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New world order?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Josho, Sep 18, 2021.

  1. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    Hitler was an anti-Christ in fact. but what is interesting is the what he worked the games of deceptions over a people, what a Master ! but so was Stalin in his mastery of duping a backward people.
    But Hitler was playing a game of duping the most educated people in the world.
    The UK was led astray as well in the game and the USA was played as well and not to mention how easy led into a war that the people did not want to get involved with.
    One thing in all that was the MSM peddle propaganda just like they do with Covid winding the people up to be played with. But who can question them ? Hitler's Media were just like what we have now, Owned by the enemy who is working in undermining you all. It's not a free Press Media that is truly serving the people at all. it's not open to all peoples views to be expressed, it shuts such questioning down in fact.
     
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    Agree…we’ve got a big problem with the media today. They’re almost worse than the Pollies. Put them together and we’ve got trouble.
    Everyone gets incensed if you try and correlate what’s happening now with Nazi Germany. And yes, what happened under Hitler was so, so horrible, and we’re just not there. But they forget…it had to GET there somehow. Germany didn’t just wake up to Hitler and dead camps and the citizenry being okay with it. They got there through a process…a process of reasoning and attitudes. And we are seeing them again, and that’s concerning. People are justifying the vilification of a whole people group just because they don’t want to get a vaccine. That’s not okay. I mean…I got the darn thing. Health reasons, it was my choice. But I’ll stand up and fight for those to be able to choose NOT to take it. We have to, else we’re sliding down that slope again. It can’t be allowed.
     
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    Yes but most Germans did not know anything about the death camps in fact, I know that the media and new movies peddle that pathetic rubbish, but the world only woke up to that after the war, but W Churchill knew about such and did nothing in fact and so did the USA President and the Pope but they all did not exposes it. The MSM did not expose it as well.

    So they were all set up ! just as the whole world was set up. regardless of any Nation, just as it is now ! remember that Jesus said, I am not of this world ? Not to mention that's why this world hated Jesus Christ and tried to kill him. because they do not want to be exposed because they love the darkness and hate the Light. This world I full of deceptions and delusions.
     
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    Folks have been working on a new world order for a long time now. The league of nations was a first attempt, but it failed. The United Nations is a bit more successful.
    If you have a US dollar bill around, you can see an unfinished pyramid on the back topped by the eye of Horus (an Egyptian god.) There's a banner that says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" which means "a new order of the ages" and some of our Presidents have spoken openly about forming a new world order.
    The concern of many Christians is that the new world order represents the rebellion of Satan, leading to the rise of the antichrist. I'm inclined to agree.
     
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    Well…perhaps they did not know of what, precisely, was happening to the Jews, but they would have been aware that they were hunted, they were not to be sheltered, protected, supported, etc. Be it their own fear or compliance, so many of those people turned their backs on a whole people group, for simple being. So…we know it can happen. And, the thing is, we mustn’t suppose all folks in Germany were evil, all SS Nazi’s. We tend to, I think, brush it off like that in our thinking, because it helps us understand how and why they would have done, or allowed or excused things like that. But these people were just like us. But they followed a certain path, believed certain lies…and before they knew it, they either had believed the lies whole, or were then facing the sort of beast that would swallow them whole for opposing it.
     
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    In the US the left is scapegoating the right and the right is scapegoating the left. In the media, Christian conservatives are lumped together with Nazis and Klansmen as the far right and our educators on the left want to teach critical race theory, which pretty much scapegoats caucasians for all the world's evil.
    In the US, besides the political divide, the younger generations want to blame the "boomers" for everything and the boomers want to point a finger at the millenials. In the end, every man's hand will be lifted against each other.
    Seems to me that it's like a long walk off a short pier, but as the world's travail intensifies fingers will increasingly be pointed at God and His people.
     
