More about : Understanding God's "GIFT" of Salvation

[Behold]

Reader,

No matter the sin.........Jesus on The Cross has become this.. for the BELIEVER.. = Born Again.

1.) "God hath made Jesus.. to BE SIN....for us"..

2.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL.......SACRIFICE...for sin".

This means that all sin for all time is dealt with, by JESUS's Sacrifice.... and therefore God's justice is eternally satisfied.

And here is where the Believer's mind gets blown, as this is the part of "the Gift of Salvation" that offends the flesh and the self righteousness in a Believer.
And the truth is.. .the more prideful and self righteous you are, the more this will offend your point of view, and your opinion, that is your self righteousness, regarding your lack of understanding regarding God's "GIFT of Salvation."

Now, you milage is going to vary, regarding what im going to teach you.. .so, some will say..>"of course" and others who have the issue will not want to see God's Grace....

Notice...

The born again are "not under the Law".. ."but under Grace".

That means, that the born again, have RECEIVED a finished salvation and eternal life....that is not based on how you behave.

And that offends the flesh........as the flesh wants to say...>>"""now look everyone... and see what im doing, so that i can say that God's Salvation, is partly based on ME ME ME ME".

See that? That is SELF Righteousness, that is denying Jesus full credit for saving you and keeping you saved. And most Christians, have that "carnal mind" "in the flesh"..issue and want to fight about what they have to do, to stay saved and stay forgiven., so that they can take some CREDIT instead of Giving Jesus all the CREDIT due Him alone, for saving you and keeping you saved.

Now, a vital understanding regarding the finished work of Jesus on The Cross is it produced this for you.... = You are...."no longer under the LAW".

So....You have to understand what this means, as this revelation is how you find real faith for all time., and this revelation is simply that the Law can never again define your deeds as a sin, or define you as a sinner.

Why?
Because you are : "not under the law........but under GRACE"..


This means that the born again, CHRISTian, is always found here..


'""""""""""""""Where there is NO LAW.......there is no TRANSGRESSION""""""""">.

See that?
That is the "get that revelation" or you can't mature in Christ, and will always try to confess sin, to stay saved, you'll worry about "losing it".... and you'll not be able to get past ... Hebrews 6:1

Whereas..., when you come to the understanding of what it means to be "made free from sin"... "not under the Law"...You'll read 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 and rejoice, because you'll finally understand your SALVATION.... Reader.

And once you SEE this Revelation, regarding who you have become '"IN Christ", you have arrived here..

"Work out your Salvation, in awe and wonder".

A.) You've worked it out........you've UNDERSTOOD IT Perfectly.

 

[Behold]

Now, i just showed you that "working out your salvation".. means.. = to understand it perfectly.

And if you never have, then you thought that to "work it out" means to try not to lose it.

Right?
You thought that trying to keep yourself saved, by being good, or holding unto your faith, or confessing your sin, was "im trying to work it out".

But that is not how you work it out.
See, to work out your salvation..........can only occur if you already have it....For Eternity.
"working it out" is not trying to keep it, or trying not to lose it......or trying to behave like Jesus, according to your concept regarding whatever that means to you.

= Working it out....means....>> :NOW that i have it......what is it all about" ??????????????????????????????????

See that?
That is how you "work it out'..........first you understand that you have it forever, and now that you exist IN IT.. how do you function in it..? How do you operate within the Salvation that you have been GIVEN as "The Gift of Salvation".. and "The Gift of Righteousness".. as "The Gift of Eternal Life?

See it?

That is how you "work it out". You LEARN what all that MEANS as revelation knowledge that is the "knowledge of God".

Saint.....
Listen.

CHRISTianity, is ALL Spiritual.........and once we see this....then we stop trying to DO our ETERNAL = "Gift of Salvation."".


Salvation is not something you do......>Its something you have RECEIVED.. that causes you to BECOME.. a "NEW CREATION">.. in Christ".... Born again......as : = '"one with God"....

