As errant doctrines are out there in the world regarding Mary, there is a heresey floating around most of the non-Catholic churches being left unchallenged and that is the idea of honoring Mary. Nowhere does it say to honor Mary; not from Jesus, nor from the letters written to the early churches. For such a practise to begin, it would have been written as such after the ascension of Jesus when Mary was still alive. So where is the early devotion when she was alive? Nowhere in sight.The initial idea came from the angel greeting Mary, but the angel went on to say why she would be considered blessed. In other words, the angel announced that she was blessed because of the Saviour being born through her. The angel was not exalting her, because the "saviour" was going to be born through Her. Do note that the angel did not say go forth and tell everyone that they are to bless her or to honor her, did he? He just said that she was blessed among women and why: Immanuel shall be born as in meaning "God with us" which apparently is what Jesus means when you compare Matthew 1:Matthew 1: 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Thus we go to Mary's account in how the name of Jesus "declared God with us" as that giving her cause to glory God for what He has done to her.Luke 1: 26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.The other idea of honoring Mary was from her magnificat, a song she was singing, but that was her song, not issuing a commandment. She was singing why generations would call her blessed, because of what God did to her. In other words, she believed she would be considered blessed because of the Saviour being born through her. She was not exalting herself, because the "saviour" was going to be born through Her.More proof as to we are not to honor Mary: read how Jesus redirected that woman's focus when she was blessing His mother.Luke 11: 27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.So what is hearing the word of God and keeping it? As you read the following scriptures, do note that is how we shall be judged by.John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.So the moment we stop honoring the Son, we are no longer honoring the Father. Again, when we honor Mary, we are no longer honoring the Father. Mary is not down here to receive that honor and amazingly enough, the early churches did not practise it when she was alive for there has been no pilgrimage to her residence or instrcutions on proper visitation of Mary, was there? I am sure many believers did consider her "blessed", but that is a far cry from honoring her.So how important that we not honor Mary, but honor the Son? If we cease to acknowledge the Son, we deny the Father.1 John 2: 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. And how is this honoring Mary can seduce people?John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Since this is a common saying among catholics that they do not worship Mary, but honor her, let us see how it leads to seduction of turning "Mary" into a thief by putting her between the believer and Jesus. We turn to their catechism."Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494 "Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Pg. 303, #1172"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." Pg. 252, #969“From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of `Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs...” Pg. 253, #971 “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One... May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise.” Pg. 644, #2677 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things." Pg. 252, #966Not only does her magificat declared her need for the Saviour, but she was a good wife to Joseph.Matthew 1: 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Matthew 13: 54And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?Mark 6: 1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.That's two accounts. Those are two witnesses. Now I implore all non-Catholic churches and believers to not to honor Mary. If we are to abstain from all appearances of evil, then let us not be identified by the heresy that is surrounding Mary as apparitions has developed followers of Mary while the Catholic Church supports this "worship" by their own catechism.Again, to honor Mary, is not to honor God in that way. Honor the Son, then you are honoring the Father. Since some catholics do not believe they are worshipping Mary, but just honoring her, then let us not honor her, but honor the Son only, thereby honoring the Father... so that none may go astray by this practise of honoring Mary which is not commanded in the Bible to do, but indeed, has declared otherwise so as to honor the Father through the Son only. Amen.
