Nephilim the sons of God?

(Bope)
Thanks I will look into it. When I was a Jehoah's Witness many moons ago, I got something totally different: Skirting the issue. Thanks for the help on this. I sure have a LOT more questions...
Hey Bope, I was a Jehovah's Witness growing up as well. Nice to see you here. They explained this correctly to me, although they didn't do it with much depth like SwampFox has here.(SwampFox)
One would expect that they were wiped out in the flood - but as the verse points out by the phrase "and after that" we see that these beings live on, IMHO, to this very day. I digress a little ways here, but about 8-10 months ago, I was watching a show on the History channel. A team of scientists discussed the fact that this certain strand of DNA was found in all parts of the world. They couldn't explain it but they were also hooking together many of the very mysterious relics and images found in South America of people who share very different characteristics from the natives. It's my firm belief that this strand of the DNA is indeed that of the Nephilim and that these images were of Nephilim as well. Clearly, I cannot scientifically prove this, but I think this is a plausible explanation of this scenario.
This is really interesting stuff. I saw the Nephilim as one of the major reasons the flood had to take place (besides the wickedness of mankind). Other than size and strength, are the Nephilim superior in other ways?

 

appendix 28 of my companion bible says these Nephilim also known as fallen angles were on the earth in Noahs day (wich was the cause of the flood)Gen6:4 and also after that when these fallen ones(angles) found the daughtersof men attractive and had children with them witch resulted giants an men of renown from old the appendix says they were renown for there ungodlinessand confined mostly to an area around Canaan.Gen 14:5 says they were called Rephaim and Emim.In chap.15: 18-21 they are listed among the Canaanite peoples as are Kenites,Hittites,Jebusites,and others.The Israelites were supposed to utterly destroy these peoples.I was taught that the first influx of these fallen ones became so numerousin Noahs time that Noahs family was the only pure line left from Adam so to preserve the line that Jesus would come thru God had to destroy everyone,it says in Gen that they were giving and taking in marriage till the day the floodscame then there was a second influx in Canaan.there will be a thrid influx in the end times Matthew 24:37 as the days of Noah were so shall the Coming of the SON OF MAN BE.how was it in Noahs time they were giving and taking of marriage with fallen angles whom I was taught were the ones who onethird of the angles that rebelled with Satan.I hope I made that understanable if not tell me and Ill try to clarify it.

 

The autobiography of the Tibetan lama Chagdud Tulku (Lord of the Dance, California: Padma Press, 1992, pp. 110–111) contains a fascinating reference to a Tibetan mountain giant and how a seeker of mystical relics was able to come across its remains.While on their way to the monastery of Chudo Gompa in the mountains to witness dancing and ceremonial pageantry, the lama and his retinue came across a stupa marking the site where the legendary hero Gesar had entombed a slain giantess in ages past. A few months prior to Chagdud Tulku’s arrival, he writes, a seeker of treasure and holy relics known as a terton had stopped by the monastery to challenge the assertion that any unknown entity had been buried at that spot long ago. He had it on good authority, as the terton professed to be the incarnation of Shanpa, the hero Gesar’s companion.“I was here when we put her under a big rock by the river,” he challenged the monks, urging them to prove him false by digging at the indicated spot.His challenge was taken up and hasty excavations soon began at a location marked by the terton with a 25-foot circle. The digging took days, but a massive stone disk was found at the bottom; excitedly, the monks summoned the treasure finder to show him the results of their efforts.“He supervised as they wedged poles under the rock to pry it up and support it,” writes Chagdud Tulku, and the monks and their gang of laborers were able to remove the massive remains, “the bones of a giantess whose upper arm had been more than five feet long.” The author adds that these mountain ogres had at once been endemic to the region and feasted on hapless humans until eliminated by the legendary hero. Because this was not an archaeological dig but an effort to ascertain the powers of the treasure hunter, the massive bones were returned to the site of their entombment and the stone disk placed over them once more.At this point we can only wonder if those remains, so carefully buried in a distant age and concealed under a seemingly man-made stone disk, belonged to some extinct animal of the Pleistocene megafauna. Perhaps they were indeed the remains of one of the giants that has haunted human imagination since the dawn of time in every continent and every culture.Who Can Withstand the Sons of Anak?Giants and larger-than-human beings have played a major role in the development of many cultures, harkening back to the Biblical Anakim who occupied certain locations of the land of Canaan, according to the Pentateuch, where the Israelites complain to Moses of their inability to take on the colossal dwellers of the new land, namely Ahiman, Seshai, and Talmai, descendants of the mighty Anak.“The country we explored, they said, will swallow up any who go to live in it. All the people we saw there are men of gigantic size. When we set sight on [the Anakim] we felt no bigger than grasshoppers…” (Numbers 13:32–33). The sense of hopelessness that Moses’s scouting party must have felt at the prospect of fighting these giants is repeated once more: “Our kinsmen have discouraged us by their report of a people bigger and taller than we are, and of great cities with fortifications towering to the sky. And they told us they saw there the descendants of the Anakim” (Deuteronomy 1:28). “Who can withstand the sons of Anak?” they ask despairingly at one point.As if the Anakim weren’t enough, the Israelites had to face Og of Bashan, “the sole survivor of the Rephaim.” The Scriptures tell us that this gargantuan monarch was buried in a basalt sarcophagus measuring 14 feet long by 6 feet wide. But a “devouring fire” (generated perhaps by the Ark of the Covenant?) destroyed the giant Anakim throughout Judah and Israel, leaving isolated survivors in the coastal cities of Gaza, Askalon, and Gath, this latter site perhaps best known as the birthplace of the nine-foot-tall armored giant Goliath who faced the young David. Yet the legendary defeat of this towering presence did not appear to bring an end to the giants in the holy land. The Book of Samuel gives us the names of other colossi, such as Benob and Saph “who died in the battle of Gob,” and an unnamed giant suffering from polydactylism (II Samuel 21:20).Further giant-slaying appears in I Chronicles 20:4–8 when discussing the prowess of King David and his victories against all adversaries: “…Sibecai slew Sipai, of the descendants of the giants…and Elhanan son of Jair slew Lahmi, brother of Goliath, whose spear was as big as a weaver’s beam…these were the descendants of the giants in Gath.”