See it?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Free gifts are many times CONDITIONAL as the gift of salvation is CONDITIONAL upon obedience hence not everyone universally, unconditionally receives this free gift for not everyone will meet the necessary condition of obedience to God's will. Naaman was offered the free gift of being healed of his disease from God but GOD (not Naaman) placed the condition of dipping 7 times in the Jordan river in order to receive that free gift. Hence Naaman's obedience earned him nothing but his obedience was required by God to receive the free gift. There is NOTHING written anywhere, except in the corrupt bias of some men, that says all free gifts must be UNconditional.

The work (obedience to God) required in working out one's salvation is a work required by God to CONDITIONALLY receive His free gift. This work required by God earns NOTHING as Naaman's obedience to God in dipping 7 times earned him NOTHING. Work out meaning DOING it, not just simply understanding God in what to do, but actually DOING it.

 

[Behold]

Free gifts are many times CONDITIONAL as the gift of salvation is CONDITIONAL

What you posted is not true, once again.

Jesus Is Salvation, and once you have Him, you have Eternal life.

God's gifts are "without repentance".. Romans 11:29 and Salvation is "The Gift of Salvation".

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Truth:

"And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper......
Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean."

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Rom 11 - God never promised that salvation is UNconditional, hence God cannot go back on a promise He never made. Context of Rom 11 is that due to unbelief the once chosen Jews were cast off, something not possible if OSAS were true/if salvation were 100% unconditional.

Furthermore God grafted in the Gentiles but warned those Gentiles
"Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." Even though the Jews were cast off ".... if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

Rom 11 proof text against OSAS. People being cast off, grafted in or being cast off but then graffed in AGAIN all go to prove salvation is CONDITIONAL upon obedience to God.

 

[Behold]

God never promised that salvation is UNconditional,

Im not sure why you dont believe that Jesus keeps you saved, but until you do, your understanding of the The Cross, is ZERO.
Perhaps, you'd like to explain why you believe that Jesus who saved you while you were a sinner, is not able to keep you saved.

Also, there are 2 Conditions that God requires to give a person Eternal Salvaiton.

One, is that Jesus had to die on The Cross.

Two, is that you give God your faith..

Now, if both of those are completed, then """""God who began salvation, in the born again.. Will HIMSELF be faithful to complete it""".

Now, you dont believe this, @BarneyFife .... because you are a SELF Saver.. A LEGALIST....who is trying to keep yourself SAVED, because you do not have any faith in Christ, or God that they are your Salvation....... as if you did, you would BELIEVE that your salvation, is based on THEM, and never on you. @Ernest T. Bass

Always remember Reader, that we come to God as a sinner, and God takes us from there to Eternal Life and Heaven after we die..., and this is never based on your behavior, but is only and always based ONLY on the Finished work of Jesus on THE Cross.

So, when a Cross Rejector tries to hang you on the Cross of your own self righteousness, telling you that your behavior and how you think... is why God will keep you saved or not, then just know you are dealing with a deceiver, who may not be saved, and if they are, they have no understanding of the Blood and Death of Jesus.....none at all.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

You keep beating the same dead horse with same failed arguments.

--NO VERSE teaches the idea of Christ saving sinners UNconditionally. The idea of "sinners saved by grace" is not found in the Bible for it is not sinners who are saved by grace but Christians are the ones saved by grace for it Christians who have obediently complied to God's will while sinners are those who live in defiance, rebellion to God's will

--NO VERSE says that obedience to God is "legalism". Again 'legalism' is a made up word not even found in the Bible and people often use it in ways contrary to clear Biblical teaching as in calling Naaman a legalist because he obeyed God by dipping 7 time in the Jordan as God required for Naaman in order to receive the free gift of healing.

-NO VERSE says the disobedient will UNCONDITIONALLY be saved but those who obey are the one's Christ saves (Heb 5:9)

You posted: (in blue)
there are 2 Conditions that God requires to give a person Eternal Salvaiton.

One, is that Jesus had to die on The Cross.

Two, is that you give God your faith..

Christ's died for every man (Heb 2:9) yet every man will not be saved for every man will not obey Christ thereby failing to receive Christ's free gift of salvation.