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As errant doctrines are out there in the world regarding Mary, there is a heresey floating around most of the non-Catholic churches being left unchallenged and that is the idea of honoring Mary. Nowhere does it say to honor Mary; not from Jesus, nor from the letters written to the early churches. For such a practise to begin, it would have been written as such after the ascension of Jesus when Mary was still alive. So where is the early devotion when she was alive? Nowhere in sight.The initial idea came from the angel greeting Mary, but the angel went on to say why she would be considered blessed. In other words, the angel announced that she was blessed because of the Saviour being born through her. The angel was not exalting her, because the "saviour" was going to be born through Her. Do note that the angel did not say go forth and tell everyone that they are to bless her or to honor her, did he? He just said that she was blessed among women and why: Immanuel shall be born as in meaning "God with us" which apparently is what Jesus means when you compare Matthew 1:Matthew 1: 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Thus we go to Mary's account in how the name of Jesus "declared God with us" as that giving her cause to glory God for what He has done to her.Luke 1: 26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.The other idea of honoring Mary was from her magnificat, a song she was singing, but that was her song, not issuing a commandment. She was singing why generations would call her blessed, because of what God did to her. In other words, she believed she would be considered blessed because of the Saviour being born through her. She was not exalting herself, because the "saviour" was going to be born through Her.More proof as to we are not to honor Mary: read how Jesus redirected that woman's focus when she was blessing His mother.Luke 11: 27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.So what is hearing the word of God and keeping it? As you read the following scriptures, do note that is how we shall be judged by.John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.So the moment we stop honoring the Son, we are no longer honoring the Father. Again, when we honor Mary, we are no longer honoring the Father. Mary is not down here to receive that honor and amazingly enough, the early churches did not practise it when she was alive for there has been no pilgrimage to her residence or instrcutions on proper visitation of Mary, was there? I am sure many believers did consider her "blessed", but that is a far cry from honoring her.So how important that we not honor Mary, but honor the Son? If we cease to acknowledge the Son, we deny the Father.1 John 2: 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. And how is this honoring Mary can seduce people?John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Since this is a common saying among catholics that they do not worship Mary, but honor her, let us see how it leads to seduction of turning "Mary" into a thief by putting her between the believer and Jesus. We turn to their catechism."Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494 "Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Pg. 303, #1172"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." Pg. 252, #969“From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of `Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs...” Pg. 253, #971 “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One... May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise.” Pg. 644, #2677 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things." Pg. 252, #966Not only does her magificat declared her need for the Saviour, but she was a good wife to Joseph.Matthew 1: 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Matthew 13: 54And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?Mark 6: 1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.That's two accounts. Those are two witnesses. Now I implore all non-Catholic churches and believers to not to honor Mary. If we are to abstain from all appearances of evil, then let us not be identified by the heresy that is surrounding Mary as apparitions has developed followers of Mary while the Catholic Church supports this "worship" by their own catechism.Again, to honor Mary, is not to honor God in that way. Honor the Son, then you are honoring the Father. Since some catholics do not believe they are worshipping Mary, but just honoring her, then let us not honor her, but honor the Son only, thereby honoring the Father... so that none may go astray by this practise of honoring Mary which is not commanded in the Bible to do, but indeed, has declared otherwise so as to honor the Father through the Son only. Amen.
Wow, that post was very long-winded. I'll just say this: I thought one of the 10 commandments was "Honor your mother and father?". It doesn't say, honor only your earthly father and mother. Mary was Jesus' mother........Jesus honored her.......why shouldn't we imitate Christ and honor His mother? No, the bible doesn't specifically say you have to honor Mary. But it also doesn't say, you are NOT allowed to honor Mary. So why is it such a bad thing to honor Mary? Aren't Protestants the ones who are always claiming to have such a firm grasp of scripture? And answer me this, why does everyond that I know that has a true devotion to the Blessed Mother have such a tremendous love for Christ as well? If Mary really is a false idol who's trying to bring people away from Her Son (like many Evangelicals believe), then she really stinks at it
Again I ask: Show me where in the bible it says you are not to specifically honor Mary? If you can't find the passage, there isn't one single Protestant who should be having problems with Catholics honoring the Mother of God