 

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water on Day 5, abundantly.Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.They are biblically ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.The creatures made from the dust were compatible to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water. Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs - after rain. Gen 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.Like the animals made from the dust, mankind also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet. We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.God created every living creature that moveth, from the water abundaly, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day. Today's arrogant "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of His Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures made from the water on the 5th Day.

 

When Jesus made the creatures, he made them in various "kinds", His kinds. No one knows His classification system except He, Himself. Some theorize that the kinds could be creeping, walking, crawling, flying, etc. kinds. Micro evolution is descent with Modification, within His kind. Descent with modification or Micro evolution happens everytime a baby is born.Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a giant offspring called "LIGER" - see link below....http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cross02a.htmIt really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago.Genesis 6:4 - the sons of God (prehistoricman or mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men, as documented in Genesis 6!!! On the other hand, Macro-Evolution is a Lie and excludes God from His own Creation. No entirely different kind "species" (i.e. fallen angels & human) can produce offspring together. Accordingly, they must be confined to their own kind to produce offspring, as written in the Scripture.God Bless

 

(SwampFox)
I am sorry, but I completely disagree with that statement. It contradicts what the Bible clearly illustrates in 6:4. The sons of God are indeed the nephilim. Why? Because there are no female angels. That's going to step on some toes I am sure, but if you'll look in the Bible, you'll notice that no female angels appear. This is why they are called the sons of God, because in the human race we have females (the daugthers of men; it's a necessity in the world defined by God's laws for us to reproduce).Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.I think you miss that verse when you define things as you have.
Dear SF,I understand your disagreement my friend but perhaps, you need to go back to Genesis 1:20-24 in case you miss reading it or did not understand.Genesis 120 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving CREATURE that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and EVERY LIVING CREATURE that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed THEM (pronoun), saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.These living creatures that were brought forth from the waters included MANKIND -- sometimes describe by some scientist as prehistoric beings but "sons of God" by our Lord. Who do you think God was referring to when he bless "THEM" (pronoun) and told THEM to be fruitful and multiply? Btw, the MAKING of Adam from the dust of the ground (Gen. 2:7) becoming a natural living soul was an entirely different event from the CREATION of A&E in the image and likeness of God, spiritually.Please let me know should you need further explanation.God Bless

 

Mankind changed from "prehistoric" to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us. The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Just like Cain on the 1st earth -- which was completely destroyed -- Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the "sons of God" (mankind who' been inhabiting this planet millions of years ago before Noah arrived) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Evolutionism is odd man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture.Note: "Incest" (w/c is abomination to our Lord) was not part of God' plan in the multiplication process of humanity. Those who assume and tell you otherwise only show that they can NOT understand the Scripture. God Bless

 

Dear SF,Perhaps, you misunderstood my position which was posted on this thread yesterday or this morning.Gen. 1:27 and Gen. 5:1-2 show that Adam & Eve were Created in the image and likeness of God at the SAME time -- long after they've already committed their "original sin" -- long after Cain had already killed Abel. Adam was formed physically, on the 3rd Day, After the 1st Earth and the other Heavens, but Before the plants and herbs of the 3rd Day. This would give Adam and mankind pre-emminance to every other created being. It explains why Adam was Alone, at the beginning of the 6th Day, and named the creatures formed from the Ground, by the hands of Jesus.Therefore, your rebuttal is being negated based on your presumption of my position which is incorrect. Perhaps, you should clarify where I stand first before posting your reply. The theory of "eight day creation" is not supported by the Scripture. The 7th Day God has no end.Cain's generations were completely wipe out by the UNIVERSAL flood.