In 1 Cor 1:13 Paul's point is for anyone to be "of Christ" two things must be true;

1) Christ must be crucified for you
2) you must be baptized in the name of Christ.

Again, Christ died for every man per #1 but every man will not be obedient to Christ by being baptized in His name per point #2. Hence every man will not be saved though Christ died for every man. Your idea of "give God your faith" is completely made up by you, it's not what Paul required of anyone to be "of" Christ.

You continue to try and conform the Bible to make it fit your preconceived ideas rather than conforming your ideas fit what the BIble says.

 

[Behold]

--NO VERSE teaches the idea of Christ saving sinners UNconditionally.

If you continue to believe that you have to perform so that God will have you or keep you, then you are denying that Salvation is a "Gift".

Salvation is a '"Gift."""
You dont earn it, and you dont keep it....... you receive it., while you were "yet a sinner"..
Salvation is "The Gift of Salvation".

 

[Behold]

NO VERSE says that obedience to God is "legalism".

God never told you or anyone that....>>>"I will save you, with my Son's blood and death, only if you promise to be obedient after i do".

So, this deception that you are teaching.......that God only saves you and keeps you, if you are "obedient"..is false.... When in fact, God saves SINNERS, while they are "yet sinners".....not when they are obedient. @Ernest T. Bass .

Listen up..

"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be SAVED"..

See that "SAVED".......that means completed, and completely......There is no 2nd part to God's Salvation.

"well behold what i mean is....once you are saved then later if you are not obedient, God will send you to Hell"..

Sorry deceiver but God's Salvation is not begun or kept by our obedience..........as God's Salvation, is based on Christ's Cross.

That you dont know this, and can't understand it... is unfortunate for you. @Ernest T. Bass .

 

[Behold]

-NO VERSE says the disobedient will UNCONDITIONALLY be saved but those who obey are the one's Christ saves (Heb 5:9)

Let me show you how Salvation is offered... as you have no clue......


"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"..........not the Obedient... not those who are obsessed with law and commandments.

Notice....

It's "while we were YET SINNERS... "" that God gives us SALVATION.

See that?
That is who Jesus came for.........not your twisted idea of "obedient person" @Ernest T. Bass

 

[Behold]

1.) Christ must be crucified for you
2) you must be baptized in the name of Christ.

Christ was crucified for everyone., already.

Will everyone believe?

No , not everyone, ... however The Cross is offered to the "WORLD"... = John 3:16

Also, You can be water baptized 455 times, and its meaningless, unless you are born again BEFORE you get dunked.
And you can be Saved, and never be water baptized........as being born again, has nothing to do with WATER. @Ernest T. Bass

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Again...

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you cannot show one example from the Bible where a person's obedience to God earned that person anything, where God owes people for their obedience. Your inability to show this is based upon the fact that obedience to God and works of merit are two totally, completely different things. You will not acknowledge this difference for it exposes the fallacy of the man made teaching of faith onlyism.

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you cannot show from the Bible where it teaches God saves man Unconditionally, that is, God saves man apart from obedience. The Bible is repleat with verse that teaches the disobedient, the unrighteous are the ones lost (2 Thess 1:8) while it is the obedient who do God's will that are saved, Matt 7:21; Heb 5:9. Again, you cannot show this for the Bible does not teach man made idea of faith onlyism.

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In 1 Cor 1:13 Paul's point is for anyone to be "of Christ" two things must be true;

1) Christ must be crucified for you
2) you must be baptized in the name of Christ.

You try and change #2 for it does not fit your personal bias. Christ died for every one but every one will not be saved for every one will not be baptized into the name of Christ. Paul did NOT say one must believe only to be of Christ, but must be baptized. Again, you're caught trying to conform the Bible to make it fit your agenda rather than conforming your belief to fit the Bible. 1 Cor 1:13 is proof text of the necessity of baptism so you feel a need to rewrite it since it does not confirm to your way of thinking.