As errant doctrines are out there in the world regarding Mary, there is a heresey floating around most of the non-Catholic churches being left unchallenged and that is the idea of honoring Mary. Nowhere does it say to honor Mary; not from Jesus, nor from the letters written to the early churches. For such a practise to begin, it would have been written as such after the ascension of Jesus when Mary was still alive. So where is the early devotion when she was alive? Nowhere in sight.The initial idea came from the angel greeting Mary, but the angel went on to say why she would be considered blessed. In other words, the angel announced that she was blessed because of the Saviour being born through her. The angel was not exalting her, because the "saviour" was going to be born through Her. Do note that the angel did not say go forth and tell everyone that they are to bless her or to honor her, did he? He just said that she was blessed among women and why: Immanuel shall be born as in meaning "God with us" which apparently is what Jesus means when you compare Matthew 1:Matthew 1: 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Thus we go to Mary's account in how the name of Jesus "declared God with us" as that giving her cause to glory God for what He has done to her.Luke 1: 26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.The other idea of honoring Mary was from her magnificat, a song she was singing, but that was her song, not issuing a commandment. She was singing why generations would call her blessed, because of what God did to her. In other words, she believed she would be considered blessed because of the Saviour being born through her. She was not exalting herself, because the "saviour" was going to be born through Her.More proof as to we are not to honor Mary: read how Jesus redirected that woman's focus when she was blessing His mother.Luke 11: 27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.So what is hearing the word of God and keeping it? As you read the following scriptures, do note that is how we shall be judged by.John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.So the moment we stop honoring the Son, we are no longer honoring the Father. Again, when we honor Mary, we are no longer honoring the Father. Mary is not down here to receive that honor and amazingly enough, the early churches did not practise it when she was alive for there has been no pilgrimage to her residence or instrcutions on proper visitation of Mary, was there? I am sure many believers did consider her "blessed", but that is a far cry from honoring her.So how important that we not honor Mary, but honor the Son? If we cease to acknowledge the Son, we deny the Father.1 John 2: 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. And how is this honoring Mary can seduce people?John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Since this is a common saying among catholics that they do not worship Mary, but honor her, let us see how it leads to seduction of turning "Mary" into a thief by putting her between the believer and Jesus. We turn to their catechism."Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494 "Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Pg. 303, #1172"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." Pg. 252, #969“From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of `Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs...” Pg. 253, #971 “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One... May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise.” Pg. 644, #2677 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things." Pg. 252, #966Not only does her magificat declared her need for the Saviour, but she was a good wife to Joseph.Matthew 1: 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Matthew 13: 54And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?Mark 6: 1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.That's two accounts. Those are two witnesses. Now I implore all non-Catholic churches and believers to not to honor Mary. If we are to abstain from all appearances of evil, then let us not be identified by the heresy that is surrounding Mary as apparitions has developed followers of Mary while the Catholic Church supports this "worship" by their own catechism.Again, to honor Mary, is not to honor God in that way. Honor the Son, then you are honoring the Father. Since some catholics do not believe they are worshipping Mary, but just honoring her, then let us not honor her, but honor the Son only, thereby honoring the Father... so that none may go astray by this practise of honoring Mary which is not commanded in the Bible to do, but indeed, has declared otherwise so as to honor the Father through the Son only. Amen.
Wow, that post was very long-winded. I'll just say this: I thought one of the 10 commandments was "Honor your mother and father?". It doesn't say, honor only your earthly father and mother. Mary was Jesus' mother........Jesus honored her.......why shouldn't we imitate Christ and honor His mother? No, the bible doesn't specifically say you have to honor Mary. But it also doesn't say, you are NOT allowed to honor Mary. So why is it such a bad thing to honor Mary? Aren't Protestants the ones who are always claiming to have such a firm grasp of scripture? And answer me this, why does everyond that I know that has a true devotion to the Blessed Mother have such a tremendous love for Christ as well? If Mary really is a false idol who's trying to bring people away from Her Son (like many Evangelicals believe), then she really stinks at it
Again I ask: Show me where in the bible it says you are not to specifically honor Mary? If you can't find the passage, there isn't one single Protestant who should be having problems with Catholics honoring the Mother of God(kriss;22365)
Honor not worshipWe honor lots of things we are only to worship God
Right you are my friend! Which is why Catholics honor Mary, but worship God.
Honor not worshipWe honor lots of things we are only to worship God
Right you are my friend! Which is why Catholics honor Mary, but worship God.