  7. Reggie Belafonte

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    One can point to some people as just only simpletons regardless, is one point that we see every were all the time. that they can not see past their own nose. as they are totally ignorant on a subject or brainwashed and just going along with the crowd, the union etc. they don't question anything in fact.
    One would think that the Jews were a cute cuddly people back in the days and we have been exposed to just the same indoctrination nonsense with the Australian Aboriginals in being just cut cuddly people and the same with the Native Americans are portrayed in the same light.
    So only one part of the puzzle is exposed and the other is hidden from the topic, it's taboo !!! to bring up that part of the story because the great lies will be exposed that the devils use, they are creating delusions ! they use delusions to push their craft for their own ends. you are not allowed to think for yourself ? or you come under there attacks of malice.

    Now how about advertising ? do you understand what advertising is all about ? how and what is it that they are trying to do in such ? what is it that they are trying to do ? make it sound good ? is their any deceptions, could their be ! why did they have to advertise ? because the product are not good enough to sell on it's own merit ? A legal company advertising :rolleyes: must be that bad, that word of mouth does not suffice. such is all an art work of deception.

    The Jews were not trusted much all through history because they have always worked to undermine all people, they have no concept of Grace so everyone is to be used like cattle, that's what they call you. they despise all Goyim and Jesus Christ in fact. and they will work to undermine all that they can.
    History proves that They have destroyed every Nation that took them in and that's why they were kicked out time and time again all through history, they push the brothels, Casinos, they bastardise and corrupt the people turning them into a Godless people who lack Grace in Christ Jesus. The seeds of there craft can be seen all around us. they are an anti-Christ ! anti Grace ! worldly morons.
    Fact is that they are not worthy of the name Israel at all.

    Remember who got the Name Israel and why that was so ?
    Well well the church nowadays sure as hell does not want to point the facts of that out, they peddle that the Jews are Israel now :rolleyes:.
    Bible says Jesus pointed out that Nathaniel was a true Israelite in fact and why, because he was worthy of the title in fact, just as Jacob was, but your bastardised Church will not point out the facts nowadays, because they are totally corrupt and owned, they sold out Jesus Christ, to peddle a religion ? religion never saved anyone Soul, only Christ Jesus can do that.

    The Church now claims that the Jews are our big brother :rolleyes: that's a outright lie ! they are like the prodigal Son if anything. such a one is in fact devoid of God, because they are fools devoid of Gods Grace. everything they do they destroy just like any Godless bastard does.

    Just look around you and ask yourself why have we been undermined and sold out, people living a Godless live like a creep show under such deceptions, that's Satan's plan ! so why do so called Christians swallow it all then.

    Mention Jesus Christ to the bastards and see the anger that is typical of Savages ! who truly do not have a clue what Grace is, they claim such is worldly grace but such is only twofaced bastardry.
     
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    As you may see, I am not happy with the way that people nowadays clearly reject Christ Jesus and openly or are so deceptive of such and love this world.
    This world is the one that killed Christ Jesus. A true Christian is bigger than that of this world.
     
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    You know; you clearly have a lot of anger on this issue…and there is much underlying here I cannot understand.
    I cannot share your views.
    The simple fact is: the “Jews” are people. I don’t care if they reject Christ. So does the world. That makes them ripe for the gospel and the great commission.
    As Christians it is appalling for us to hate any person for any reason. Unacceptable. We do not need to let people use us or abuse us, but there is no way we can take what Christ teaches in scripture and justify hating anyone, for any reason. Every person in the world, no matter what they have done, or ‘who’ they belong to, are to be considered as ‘lost sheep’ and viewed as a soul worthy to be won for Christ.
    I do pray that Christ eases both anger and pain that you clearly have.
     
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    Not sure if anyone said this but if you look at Revelation, the "Babylon" we thought to be America or whatever else, the characteristics of Babylo show itself to be a major political power and really represent the new world order, and if the World Economic Forum wasn't actually talking about it and actually calling it that, or leaders in Australia, I would have swept it under the rug.

    Whether or not it actually is Babylon, I have no idea, but worth reading the commentaries that describe who Babylon is.
     
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    Anger ? disapproving of they who tell lies.

    If you read the Bible you would find out what God hates ? and I agree with the Bible. try looking such up.