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to call on the name of the Lord means DOING what the Lord says....".And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Lk 6:46 Jesus is Lord of those who Do what He says, it is those that DOETH the will of the Father that enter the kingdom Mt 7:21.

How can one claim to call upon the name of the Lord when they will not do what he says, how can one claim to be "of Christ" yet will not do what He says?

The new birth takes place when one obeys the Lord by submitting to water baptism as the Lord commanded:

Jn 3:5 -----born gain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom
Mt 7:21 do the will of God >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom

Since there is but one way to be saved/enter the kingdom, no alternatives, then the Bible makes a definite connection between being born and doing the will of God. God commanded baptism, hence those that submit to doing God's will are the ones born again. Being born again does notm cannot take place apart from doing the will of God. Hence being born again is not just some emotional experience, it does not happen by doing nothing, that is, it does not happen apart from doing God's will, it does not happen by a simple mental ascent of the mind (1), it does not happen against the will of man....


(1) from AI overview on 'mental ascent of the mind':
"Mental assent of the mind" refers to the act of intellectually accepting or agreeing with something, simply by thinking it to be true, without necessarily fully believing it or allowing it to impact your actions or emotions; it's essentially a cognitive acceptance without deep commitment or transformation in your heart or behavior."

In other words, being born again rules out faith onlyism's mental ascent of the mind.

 

[Johann]

You try and change #2 for it does not fit your personal bias. Christ died for every one but every one will not be saved for every one will not be baptized into the name of Christ. Paul did NOT say one must believe only to be of Christ, but must be baptized. Again, you're caught trying to conform the Bible to make it fit your agenda rather than conforming your belief to fit the Bible. 1 Cor 1:13 is proof text of the necessity of baptism so you feel a need to rewrite it since it does not confirm to your way of thinking.

@Ernest T. Bass
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all (Ephesians 4.4-6).

Paul’s statement has the elements of a creed: one body, one Spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father. The common element of the statement is the word “one.” Paul wrote there was one baptism.

What baptism did he mean?

From Paul’s other teachings, we know he meant spiritual baptism. Paul did not regard water baptism to be of great importance.

He wrote the Corinthians, “Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel” (1 Corinthians 1.17). If only one baptism exists, what baptism is it–the baptism by man or the baptism by God the Holy Spirit?

Clearly, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is greater than water baptism performed by man.

It is clear that from the time Paul wrote the Corinthians to the time he wrote the Ephesians that water baptism was ending and that by the time he wrote Ephesians it had ceased.

Therefore, water baptism has no place in Christianity. Why do churches practice water baptism?

The short answer to that question is that churches practice water baptism because theologians have failed to recognize and distinguish between Paul’s ministry and the revelation God gave to him and the ministry of John the Baptizer, Jesus, and the Twelve. John, Jesus, and the Twelve proclaimed the “gospel of the kingdom of God” (Matthew 4.17; 9.35).

Their message was to Israel. Its focus was on repentance, water baptism, belief that Jesus was the promised Messiah, and the earthly kingdom of God. Paul proclaimed a different message. He proclaimed the “gospel of the grace of God” (Acts 20.24) which focused upon Christ dying for our sins and rising from the dead. It was a message of grace and faith alone (1 Corinthians 15.1-4).

Paul’s gospel was primarily to Gentiles since he was the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11.13). Failure to understand the differences between these two ministries and messages and failure to distinguish between Israel (God’s earthly people) and the Church (God’s heavenly people) has led to most of the hermeneutical problems that exist in Christianity. Only when one allows the Scriptures to mean what they say in context rather than reading later revelation into them or forcing them into a preconceived theological position do apparent contradictions vanish. Such methodology is much more successful and enlightening than rationalizing or forcing passages into contorted directions that result in confused or contradictory renderings.

In summary,

From John the Baptizer to Pentecost there was one baptism–water baptism (Mark 1.4; John 1.31).
During the period of time recorded in Acts there were two baptisms–water (Acts 2.38) and baptism with or in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1.5; 2.38; 1 Corinthians 12.13).

