The current thread on the Crusades has gotten long and I think it is worth having a different one with a different focus or framing. I've dealt with handwringing over the Crusades for years now. What I most object about the Crusades is that Muslims and their liberal sympathizers attempt to use it to make an argument of Moral Equivalency especially when there are complaints of Islamic based terrorism, grooming gangs sexually assaulting Western women etc. And the problem with that is there is no moral equivalency because there is no equivalency period. The Center for the Study of Political Islam International has done some good work in this area.
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One important point the professor of "the Center of Political Islam" makes that gets left out of these discussions is that Islam is primarily a state more than it is a religion. Basically, the religion does not exist apart from the state historically speaking. It is only in the US, and Western world where we have tentatively tried that, hence the push for Sharia law in Western countries. The State of Islam it's Caliphates, Sharia Laws and courts are not compatible with Western laws and culture, not unless you go the path of Dhimmi Christian Communities like the Copts of Egypt etc.
Besides the work of the previous organization, I would just have to cite my own study of history. The Holocaust has greatly shaped the modern world following World War II, where Genocide is probably considered the worst kind of evil imaginable. But you know Islam has been at the center of Genocide going back to the eradication of the original Jews of Medina, to Tammerlane converting to Islam in the late Middle Ages and killing of millions of people, likely more than Hitler and other despots, and that mass killing greatly impacting Christian ethnic groups in a way just a dramatic or worse than the Holocaust. Besides that the Turkish "secular" Government carried on Islamic policies against it's minorities which would eventually culminate in the "Armenian Genocide", that served as inspiration for Nazis as a "proof of concept" for the future Jewish Holocaust.
OK I'm painting with broad brush strokes here, oversimplifying for posting ease. But in general I am not Apologetic on the Crusades or even past Christian Colonization of Islamic countries. Such things may not be us acting our best, but Bible verses about things about "turning the other cheek" and other Biblical notions can be misapplied that go beyond other Biblical norms and Common sense. Basically, turn the other cheek not a license for abuse, when things are in our care or under our control.
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Jihad Battles Against Classical Civilization
Between 632 and 1922, Islam launched 581 offensive battles against classical civilization. This database was used for the dynamic battle map for the lecture Why We Are Afraid . Forward the video to 7:00 for the content in question.
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One important point the professor of "the Center of Political Islam" makes that gets left out of these discussions is that Islam is primarily a state more than it is a religion. Basically, the religion does not exist apart from the state historically speaking. It is only in the US, and Western world where we have tentatively tried that, hence the push for Sharia law in Western countries. The State of Islam it's Caliphates, Sharia Laws and courts are not compatible with Western laws and culture, not unless you go the path of Dhimmi Christian Communities like the Copts of Egypt etc.
Besides the work of the previous organization, I would just have to cite my own study of history. The Holocaust has greatly shaped the modern world following World War II, where Genocide is probably considered the worst kind of evil imaginable. But you know Islam has been at the center of Genocide going back to the eradication of the original Jews of Medina, to Tammerlane converting to Islam in the late Middle Ages and killing of millions of people, likely more than Hitler and other despots, and that mass killing greatly impacting Christian ethnic groups in a way just a dramatic or worse than the Holocaust. Besides that the Turkish "secular" Government carried on Islamic policies against it's minorities which would eventually culminate in the "Armenian Genocide", that served as inspiration for Nazis as a "proof of concept" for the future Jewish Holocaust.
OK I'm painting with broad brush strokes here, oversimplifying for posting ease. But in general I am not Apologetic on the Crusades or even past Christian Colonization of Islamic countries. Such things may not be us acting our best, but Bible verses about things about "turning the other cheek" and other Biblical notions can be misapplied that go beyond other Biblical norms and Common sense. Basically, turn the other cheek not a license for abuse, when things are in our care or under our control.
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