    If one was to do wrong ? bash an old woman for her pension money, see such as that at times and can tell you the story's if you want. lovely kids you got to love there motives ?
    Where I once lived, next door got robbed she was an old woman living alone, so I ran after the grub only to be confronted with say 20 brat kids girls and boys, all who knew how the law works and they threatened me, as the robber spinning total nonsense. now that type of workings is a pox that is everywhere nowadays. because such as that it's all been let to fester in fact. Them brats were empowered by the law in fact.

    Maybe a rolled up newspaper smashed into such persons face do wonders for them ? maybe not ! but how about the 2ed of 3rd time, sometimes one has to be that way to truly be kind. Remember that line in the sand ? you are taught not to cross over that line or you will reap what you sow, one who wants to challenge ? by going past the line, should be dealt with. because they took it on themselves to cross the line.

    You want licence to do the wrong thing ?

    Wrong is wrong regardless.

    The word is called Malice ? one should do no malice to others. but moronic people like such should not be let running loose. if actions that they take inflict like a pox on society. remember what someone said about the Body ? so it's not a free for all like you are claiming because such is doing injury to Christ and there Soul. remember what Jesus said about even the ones who say lord lord ? for Jesus will say that he never knew you ? So worldly works don't cut it.
    There is a Line !
     
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    There is a revival happening now in Israel. Record numbers of Jews are coming to their Messiah! Because of the internet, the religious authorities cannot stop the truth from getting out. It makes me so happy to hear this that it brings tears to my eyes!
    God loves all of us!
     
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    I think it’s one thing to call out the certain behaviour or sin that God condemns, but another entirely to point ones finger at an entire race and sledge them. Which is what you seemed to do. Because, while you may not recognise their ‘offical Israel’ status, you still seem happy to label them Jewish.

    And for all that God calls out their wickedness in scripture…something, I might add, he is qualified to do as both God and Israel’s husband, there is also passage after passage about his unfailing love, faithfulness and covenant with them. His promise not to forsake them. If their sin is against God…and not you…and God will ultimately call them back to himself…ironically THROUGH us (Romans 11), then how do you justify insulting and rejecting them? For sins that you yourself commit? Didn’t Jesus inform us that we ourselves fail to uphold the law? When he tells us that to hate a man is to have murdered? To have looked with lust is to have committed adultery? His whole point there is that we, like Israel, fail to keep God’s precepts.
    So to dismiss a people God calls his own, loves “for the sake of the forefathers” and has plans to draw back to himself…I would be wary as to how I felt free to condemn them when it is only grace alone that saves us from being in the exact same place.

    Absolutely there is a line. It’s called Judgment Day, the Great White Throne. And we are not sitting upon that Throne.
    Look…as Christians we do not need to accept of condone evil. We speak out against it. We be salt…we speak truth. But to speak hate, judgment and ultimate dismissal on anyone…including a race of people, regardless of what they’ve done or been accused of doing…is wrong, because it is unbiblical.


    Look…we are not responsible for other peoples good or bad actions or attitudes. We are responsible for ours. We can look at scripture and see what God loves and hates, as you say. It is not our job to hate the people who might end up in hell. It is our job to show them Christ. Because they might be our future brothers or sisters in him. It is God’s job to ultimately judge what he hates. But for us, to speak bile to those who are simply lost, as we were before grace opened our eyes…it is not biblical, its just hypocritical.
     
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    Are Jews a race ? No !
    One who has read or studied the Bible will know that the Jews are but only one of the Tribes of the Semitic people in fact, but being a Semite has nothing to do with it at all at the end of the day, it all comes down to was and is that you were "born again of the Holy Spirit". as apart from such one is a nothing dupe fool, that is lead by Satan's world.

    Israel ? do you even know what it means, now if you knew truly devout Jewish people you would know that they do not claim that the State is Israel, only simple minded people claim that it is Israel, the truly devout Jews hope it will become Israel, did you know that.