To clear up any further misunderstandings (I copied this from a Catholic apologetics site - I hope that's ok?) As the terminology of Christian theology developed, the Greek term latria came to be used to refer to the honor that is due to God alone, and the term dulia came to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially those who lived and died in God’s friendship—in other words, the saints. Scripture indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matt. 10:41b). A special term was coined to refer to the special honor given to the Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus—God in the flesh—in her womb. This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = "beyond dulia"), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind. However, since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different in kind from the latria owed to the infinite Creator. All of these terms—latria, dulia, hyperdulia—used to be lumped under the one English word "worship." Sometimes when one reads old books discussing the subject of how particular persons are to be honored, they will qualify the word "worship" by referring to "the worship of latria" or "the worship of dulia." To contemporaries and to those not familiar with the history of these terms, however, this is too confusing. Another attempt to make clear the difference between the honor due to God and that due to humans has been to use the words adore and adoration to describe the total, consuming reverence due to God and the terms venerate, veneration, and honor to refer to the respect due humans. Thus, Catholics sometimes say, "We adore God but we honor his saints." Unfortunately, many non-Catholics have been so schooled in hostility toward the Church that they appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently (often arrogantly) assert that Catholics "worship" Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, of course, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God—at least given the contemporary use of the term. The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what contemporary English speakers call "worship"—is to be given only to God.
(Peacebewithyou;22367)
To clear up any further misunderstandings (I copied this from a Catholic apologetics site - I hope that's ok?) As the terminology of Christian theology developed, the Greek term latria came to be used to refer to the honor that is due to God alone, and the term dulia came to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially those who lived and died in God’s friendship—in other words, the saints. Scripture indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matt. 10:41b). A special term was coined to refer to the special honor given to the Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus—God in the flesh—in her womb. This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = "beyond dulia"), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind. However, since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different in kind from the latria owed to the infinite Creator. All of these terms—latria, dulia, hyperdulia—used to be lumped under the one English word "worship." Sometimes when one reads old books discussing the subject of how particular persons are to be honored, they will qualify the word "worship" by referring to "the worship of latria" or "the worship of dulia." To contemporaries and to those not familiar with the history of these terms, however, this is too confusing. Another attempt to make clear the difference between the honor due to God and that due to humans has been to use the words adore and adoration to describe the total, consuming reverence due to God and the terms venerate, veneration, and honor to refer to the respect due humans. Thus, Catholics sometimes say, "We adore God but we honor his saints." Unfortunately, many non-Catholics have been so schooled in hostility toward the Church that they appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently (often arrogantly) assert that Catholics "worship" Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, of course, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God—at least given the contemporary use of the term. The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what contemporary English speakers call "worship"—is to be given only to God.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Excellent post!!
To clear up any further misunderstandings (I copied this from a Catholic apologetics site - I hope that's ok?) As the terminology of Christian theology developed, the Greek term latria came to be used to refer to the honor that is due to God alone, and the term dulia came to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially those who lived and died in God’s friendship—in other words, the saints. Scripture indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matt. 10:41b). A special term was coined to refer to the special honor given to the Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus—God in the flesh—in her womb. This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = "beyond dulia"), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind. However, since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different in kind from the latria owed to the infinite Creator. All of these terms—latria, dulia, hyperdulia—used to be lumped under the one English word "worship." Sometimes when one reads old books discussing the subject of how particular persons are to be honored, they will qualify the word "worship" by referring to "the worship of latria" or "the worship of dulia." To contemporaries and to those not familiar with the history of these terms, however, this is too confusing. Another attempt to make clear the difference between the honor due to God and that due to humans has been to use the words adore and adoration to describe the total, consuming reverence due to God and the terms venerate, veneration, and honor to refer to the respect due humans. Thus, Catholics sometimes say, "We adore God but we honor his saints." Unfortunately, many non-Catholics have been so schooled in hostility toward the Church that they appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently (often arrogantly) assert that Catholics "worship" Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, of course, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God—at least given the contemporary use of the term. The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what contemporary English speakers call "worship"—is to be given only to God.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Excellent post!!
