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Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by theefaith, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    No one has authority to read or study scripture for himself and form his own doctrine!

    We must be taught by the church of Christ!
    Lk 1:4 instructed:
    Matt 28:19 church of apostles commanded to teach all nations:
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    But of course if the the Holy Spirit has directed a person to read and study the scripture while being led by the Holy Spirit he surely must do that!
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    but doctrine must be revealed by God and taught by His church Matt 28:19
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Where do you see the word "church" in there?

    "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
    And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
    And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matt 28:16-19

    He was speaking to the eleven disciples:

    maqhthvß Mathetes (math-ay-tes');
    Word Origin: Greek, Noun Masculine, Strong #: 3101

    1. a learner, pupil, disciple

    Are not all of us who believe in God and His Son, disciples? Are not all of us learners? If you agree that all disciples are the Church, then are we not as part of the Church being obedient to Him when we are led by the Holy Spirit?
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Christ and His church are one acts 22:9
    Matt 16:18 18:18
    The apostles have the guarantee of truth and the Holy Spirit Jn 8:32 16:13
     
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    You did not answer my direct questions. I have read all of the verses you mention but alone to me they do not support your OP. If you didn't want to discuss it, why did you even start the thread? A blog might have served your purpose better...
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    sorry
    Christ and His apostles form the church
    The new covenant
     
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    And those who meet together and warm the pews are never part of the formed Church?
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    In union with Christ thru faith and baptism yes

    and taught by Christ and His holy church
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Well at least your opinion seems to be honestly Catholic. You are interested in teaching and preaching without real discussion so I'll have to bow out. I have already been in that place.
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    I’m not an apostle
    I can only inform
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Well then do what you think you must, but for me the road toward God is elsewhere!

    "Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.
    When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek." Psalm 27:7-8

     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    there is only one s only one church of Christ

    There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
    Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

    1 Timothy 3:15
    But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    Christ and His church are one: acts 22:9 why persecute me?
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    I gave a ride to a stranger the other night and he asked me where I went to church...without thinking I said I am the church....he said yes, I know what you are saying.
     
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    There are probably more people than we know who would know exactly what we were talking about... Even some Catholics and others who won't go that way in conversation may also know. God knows!
    Give God the glory!
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    yes but the church has the keys or authority from Christ

    matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


    The authority of the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

    Lk 10:16
    He who hears you hears me...

    John 13:20
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Jesus Christ does not abandon His holy bride! Matt 28:19-20

    Moral authority:
    (Teaching)
    Necessity of being taught by Christ:
    Two edge sword:

    Jurisdictional authority:
    (Governing / administering)

    Spiritual authority:
    (Life of Grace)
    Sacraments

    1 Timothy 3:15
    But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
     
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    but rome is the one that killed Christ.
    its strange that rome can kill Jesus, make a church and then tell people they are the church and people really buy into it.
     
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    Jim B Active Member

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    Matthew 16:18 is often cited as though at that moment Jesus gave Peter a new name, meaning rock. However, Peter had that name long before: As he was walking by the Sea of Galilee he saw two brothers, Simon (called Peter) and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea (for they were fishermen). (Matthew 4:18; also Matthew 10:2 and Matthew 16:16 and Matthew 17:25) Jesus created a play on the meaning of the name that Peter already had previously.
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Elsewhere?

    jn 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

    68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

    69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    jn 10:16 there is only one flock!
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    not his name but his office

    The authority of the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

    Lk 10:16
    He who hears you hears me...

    John 13:20
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Jesus Christ does not abandon His holy bride! Matt 28:19-20

    Moral authority:
    (Teaching)
    Necessity of being taught by Christ:
    Two edge sword:

    Jurisdictional authority:
    (Governing / administering)

    Spiritual authority:
    (Life of Grace)
    Sacraments
     
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