    The truly devout Jews live by the OT and they who don't are not worthy of making any claim in fact. it's just like people who claim to be Christians and they are the ones who say lord lord, but Jesus will say that he never knew them, in fact. So you see just because of anyone etc making claims means nothing to God ! such may have value in this corrupt world, as they may be able to fool them of this world, but not God !

    At the end of the day Wrong is wrong regardless, under the light of the Truth. Nowadays we have a creepy new age Christianity that accepts lies openly and leaves people devoid of Jesus Christ in fact, for they are making their own world religion based on deceptions, because they are of this world. a septic tank. what do they call it hug the flee.
    Stupid Priest nowadays devoid of Christ Jesus are every were idolising grubs because they are grubs themselves, they cover up for child molesters or are themselves hiding like a bed bug. they have no virtue in fact because they abide in a septic tank.

    Grace ! ? do you understand what Grace is all about, Grace is not what carnal people claim in fact, because they would not understand Grace if they fell over such.
    It means a favour or a gift, it's an interior strength infused by God.
    Paul says it 110 times to which we have no claim whatsoever.
    It's a supernatural gift of God to an intellectual creature, bestowed with a view to eternal life. God enlightens the mind or strengthens the will to produce. and I am but only touching on the subject so far.

    I am not rejecting or insulting they who you claim at all in fact, because if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, so be it I will call it out for what it is. if the shoe fits ? why should one have to feel like one is surrounded by fascist types who work to criticizes all others like your new age dolts are peddling, is that not what they did to Jesus ?
    The new age are only Religious just like the cursed Jews in fact, as Religion never Saved anyone Soul, only Christ Jesus does that. they are on a religious works program of man and they are poor idolising dupes, when the fact is that only Jesus Christ saves, as there is only one way and the ones who were Worthy of the title "Israel" 2000 years ago came to understand who Jesus was in fact, but the others were not worthy at all in fact. such as that recipe does not change.
     
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    To find out who dominates over you, just simply look to whom you are not allowed to criticize.
     
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    I think you are fundamentally mistaking how I’m getting behind the term “Jews” or “Israel”.
    I am neither claiming that the Nation/state of Israel is righteous simply because they are Jewish, nor am I claiming that because of their specific blood they will automatically be saved. I am not even claiming that they are able to track their tribes.
    I’m saying none of that matters. Their ‘race’ has been enough to have them reviled and persecuted regardless of behaviour or blood purity. Whatever their beliefs, or the specifics of their ‘blood’, they have been hated by the world. You claim its because they ‘work to undermine people, reject Christ, they bastardise and corrupt people…that they are worldly morons’.
    And indeed, some of them may be just like that…they’re people, and people are capable of those things, and worse. But to categorise a whole people group…say they are all like that, and that’s why they’ve received the treatment they have….well…that’s the EXACT same feelings and justification that led to these people receiving the treatment they did.
    Which is abhorrent from anyone, but especially so for someone who wants to try and lecture me on what ‘grace’ means.

    You want to know how I see the Jewish people? They’re people. Some of them are decent people. Some are criminals. Some are Christians. Most of them are just living their lives, trying to get along with others. And all of them…ALL of them…need Jesus. And just like there was a promise to Abraham, long ago, that we Gentiles would be ‘bought in’…so too Paul has told us that ‘for the sake of the forefathers’, God will ‘save all Israel’. Now…whether you think that’s a large majority of the Nation today, or a totality of the people across time, the fact remains that a decent proportion of those you are calling wicked, corrupt, morons are “beloved for the sake of the forefathers”.

    Grace was shown to you, while you were still a long way off in your sins. It would have been a shame if God had called you a wicked moron and decided not to waste his time. The nature of grace is that we were ALL wicked…that we ALL needed grace. To dismiss and scoff while you sit IN grace shows an immaturity that saddens me.
     
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    At the end of the day it does not matter what you think, it's all about Jesus Christ ! not this world. but the Kingdom of God ! outside of that is nothing but delusions and deceptions in fact. so such people are under a curse in fact.
    You should not be a friend of this world because it's cursed.