The Lord Jesus said, " If you love me you will keep my commandments.1.) Love the Lord they God with all thine heart, mind, body, soul and strength.2.) Love thy neighbour as thyself."Jesus said, "Luke 8:21 (King James Version)21.And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.If we worshipping or bowing down to a dead human being who not omnipotent then we are breaking the first commandment. The two commandments that Jesus gave us sum up the whole law and teachings of the prophets, and Mary is not part of that summing up. Christ taught us to pray. Our Father which art in heaven, no mother there.Before Rome adopted the Christian faith, over four hundred years after Christ, they worshipped a black madonna and child. This is a pagan god back into the root of Egypt. The Lord God and Jesus very clear. Thou shalt worship no one but God. And God alone knows everything.Mary would be mortified at what they have done.My soul doth magnify the Lord and my Spirit hath rejoiced in God my saviour.For he hath regarded the lowliness of his hand maiden, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Call her blessed not worship her or put her on a pedestal. So clearly I believe Mary was blessed amongst women.But she is still a human being and not God.Love Faithful.
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So clearly I believe Mary was blessed amongst women.But she is still a human being and not God.Love Faithful.
I assure you, Catholics believe this as well.
So clearly I believe Mary was blessed amongst women.But she is still a human being and not God.Love Faithful.
I assure you, Catholics believe this as well.
(Faithful;22370)
If we worshipping or bowing down to a dead human being who not omnipotent then we are breaking the first commandment. )
Oh my goodness, Mary is not dead! She is very alive in heaven. She does not answers our prayers however, she only interceeds (prays) for us. She is certainly not omnipotent - that is a quality only attributed to God of course. She is a Saint. Notice these scriptures which support the Saints offering their prayers on our behalf: In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4). And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth. The Bible says in 1Peter: 12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.Who is more righteous then those who have already received their heavenly reward? :angel9:
If we worshipping or bowing down to a dead human being who not omnipotent then we are breaking the first commandment. )
Oh my goodness, Mary is not dead!
She is very alive in heaven. She does not answers our prayers however, she only interceeds (prays) for us. She is certainly not omnipotent - that is a quality only attributed to God of course. She is a Saint. Notice these scriptures which support the Saints offering their prayers on our behalf: In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4). And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth. The Bible says in 1Peter: 12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.Who is more righteous then those who have already received their heavenly reward? :angel9:Hi goldy,
I thought one of the 10 commandments was "Honor your mother and father?". It doesn't say, honor only your earthly father and mother. Mary was Jesus' mother........Jesus honored her.......why shouldn't we imitate Christ and honor His mother?
Ask Jesus why He redirected that woman's gaze higher when she was blessing His mother.Ask Jesus why He said John 5:22,23. How can you honor Mary? How? She is not here to receive that "honor". Amazing how Joseph is not mentioned on the same level as Mary as far as this "honoring" goes.If no flesh shall glory in His presence in Heaven, then who can honor Mary?As much as you like to seperate honor from worship, your catechism shows me as to what the Roman Church believes in. You did not bother to read it all, did you? In it are quotes from the catechism. Those quotes are putting Mary up there with God. So how can a catholic not being accused of worshipping Mary? How many "hail Mary, full of grace.." did you "pray" to Mary for penance? How does that look to a non-believer?Really concerned for you, goldy. I don't see how you can answer those questions.
I thought one of the 10 commandments was "Honor your mother and father?". It doesn't say, honor only your earthly father and mother. Mary was Jesus' mother........Jesus honored her.......why shouldn't we imitate Christ and honor His mother?
Ask Jesus why He redirected that woman's gaze higher when she was blessing His mother.Ask Jesus why He said John 5:22,23. How can you honor Mary? How? She is not here to receive that "honor". Amazing how Joseph is not mentioned on the same level as Mary as far as this "honoring" goes.If no flesh shall glory in His presence in Heaven, then who can honor Mary?As much as you like to seperate honor from worship, your catechism shows me as to what the Roman Church believes in. You did not bother to read it all, did you? In it are quotes from the catechism. Those quotes are putting Mary up there with God. So how can a catholic not being accused of worshipping Mary? How many "hail Mary, full of grace.." did you "pray" to Mary for penance? How does that look to a non-believer?Really concerned for you, goldy. I don't see how you can answer those questions.