 

Dear SF,In order for you to understand the book of Genesis, you must first open up your mind to the things I will tell you and listen very carefully.The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow.Genesis 1 is a SUMMARY of the History of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven. It records the History of How the Godhead Created His Perfect, physical, World before its actual completion. Most of the events in the Genesis 1 are past, but some are still future.That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail. What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the 6th Day are still Future. IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.The common mistakes by so many is reading the Genesis 1 as complete history of creation -- not realizing that it included prophecies that are still to be fulfilled .Gen. 1:29 shows us Prophecy that mankind will Eat of Every Tree, which includes the Tree of Life. This prophecy is fulfilled in Heaven. Rev. 22:2 Gen. 1:30 is also future and will be fulfilled when Jesus Returns to this Planet, and the Lion eats Straw as the Ox. Isaiah 11:7When these prophecies are fulfilled, at the end of the present 6th Day, God's Perfect Heaven will be Finished or brought to Perfection. Then, He will Rest or Sabbath, that is, He will Cease "ALL His work which He created and made." Gen. 2:3Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard to comprehend. The only way they will understand is to pray for more wisdom and understanding.Here’s how Adam was formed on the 3rd day based on the Scripture."Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God (YHWH or Jesus) made the earth and the heavens, (Plural)The "Day" is the 3rd Day. One can see this because it is the "Day" in which the "Earth" is made. Gen. 1:9-10 confirms that the "Earth" was made on the 3rd Day.Heavens is Plural and shows that Jesus also made "Heavens", on the 3rd Day. The 1st Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen. 1:6-8 Gen 2 is showing that on the 3rd Day, Jesus made other "Heavens". Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.Further confirmation that these verses are speaking of the 3rd Day, BEFORE the plants, and herbs, which were made on the 3rd Day, according to Gen 1:11-12Why do you suppose Scripture is going into such detail of the events of the 3rd Day? Look and learn...Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Gen 2:4-7 is obviously showing us the "Day" when Adam was formed, physically. Adam and Eve were later Created, in God's Image, on the 6th Day. This is the Spiritual Creation of Adam and Eve, at the same time, on the 6th Day. Gen. 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2.Btw, the “Kenites” have nothing to do with the actual DIRECT generations of Cain as documented in the Scripture (only simile if ever) and based only on your own religious ASSUMPTION, as usual. I would suggest that your’re too fast to judge my post but slower in your spiritual understanding of the Scripture. God Bless

 

(SwampFox)
Given your closing comments, I am going to have to walk away from this one. I've made my point and I'm confident with what I believe in. I'll let others make up their own mind, but what you're saying is simply not supported by the Bible.
Dear SF,Sorry, but the record will show that I support what I post with Scripture contrary to your view. I have provided you with reconcilliation and analogy of Biblical text in question -- in chronological order and contextually supporting each other.Here's another one for your further study....IN THE DAY (very specific time of event) Adam and his generations were created in the image and likeness of God (Gen.1:27;5:1-3) both A&E have already committed their "original sin" and Cain had already killed Abel. The next generation to his image was Seth not Cain.Read and learn...Genesis 51 This is the book of the generations of Adam. IN THE DAY that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:This specific time of event of creation also took place AFTER man began calling the name of the Lord, ref. Genesis 4:26.Therefore, Adam was a made natural living soul on the 3rd day to begin with and sinned with Eve on the 6th day -- before they were forgiven and created in the image and likeness of God, spiritually. Genesis 5:1-3Another Biblical proof for your reference...1Corinthians 1545 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is spiritual.I realize that what I post is controversial, but I also realize that it agrees not only with Scripture, but also with true Science, and History. I do not write the things I write to cause others, problems, but I write to cause others to read and study Scripture, and to see that God's Word is the Truth in every way.God Bless

 

(SwampFox)
Now, please answer my original question. Where does it say that the Kenites are not actually of the line of Cain?
Here's the decesdant of Cain's generation as documented in the Scripture... Genesis 416 And CAIN went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17 And CAIN knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. 21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. 22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. 23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.Now, where do you see that the "Kenites" were part or included in the above generation?(SwampFox)
The last Adam is Jesus Christ my friend who was undeniably made a quickening spirit. Christ was the last of Adam's line that is preserved in the Bible and includes King David's line. Again, you've omitted what the Bible itself says!
Perhaps, what you failed to understand is that -- Jesus is the SOURCE of "THE" quickening Spirit and could not have been made a quickening spirit - because in him is the life giving Spirit.Let me know should you need further explanation.(SwampFox)
Let's post the rest of what's going on here:I Corinthians 15:46-47Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.What you say is indeed quite controversial - so much so that it's disagreeing with what the Bible has to say about it merely a few verses after it!
That is just based on your religious view which I believe to be flawed, anyway. Therefore, I won't take offense. While indeed the first man is earthy and "second man" (not the last Adam spoken in v45) was the Lord from heaven -- it means that no flesh can enter the kindom of God unless you are born again spiritually in the image of Christ. This is exactly the process of being born again, just so you know.