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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by theefaith, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Are they physical or spiritual?
     
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    Luke 24:39, that should answer that.

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  3. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is the new heaven and earth?
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Hope you read the didache I posted then you would have some sound doctrine
     
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    ok, your scriptures.

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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    the church is the new heaven and new earth the new creation in Christ Jesus the heavenly Jerusalem our mother hence holy mother church gal 4
     
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    you still don't get it do you.

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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    get what? Be specific
     
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    In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used for earth as a planet is ʼeʹrets. ʼEʹrets refers to (1) earth, as opposed to heaven, or sky (Ge 1:2); (2) land, country, territory (Ge 10:10); (3) ground, surface of the ground (Ge 1:26); (4) people of all the globe (Ge 18:25).

    The word ʼadha·mahʹ is translated “ground,” “soil,” or “land.” ʼAdha·mahʹ refers to (1) ground as tilled, yielding sustenance (Ge 3:23); (2) piece of ground, landed property (Ge 47:18); (3) earth as material substance, soil, dirt (Jer 14:4; 1Sa 4:12); (4) ground as earth’s visible surface (Ge 1:25); (5) land, territory, country (Le 20:24); (6) whole earth, inhabited earth (Ge 12:3). ʼAdha·mahʹ seems to be related etymologically to the word ʼa·dhamʹ, the first man Adam having been made from the dust of the ground.—Ge 2:7.

    In the Greek Scriptures, ge denotes earth as arable land or soil. (Mt 13:5, 8) It is used to designate the material from which Adam was made, the earth (1Co 15:47); the earthly globe (Mt 5:18, 35; 6:19); earth as a habitation for human creatures and animals (Lu 21:35; Ac 1:8; 8:33; 10:12; 11:6; 17:26); land, country, territory (Lu 4:25; Joh 3:22); ground (Mt 10:29; Mr 4:26); land, shore, as contrasted with seas or waters. (Joh 21:8, 9, 11; Mr 4:1).

    Oi·kou·meʹne, translated “world” in the King James Version, denotes “inhabited earth.”—Mt 24:14; Lu 2:1; Ac 17:6; Re 12:9.

    In each case of all the above senses in which these words are used, the form of the word in the original language, and more particularly the setting or context, determine which sense is meant.
    In the Bible, “heaven” can refer to the physical heavens. (Gen. 11:4; 27:28; Matt. 6:26) But “heaven” is also used in other senses. Sometimes it refers to human rulership. (Dan. 4:20-22) Or it can refer to divine rulership, such as through the Kingdom of God.—Rev. 21:1.

    The connection of the “heavens” with ruling power aids in understanding the meaning of the expression “new heavens and a new earth” found at Isaiah 65:17; 66:22 and quoted by the apostle Peter at 2 Peter 3:13. Observing such relationship, M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopaedia (1891, Vol. IV, p. 122) comments: “In Isa. lxv, 17, a new heaven and a new earth signify a new government, new kingdom, new people.”

    Even as the “earth” can refer to a society of people (Ps 96:1; see EARTH), so, too, “heavens” can symbolize the superior ruling power or government over such “earth.” The prophecy presenting the promise of “new heavens and a new earth,” given through Isaiah, was one dealing initially with the restoration of Israel from Babylonian exile. Upon the Israelites’ return to their homeland, they entered into a new system of things. Cyrus the Great was used prominently by God in bringing about that restoration. Back in Jerusalem, Zerubbabel (a descendant of David) served as governor, and Joshua as high priest. In harmony with Jehovah’s purpose, this new governmental arrangement, or “new heavens,” directed and supervised the subject people. (2Ch 36:23; Hag 1:1, 14) Thereby, as verse 18 of Isaiah chapter 65 foretold, Jerusalem became “a cause for joyfulness and her people a cause for exultation.”

    Peter’s quotation, however, shows that a future fulfillment was to be anticipated, on the basis of God’s promise. (2Pe 3:13) Since God’s promise in this case relates to the presence of Christ Jesus, as shown at verse 4, the “new heavens and a new earth” must relate to God’s Messianic Kingdom and its rule over obedient subjects. By his resurrection and ascension to God’s right hand, Christ Jesus became “higher than the heavens” (Heb 7:26) in that he was thereby placed “far above every government and authority and power and lordship . . . not only in this system of things, but also in that to come.”—Eph 1:19-21; Mt 28:18.

    Christian followers of Jesus, as “partakers of the heavenly calling” (Heb 3:1), are assigned by God as “heirs” in union with Christ, through whom God purposed “to gather all things together again.” “The things in the heavens,” that is, those called to heavenly life, are the first to be thus gathered into unity with God through Christ. (Eph 1:8-11) Their inheritance is “reserved in the heavens.” (1Pe 1:3, 4; Col 1:5; compare Joh 14:2, 3.) They are “enrolled” and have their “citizenship” in the heavens. (Heb 12:20-23; Php 3:20) They form the “New Jerusalem” seen in John’s vision as “coming down out of heaven from God.” (Re 21:2, 9, 10; compare Eph 5:24-27.) Since this vision is initially stated to be of “a new heaven and a new earth” (Re 21:1), it follows that both are represented in what is thereafter described. Hence the “new heaven” must correspond to Christ together with his “bride,” the “New Jerusalem,” and the “new earth” is seen in the ‘peoples of mankind’ who are their subjects and who receive the blessings of their rule, as depicted in verses 3 and 4.
     
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    So you agree it is the church?
     
