Mrk 16:17-18 applies today, really ? Let's see :)

[Dryhn]

Let me be very clear ... I cannot prove anything to you.

I will leave it up to you to google it for yourself ... there are plenty of testimonies online.
It is important to use spiritual discernment to distinguish the real from the fake.
Some people may be trying to bring glory to themselves ... others will be describing something they personally witnessed.
Whether you believe it or not is up to you.

I've done my best to share what I believe, and what I have experienced, so will end my participation in this thread here.
Thank you for a courteous debate.

Correct me if I'm wrong
Mk 16:17 these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

THEM you stated referred to a Church
Today you said "I do not know any church that speaks in tongues as in Acts 2:4-6 ""

Here's the problem :-

If Churches (THEM) today do not speak in new tongues eg Acts 2:-4-6 then Mk 16:17 does not apply to churches today

 

[David1701]

People make the Church
People drive out devils
People communicate in a language unknown to them
People handle a lethal viper
People drink a deadly thing
People lay their hands to heal the sick

When was the last time you did any of those ? :)

1 Cor. 12:1-11 (W.E.B.)
1 Now concerning spiritual things, brothers, I don’t want you to be ignorant.
2 You know that when you were heathen, you were led away to those mute idols, however you might be led.
3 Therefore I make known to you that no man speaking by God’s Spirit says, “Jesus is accursed.” No one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” but by the Holy Spirit.
4 Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord.
6 There are various kinds of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all.
7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit;
10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.
11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires.

God distributes all of his gifts to the assembly as a whole, but not everyone has all the gifts, or even the same gifts.

I've read of missionaries who have been poisoned, and the natives were astonished when they survived.

Many people have been healed miraculously, through the laying on of hands. Many demons have been driven out of demonised people. Many Christians speak in unlearned languages (and they are sometimes interpreted (they always should be, in meetings)). Many prophecies are uttered (although, they need to be tested, since there are many false prophecies). There are many supernatural discernings of people and spirits, which were not known naturally, etc., etc..

For one example (from many) of continuing, Holy Spirit empowered evangelism, see the ministry of David Hathaway.

 

[Dryhn]

1 Cor. 12:1-11 (W.E.B.)
1 Now concerning spiritual things, brothers, I don’t want you to be ignorant.
2 You know that when you were heathen, you were led away to those mute idols, however you might be led.
3 Therefore I make known to you that no man speaking by God’s Spirit says, “Jesus is accursed.” No one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” but by the Holy Spirit.
4 Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord.
6 There are various kinds of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all.
7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit;
10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.
11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires.

God distributes all of his gifts to the assembly as a whole, but not everyone has all the gifts, or even the same gifts.

I've read of missionaries who have been poisoned, and the natives were astonished when they survived.

Many people have been healed miraculously, through the laying on of hands. Many demons have been driven out of demonised people. Many Christians speak in unlearned languages (and they are sometimes interpreted (they always should be, in meetings)). Many prophecies are uttered (although, they need to be tested, since there are many false prophecies). There are many supernatural discernings of people and spirits, which were not known naturally, etc., etc..

For one example (from many) of continuing, Holy Spirit empowered evangelism, see the ministry of David Hathaway.

Thx David, I'll keep it short to avoid confusion.
Acts 2:4-6 tongues - A talker speaks in a language unknown to him yet is clearly understood by others

If that happens regularly today then there will be video evidence of it.
Please list any such occurrence that you are aware of.
TIA

 

[David1701]

Thx David, I'll keep it short to avoid confusion.
Acts 2:4-6 tongues - A talker speaks in a language unknown to him yet is clearly understood by others

If that happens regularly today then there will be video evidence of it.
Please list any such occurrence that you are aware of.
TIA

That event has been characterised as a miracle of hearing. In any case, most instances of tongues speaking are not like that one.

 

[Dryhn]

That event has been characterised as a miracle of hearing. In any case, most instances of tongues speaking are not like that one.

Yes, the tongues today are believers talking in a 'dialect' that no-one inc the talker understands - I have no problem with that or them

Miracles of healing :-
Lay hands on a terminally ill baby & within minutes/hours said baby recovers - that will convince me that 'healing' happens today :)

 

[David1701]

Yes, the tongues today are believers talking in a 'dialect' that no-one inc the talker understands - I have no problem with that or them

That's often the case; although, I had a friend who was visiting a convention in Wales. He was something of a linguist and could speak German and French to a very high standard, as well as knowing Koine Greek, Latin and smatterings of other languages. He heard someone praising God, in refined German, so went to speak to him, in German, but the worshipper, who was Welsh, couldn't speak a word of German and didn't know that he'd been praising God in German.

There are many such accounts.

Miracles of healing :-

Lay hands on a terminally ill baby & within minutes/hours said baby recovers - that will convince me that 'healing' happens today :)

The laying on of hands (anointing with oil), for the healing of the ill, is even taught by some cessationists (and it's entirely biblical).

James 5:14,15 (W.E.B.)
14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord,
15 and the prayer of faith will heal him who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

The relative lack of supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, in many denominations, is primarily because of unbelief.

The devil is very pleased with both powerless unbelief and fanatical excesses. Both extremes should be avoided.

 

[Dryhn]

That's often the case; although, I had a friend who was visiting a convention in Wales. He was something of a linguist and could speak German and French to a very high standard, as well as knowing Koine Greek, Latin and smatterings of other languages. He heard someone praising God, in refined German, so went to speak to him, in German, but the worshipper, who was Welsh, couldn't speak a word of German and didn't know that he'd been praising God in German.

There are many such accounts.


The laying on of hands (anointing with oil), for the healing of the ill, is even taught by some cessationists (and it's entirely biblical).

James 5:14,15 (W.E.B.)
14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord,
15 and the prayer of faith will heal him who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

The relative lack of supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, in many denominations, is primarily because of unbelief.

The devil is very pleased with both powerless unbelief and fanatical excesses. Both extremes should be avoided.

The laying on of hands (anointing with oil), for the healing of the ill
Fantastic :) Please list one confirmed documented case where a terminally ill baby was healed within a VERY short time frame

He heard someone praising God, in refined German, so went to speak to him, in German, but the worshipper, who was Welsh, couldn't speak a word of German
Proof & documentation please

There are many such accounts.
Great, yet where are the undisputable sworn testimonies &/or videos by them & the people closely known to these 'talkers' ?