, the United Methodist Judicial Council considered whether to remove the Rev. Drew Phoenix from his post. The council allowed Phoenix to stay on the job, referring to a church policy stating that a clergyperson in good standing can't be terminated unless there has been administrative or judicial action, according to the ruling, posted on the church's Web site.
     
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    I do not understand the problem here.Do methodist now allow female ministers?
     
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    I do not understand the problem here.Do methodist now allow female ministers?
    You worded the question wrong it should be "Do methodist not allow people who pretend to be of the opposite gender to be ministers?"Of course they allow homosexual ministers,so allowing trannys and other degenerates to be ministers is no surprise.
     
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    You worded the question wrong it should be "Do methodist not allow people who pretend to be of the opposite gender to be ministers?"Of course they allow homosexual ministers,so allowing trannys and other degenerates to be ministers is no surprise.
    This sounds like a bigoted and un-Christian attitude. You should have posted this in the non Christians sub-forum.If one Christian behaves in a degenerate manner does that mean all Christians are degenerate?Your argument seems to slander a whole group with the behaviour of a minority. Seems a little "National Socialist" if you know what I mean.:naughty:
     
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    If it is what the Methodists allow and the Methodists are considered christian then why not post in the christian forum? From what I've seen in just these few posts I would agree with you and say anything Methodist should be posted in the non-christian sub-forum. But that's just me...
     
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    This sounds like a bigoted and un-Christian attitude.
    A unchristian attitude is tolerating what some of these false churches are doing such as tolerating homosexuality.
    If one Christian behaves in a degenerate manner does that mean all Christians are degenerate?Your argument seems to slander a whole group with the behaviour of a minority.
    That group condones homosexuals and trannys as a whole.They did not leave their denomination nor did they throw out their church leaders for tolerating such things.It would be no different that allowing people who on a daily basis commited adultery,worshiped false idols and or other sins to be in leadership positions of the church.
    Seems a little "National Socialist" if you know what I mean.:naughty:
    Oh know I do not tolerate churches who blatantly condone sin,I must be a national socialist.Perhaps you should take the false teacher quiz.http://www.christianityboard.com/can-you-g...quiz-t4223.html
     
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    A unchristian attitude is tolerating what some of these false churches are doing such as tolerating homosexuality.That group condones homosexuals and trannys as a whole.They did not leave their denomination nor did they throw out their church leaders for tolerating such things.It would be no different that allowing people who on a daily basis commited adultery,worshiped false idols and or other sins to be in leadership positions of the church. Oh know I do not tolerate churches who blatantly condone sin,I must be a national socialist.Perhaps you should take the false teacher quiz.http://www.christianityboard.com/can-you-g...quiz-t4223.html
    I think if you go back to your bible you will realize Jesus was most interested in talking to sinners. Preaching to the converted was not his agenda. so, all of you safe in your little Christian comfort clubs seem to be preaching to each other, as long as you all have the same view that is.Save the sinners, not the saved!Oh, and read the new testament again a few times - you still do not seem to have understood the message!:bible:p.s/ I got 98% on the quiz.
     
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    1 Corinthians 6:9-11
    Hi Wakka,You posted these verses:1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV) 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. You may notice that these verses probably include the whole of humanity. So no man shall inherit the kingdom of God.Every man and woman is a sinner and will continue to sin because they are human. They may strive not to sin but until they are completely Christlike they shall always fall short.Sin is sin -it is a vanity of those who persecute others for having a more visible sin. Pointing the finger and condemning one group for their sin is a sin in itself - it is also hypocracy (is that Christlike?)Do not manipulate scripture to fit your own prejudices, listening to false preachers who manipulate the word for their own agenda is the best of satanical trickery, no?I am not going to use any scriptural quotation here because I could be accused of false teaching and preaching. Look at what Christ DID and SAID, that is the best measure of truth!:naughty:
     
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    Hi Wakka,You posted these verses:1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV) 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. You may notice that these verses probably include the whole of humanity. So no man shall inherit the kingdom of God.Every man and woman is a sinner and will continue to sin because they are human. They may strive not to sin but until they are completely Christlike they shall always fall short.Sin is sin -it is a vanity of those who persecute others for having a more visible sin. Pointing the finger and condemning one group for their sin is a sin in itself - it is also hypocracy (is that Christlike?)Do not manipulate scripture to fit your own prejudices, listening to false preachers who manipulate the word for their own agenda is the best of satanical trickery, no?I am not going to use any scriptural quotation here because I could be accused of false teaching and preaching. Look at what Christ DID and SAID, that is the best measure of truth!:naughty:
    I'm only posting scripture and it's the truth.Also, John 7:24. I've only been doing that. [​IMG]And Romans 10:9 gives me the authority to judge in righteousness, and it excuses me from 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. [​IMG]
     
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    I think if you go back to your bible you will realize Jesus was most interested in talking to sinners.
    He preached to the sinners because they were the ones that needed to be saved.He did not condone their sin.
     
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    He preached to the sinners because they were the ones that needed to be saved.He did not condone their sin.
    That is true jamesrage - Jesus preaches to the sinners - he does not condone sin.Did Jesus put us in a position to judge others - no!Did Jesus put us in a position to judge ourselves - no!, but he gave us the means to test ourselves, find ourselves lacking, and make reparation for our misdemeanours and repent.:bible:
     
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    He preached to the sinners because they were the ones that needed to be saved.He did not condone their sin.
    John 7:24: 24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.How do we know what is righteous judgement? God is the only Judge! Because he judges without prejudice only righteousness.That is true jamesrage - Jesus preaches to the sinners - he does not condone sin.Did Jesus put us in a position to judge others - no!Did Jesus put us in a position to judge ourselves - no!, but he gave us the means to test ourselves, find ourselves lacking, and make reparation for our misdemeanours and repent.:bible:Fools judge others: The righteous ask their peers for guidance and God for judgement:bible:
     
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