At the present time there is one baptism (Ephesians 4.5). This is the baptism by which we are baptized into Christ’s death and resurrection (Romans 6.3-5) and into His body (1 Corinthians 12.13).

This baptism is different from the baptism with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

At Pentecost, Christ was the Baptizer (Matthew 3.11; Acts 1.5). But for Christians, for believers of Paul’s gospel, the Holy Spirit is the baptizer. He baptizes us into Christ and his body (1 Corinthians 12.13; Titus 3.5-7).

If water baptism is invalid for our day, there is no need to discuss infant baptism. But since infant baptism is a major part of Christendom one small word will be said. No Scripture supports the idea of infant baptism. Search the Scriptures. It is not there. Furthermore, the notion that baptism is for the New Testament what circumcision was for the Old Testament is a human invention. Not one verse supports this notion. One can only wonder how such teaching began. A chief principle of the Reformation was sola scriptura–the Scriptures alone. Tragically, men sacrifice that principle all too willingly to sustain theological biases.

From Paul’s teaching, the apostle to the Gentiles, the apostle of the gospel of the grace of God, and the apostle to whom Christ revealed the Church, the body of Christ, comes the knowledge of one baptism: the baptism of the Holy Spirit. By this baptism, we are identified with Christ and placed “in Christ.” God the Holy Spirit is the baptizer of believers, not a minister who dips, pours, or sprinkles water on someone. Despite the centuries of history of water baptism and all its attendant traditions, the Scriptures teach baptism of the Holy Spirit is the one legitimate baptism for the Church, the body of Christ.

Baptism - doctrine.org

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit (1 Corinthians 12.13). Probably no issue has contributed to more confusion,…

doctrine.org

J.

 

[Behold]

Again...

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you cannot show one example from the Bible where a person's obedience to God earned that person anything, where God owes people for their obedience.

God accepts the Cross of Christ to save you and keep you saved.

Your Self Righteousness, that is your idea of "i must be obedient"... denies that Salvation is "The Gift of Salvation".

you cannot show from the Bible where it teaches God saves man Unconditionally

"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"..

There is your obedience... found.
= Give God your faith.........= in Christ, and God will save you and keep you saved.

No other option is available.

2) you must be baptized in the name of Christ.

God does not accept your city water supply salvation theories @Ernest T. Bass .


How do you know?
Its because your water baptism Catholic Cult concepts, didn't hang on The Cross to save a sinner like you. @Ernest T. Bass

See The CROSS of Christ for your Eternal answer...... regarding how to be saved and now to STAY Saved.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

1) as long as a person refuses to accept the fact there is a difference between obedience to God and works of merit, then that person will never understand NT salvation.

2) it was not the water that healed Naaman but God. It was Naaman's OBEDIENCE to God as to why God healed him. Likewise, it is not water that takes away sin. It is God that removes the body of sin when one OBEYS God's will by being baptized, Col 2.

3) NO VERSE says the promise of salvation is gained unconditionally or kept unconditionally, that is a fallacy of man's imagination.

4) I am not Catholic. I reject all erroneous, man-made Catholic traditions as infant baptism, original sin, instrumentel music, celebrating Christiams/Easter as Christian Holy days, transubstantiation, clergy/laity, etc, etc. I also reject man-made Protestant errors as faith onlyism, Calvinism, etc.

 

[Behold]

1) as long as a person refuses to accept the fact there is a difference between obedience to God and works of merit, then that person will never understand NT salvation.

Here is how a Christian is to "understand Salvation".

A.) JESUS is Salvation

You can't do that.,. so, stop trying to keep yourself saved..

Instead, only and always trust in Jesus who SAVED YOU...........to Keep you saved.

Listen @Ernest T. Bass .............if you are not trusting in Jesus to KEEP you saved.......then who or what are you trusting in? /????????????????????????????????????

A.) Your own /SELF............and that is SELF Righteousness.......

That's broken faith, as a faith that does not Trust in Christ alone to KEEP YOU SAVED...........is = NO faith in Christ at all.