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    The church are those people with the heavenly calling who are the anointed(saints) christians. When they're resurrected they are resurrected with powerful spiritual bodies given immortality and they inherit incorruption. They will be kings and priests with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom ruling over the earth. This Messianic kingdom with Jesus as king and the anointed(saints) which will number 144,000 is the New Heaven(rulership from heaven) that will rule over the New Earth, which is a new society of people which consist of those righteous people who past through the great tribulation and Armageddon unharmed right into the New Earth. It will also consist of all those resurrected during the 1000 year reign of Jesus, which will number in the billions.
    So the New Heaven is that heavenly Messianic kingdom that Jesus is king of, along with the 144,000 who have been bought from the Earth to be kings and priests in that Messianic kingdom with Jesus. They will rule over the New Earth with Jesus forever. The New Earth is that new society of people who are made up of those who are righteous who past through the great tribulation and Armageddon and those who are resurrected back on earth during the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Both. The "... former things have passed away" Rev. 21:4
    The first heaven (universe) and first earth will be destroyed.
    "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10
    The New Jerusalem is describes in Rev. 21:11-27. Does this sound like anything man can construct?
    Our new bodies will be like Jesus' body, multi-dimensional, both spiritual and physical.
     
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    I disagree that the physical universe including our planet Earth will be destroyed.
     
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    but they new heavens and earth and new Jerusalem came 2000 yrs ago???
     
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    Okay, I guess your interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10 and Rev. 21:4 is different.
     
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    How is it that we are a new creation in Christ? And the new Jerusalem IS our mother?
     
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    Really, did you read Rev. 21:11-27?
    Does that sound like anything on earth?
    Aside from the descriptions of city being made of precious jewels, streets of gold, giant pearly gates, no need for the sun or moon since God's illumination wil be the light, it is huge, 1400 miles x 1400 miles x 1400 miles.
    That is not the earth as we can tell.
     
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    It’s spiritual
    The holy mother church gal 4
    We are a new creation in christ
     
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    It's both, those are all physical things we are familiar with. Granted heaven might appear like earth only perfect and more colorful, but it has substance, just an extradimensional realm. You can walk the streets, touch the jewels, see the Lord and give Him a hug and eat of the fruit of the trees.
     
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    Does the scripture 2Peter 3: 7,10 mean that the literal planet Earth is to be consumed by fire, then the literal heavens (the stars and other heavenly bodies) are also to be destroyed by fire. I believe such a literal view, conflicts with the assurance contained in such scriptures as Matthew 6:10, Psalm 37:29 and 104:5, also Proverbs 2:21, 22.

    At Genesis 11:1, First Kings 2:1, 2, First Chronicles 16:31, Psalm 96:1, etc., the term “earth” is used in a figurative sense, referring to mankind, to human society. I believe that's the case at 2 Peter 3:7, 10.

    Note that, in the context, at 2 Peter 3:5, 6 and also 2:5, 9, a parallel is drawn with the Flood of Noah’s day, in which wicked human society was destroyed, but Noah and his household, as well as the globe itself, were preserved. Likewise, at 2 Peter 3:7 it says that the ones to be destroyed are “ungodly men.” The view that “the earth” here refers to wicked human society fully agrees with the rest of the Bible, as is illustrated by the scriptures cited above. It is that symbolic “earth,” or wicked human society, that is “discovered”; that is, Jehovah will sear away as by fire all disguise, exposing the wickedness of ungodly human society and showing it to be worthy of complete destruction. That wicked society of humans is also “the first earth,” referred to at Revelation 21:1 (KJ).

    Consistently, Jesus’ expression at Luke 21:33 (“heaven and earth will pass away, but . . . ”) must be understood in the light of the parallel statement at Luke 16:17 (“it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than . . . ”), both of which simply emphasize the impossibility of the situations presented. This is also true at Matthew 5:18. So Jesus’ words here could be understood as hyperbole, meaning that even if the impossible happened and heaven and earth did pass away, Jesus’ words would still be fulfilled. This is because the True God created the physical universe including Earth(Heaven and Earth) to exist forever. Psalms 104:5; Ecclesiastes 1:4; Matt.6:10; Psalms 37:29

    At Revelation 21:4
    God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” (Revelation 21:4) What kind of tears will he wipe out? Neither tears of joy nor the tears that protect our eyes. God’s promise refers to tears caused by suffering and sorrow. God will not merely dry off such tears; he will wipe them out completely by removing the causes of unwanted tears—suffering and sorrow.

    “Death will be no more.” (Revelation 21:4) What has caused more unwanted tears than the enemy death? Jehovah will release obedient humans from the grip of death. How? By eliminating the real cause of death: sin inherited from Adam. (Romans 5:12) Jehovah will lift obedient humans to perfection on the basis of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. Then the last enemy, death, will be “brought to nothing.” (1 Corinthians 15:26) Faithful humans will be able to live as God purposed for them to live—forever in perfect health.

    “Neither will . . . pain be anymore.” (Revelation 21:4) What kind of pain will be no more? All the mental, emotional, and physical pain that has resulted from sin and imperfection and made life miserable for countless millions will be no more.

    A life without tears, death, and pain will soon be a reality. ‘But where?’ you may ask. ‘Is God’s promise perhaps about life in heaven?’ No. Consider why not. First, the promise is introduced with the words “the tent of God is with mankind,” and mankind lives on earth. (Revelation 21:3) Second, the promise describes a world where “death will be no more”—a world where death once existed but will cease to exist. Death has never existed in heaven, but it has had a long existence here on earth. Clearly, then, God’s promise of a better life will be fulfilled right here on earth.
     
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