    I have a Jewish sir name and I get idiots all the time spinning nonsense to me, making stupid pathetic claims and trying to dominate over me and I am like hang on their my worldly religious friend I am not of your world. I do not care for what they think or claim because I know far better then they do on any subject that they want to spin, I will wipe the floor with them. I do not give a rats what ones so called race is. True Christianity is not about race, it's about the biggest subject of all, Jesus Christ in fact ! that's were it begins and that's were it ends in fact. it's all about Jesus Christ, they may learn something if they truly took such in.

    This world reaps what it sows ok ! at the end of the day that's the facts. the Jews fell on their arse every time through history that they turned their backs on God in fact. now as it is said, you reap what you sow ? understand that, it's Biblical.

    Look Jesus Christ came so that you all would have Life ? Abundantly ! do you understand that in what it truly is, The Kingdom of God ! not of this world of deceptions or such delusions that are cursed under this world. Remember Jesus said that he was not of this world ? who is barking up the wrong tree ?

    Israel is the Servants of God. remember Nathaniel and all what Jesus said about him and all ? that's the Key to a true Israelite in fact. and what did Jesus say that he would see ? look into it ! for if you do not understand that, one is not worthy of God.
    Nathaniel is the epitome of a true Israelite in fact as he is true Israel in fact, just like Jacob became Israel. it was bestowed on him by an Angel and Nathaniel it was bestowed by Jesus Christ himself for crying out loud ! so don't just dismiss the fact. most priest will not go their because the people may wake up to find that not all Jews were worthy of such a Title.

    Worthy Jews of the OT who believe in and follow Holy Moses are just like baptised Christians are in a way, as they are hoping for the blessing of being truly born again of the Holy Spirit, as that's were it all starts and ends.

    Sadly most so called Jews of today are not worthy of the OT let alone Holy Moses, but as for them who are peddling the Talmud they are worse and even more deranged than Islam.
    Most fools claim that all Jews are the same, fact is that they are not, remember the Golden Calf Mob ? most so called Christians are bowing down to the Golden Calf Mob, only the idiots don't know it.
     
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    1st: I don’t think you’ve actually heard, or comprehended a thing I’ve said. How you’ve replied would suggest strongly what I’ve said just whistled straight past you.
    2nd: do you even listen to yourself? You claim Christ is ‘all that matters’, but then you say things that show your un-Christ-like attitude and behaviour. Believing in truth and rightness is all well and good. Being nasty and dismissive while you’re at it, makes you simply a clashing gong.
    So, I’m going to step away from this conversation. It’s not doing any good; you’re not hearing me, and it’s clearly not edifying anyone.
     
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    When he was running for he office, candidate Donald Trump would often invoke a phrase, law and order.

    I see the NWO to refer to a new global political construct. One that reigns by law to estabish a new order of things.

    In America and perhaps around the world it seems as if Communism is going to make a resurgence. With a few tweeks here and there.
     
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    I understand you do not understand because you are of this world.
    I understand you easy as I have heard all that worldly baloney you are spruiking for years and any Atheist could follow such as your line of thought easy as, I know plenty who do. stiff necked the Bible says.

    Such people do not know who Jesus Christ truly is, I lived that garbage in the Churches for years, until I was born again ? that means I know him and he knows me because I abide in him, but not of mans works, because such is of this world, as all such is but as filthy rags. you must come out from them, because they do not have the Light, only Jesus Christ is the Light and the well spring of Life in abundance and it's all in Jesus Christ, everything. outside of him is nonsense.
    Did you know that true Christians are his body and that he is the head.
    When one is in Christ then you have come home in his body as one.
    There is nothing outside of Jesus Christ that is worthy of jack, as such outside is of delusions and deceptions of this world.

    Jesus said to Saul ? why .............................. ? do you understand what he said. Saul got the message and became Paul because of it, do you know why that is ?

    No ones Church Saves your Soul, only Jesus Christ Saves, it's of the Holy Spirit that you come to abide in him.
     
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