2) it was not the water that healed Naaman but God. It was Naaman's OBEDIENCE to God as to why God healed him. Likewise, it is not water that takes away sin. It is God that removes the body of sin when one OBEYS God's will by being baptized, Col 2.

God heals via Faith.

Also, its fine to be water baptised..........AFTER you are born again.

3) NO VERSE says the promise of salvation is gained unconditionally or kept unconditionally, that is a fallacy of man's imagination.

Salvation is Christ on The Cross

You can't do that, so stop pretending that Salvation is something you do..........or something you keep.

Its Neither..

Here is where you are off the track.

You are trying to prove that your discipleship, is your Salvation, and its not.

See, JESUS is your Salvation, on The Cross.

And your Discipleship, is what you do , your walk of faith.........that you do daily...........not to be saved, but because you ARE Saved.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

You keep repeating the same things.

Again, if you cannot see the difference between obedience to God and works of merit then you will never understand NT salvation. Are you more loyal to false man-made docrtrines than Christ's NT?

God's Spirit thru Peter commanded those in Acts 2 to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. Those that obeyed were the ones that were saved....

"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."

Those that obeyed did NOT save themselves by themselves but saved themselves by choosing to obey God's command to repent and be baptized. Those that would not obey condemned themselves by choosing to not obey God. God does not unconditionally force salvation or condemnation upon men...men chooses for himself to be saved or not and those that choose to obey God have in that sense 'saved yourselves". You're clinging to man-made ideas that will not allow you to understand this simple concept.

 

[Behold]

"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."

Christians are not saved from an "untoward generation".. they are saved from their sins, by being born again, as "the righteousness of God in Christ".

And they are saved from this........... JOHN 3:36

Think now...

God saves a SINNER., while = "they were yet sinners".

See that?
God saves SINNERS.............with the Cross of Christ, because they gave God their FAITH in Jesus.

So, our Salvation is Christ's Sacrifice.........given freely as "the Gift of Salvation.

Therefore, what did the SINNER do, to earn this from God. ?????????????????????

A.) NOTHING.... as Salvation is a "GIFT" given to SINNERS..

So, now having received God's "Gift of Salvation".. while we were "Yet sinners"..........Is God going to change everything once a SINNER has been given eternal Salvation?

No, God wont do that............as if God required of us........ a certain behavior, after we are born again... to keep us..........when He accepted us already while we yet SINNERS.........then that would not be right, and certainly would not be Theologically correct.

Think on that, Reader., and realize that "God who began Salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be faithful to complete it"....Not us.
We can't complete what Jesus has died to give us...........we can only receive it and rejoice in "the Gift of Salvation"... and following this... we "present our bodies as a Living Sacrifice to God as our REASONABLE Service".........but never to try to stay saved, or complete what Jesus has already Finished on The Cross.

See, we can't complete what Jesus has accomplished on the Cross that HE SAID........>"IT... is FINISHED"..

A.) "IT".. = SALVATiON

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Reader,

No matter the sin.........Jesus on The Cross has become this.. for the BELIEVER.. = Born Again.

1.) "God hath made Jesus.. to BE SIN....for us"..

2.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL.......SACRIFICE...for sin".

This means that all sin for all time is dealt with, by JESUS's Sacrifice.... and therefore God's justice is eternally satisfied.

And here is where the Believer's mind gets blown, as this is the part of "the Gift of Salvation" that offends the flesh and the self righteousness in a Believer.
And the truth is.. .the more prideful and self righteous you are, the more this will offend your point of view, and your opinion, that is your self righteousness, regarding your lack of understanding regarding God's "GIFT of Salvation."

Now, you milage is going to vary, regarding what im going to teach you.. .so, some will say..>"of course" and others who have the issue will not want to see God's Grace....

Notice...

The born again are "not under the Law".. ."but under Grace".

That means, that the born again, have RECEIVED a finished salvation and eternal life....that is not based on how you behave.

And that offends the flesh........as the flesh wants to say...>>"""now look everyone... and see what im doing, so that i can say that God's Salvation, is partly based on ME ME ME ME".

See that? That is SELF Righteousness, that is denying Jesus full credit for saving you and keeping you saved. And most Christians, have that "carnal mind" "in the flesh"..issue and want to fight about what they have to do, to stay saved and stay forgiven., so that they can take some CREDIT instead of Giving Jesus all the CREDIT due Him alone, for saving you and keeping you saved.

Now, a vital understanding regarding the finished work of Jesus on The Cross is it produced this for you.... = You are...."no longer under the LAW".

So....You have to understand what this means, as this revelation is how you find real faith for all time., and this revelation is simply that the Law can never again define your deeds as a sin, or define you as a sinner.

Why?
Because you are : "not under the law........but under GRACE"..


This means that the born again, CHRISTian, is always found here..


'""""""""""""""Where there is NO LAW.......there is no TRANSGRESSION""""""""">.

See that?
That is the "get that revelation" or you can't mature in Christ, and will always try to confess sin, to stay saved, you'll worry about "losing it".... and you'll not be able to get past ... Hebrews 6:1

Whereas..., when you come to the understanding of what it means to be "made free from sin"... "not under the Law"...You'll read 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 and rejoice, because you'll finally understand your SALVATION.... Reader.

And once you SEE this Revelation, regarding who you have become '"IN Christ", you have arrived here..

"Work out your Salvation, in awe and wonder".

A.) You've worked it out........you've UNDERSTOOD IT Perfectly.

What you say is very true in terms of what is given us when we first believe in principle, that is, the "already" of the gospel, what is already the case in the Father's sight as our Judge.

However, there is a "not-yet" of the gospel for the sins that still remain in our sinful natures. Contrast the two halves of the Book of Colossians. The first two chapters largely tell us what Christ has "already" done and is doing for us and his creation, whereas the last two chapters have many commands to overcome the sins in our "not-yet" natures based on Jesus' resurrection (3:1--book: Live Risen Jesus' Life: A Practical Colossians Guide--Amazon in ebook and paperback).

There can be no pride in the "not-yet" part of our lives, because God enables us to make such improvements (Ephesians 2:8-10, especially the last verse).

 

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What you say is very true in terms of what is given us when we first believe in principle, that is, the "already" of the gospel, what is already the case in the Father's sight as our Judge.

@Bruce-Leiter .


Salvation is Jesus shedding His blood and dying on the Cross.
This is proven by His Resurrection..

So, when we discuss Salvation, and Eternal Life.. and Redemption..........we only discuss The Cross of Christ as there is no other Salvation offered by God.
This is why Jesus said in John 14:6 that He is the "only way to the Father".

Notice that Jesus didnt include water baptism or self effort or confessing sins, or any type of daily repenting.
And always remember that Jesus is not a Calvinist, and that God hates Calvinism.

God makes : Christians
Calvin and his hoard of disciples, try to deceive them and turn them into TULIP-Heads.. or "Calvinists"..

Now, religions, cults, and deceived self righteous people, try to add to the Cross of Christ, their self effort, their water baptism, and their law and commandment keeping and sometimes their Church, or Cult........or Calvinism.
Whereas ....God does not.

Now, subsequent to the believer receiving from God the redemption that is only found as "the Gift of Salvation" that is Christ's finished work on the Cross............we have now entered into our discipleship.....AFTER we have received SALVATION, from God.

So, we see that our SALVATION< is The Cross of Christ, the Blood Atonement, and the "GIFT of Righteousness"

And now that we have received these "GIFTS".. from God..........we are to behave as having them..

"present your body as a living sacrifice" to GOD............not to stay saved, but because we ARE Saved.

This behavior that is Subsequent to our Salvation.......is where the majority of Christians are confused, and stay confused.. and that is because they do not understand that their Discipleship is not God's Salvation.

Salvation is not discipleship.

This is why you find most Christians trying to stay saved.....by their discipleship, .. not understanding that they are already forever given eternal life and eternal forgiveness of sin.....the moment that they Gave GOD their Faith in Christ.