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As much as you like to seperate honor from worship, your catechism shows me as to what the Roman Church believes in. You did not bother to read it all, did you? In it are quotes from the catechism. Those quotes are putting Mary up there with God. .
I ask this with all sincerity. Please direct me to the passage in the catechism that says that Mary is equal to God and that we are to "worship" her.
As much as you like to seperate honor from worship, your catechism shows me as to what the Roman Church believes in. You did not bother to read it all, did you? In it are quotes from the catechism. Those quotes are putting Mary up there with God. .
I ask this with all sincerity. Please direct me to the passage in the catechism that says that Mary is equal to God and that we are to "worship" her.
(Pariah;22386)
How many "hail Mary, full of grace.." did you "pray" to Mary for penance? How does that look to a non-believer?Really concerned for you, goldy. I don't see how you can answer those questions.
What are your specific objections with the Hail Mary prayer? Hail Mary, full of gracethe Lord is with thee.Blessed art thou among womenand blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.Holy Mary, Mother of Godpray for us sinnersnow and at the hour of our death, amen.
How many "hail Mary, full of grace.." did you "pray" to Mary for penance? How does that look to a non-believer?Really concerned for you, goldy. I don't see how you can answer those questions.
What are your specific objections with the Hail Mary prayer? Hail Mary, full of gracethe Lord is with thee.Blessed art thou among womenand blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.Holy Mary, Mother of Godpray for us sinnersnow and at the hour of our death, amen.
Hi kriss,
Honor not worshipWe honor lots of things we are only to worship God
But we do see how honor has turned to worship for Mary in regards to the catholicism, have we not? Are we not called to abstain from all appearances of evil? Are we not call not to cause the brother to stumble? How can we honor Mary? Do we do it the same way we honor Joseph?What honor was Jesus talking about then, if honor is not worship? ( I agree with you on that, but still Jesus was addressing honor.. not worship) Do note how He will judge.John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Let us read what Jesus said about honor as in regards to coming to Him or not.John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?Yes, we honor our father and our mother, but Jesus was referring to what honor? In how we come to God. That can leave out worship. It is coming to Him is honoring Him. So how does one honor Mary? By coming to her? If the catechism has her set up for catholics to come to her, then the honor we are speaking as in remembering and calling her blessed is causing someone else to stumble in honoring her as coming to God.Don't you find it odd that honoring Mary is without Joseph? The talk is always about honoring Mary. I find that to be a suspicious leaven of the Pharisees that with all of these apparitions, it could leaven the whole lump and gather a following after Mary in honoring her at sites where signs and wonders are happening.Thus... there is no commandment to honor Mary, but there is a commandment to honor the Son. In these perilous times we live in, let us not broaden the Way by placing Mary to be honored when we are coming to God in the worship place. For I believe what Jesus said. If we do not honor the Son, we are not honoring the Father. Honoring Mary is not honoring the Father. Those scriptures were written for a reason as well as those that climb up another way.. all those that come between us and Jesus is a thief and a robber. So why would I want to risk honoring Mary when I am sure, if she knew, she would rather I'd be honoring the Son. She was still alive after Jesus ascended. How come no one honored her then? Because Jesus is the Gospel. Anything else is a distraction.1 Corinthians 2: 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.Anyway, take it to the Lord in prayer. I trust Him to cause the increase.In Christ's Love,Pariah
Honor not worshipWe honor lots of things we are only to worship God
But we do see how honor has turned to worship for Mary in regards to the catholicism, have we not? Are we not called to abstain from all appearances of evil? Are we not call not to cause the brother to stumble? How can we honor Mary? Do we do it the same way we honor Joseph?What honor was Jesus talking about then, if honor is not worship? ( I agree with you on that, but still Jesus was addressing honor.. not worship) Do note how He will judge.John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Let us read what Jesus said about honor as in regards to coming to Him or not.John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?Yes, we honor our father and our mother, but Jesus was referring to what honor? In how we come to God. That can leave out worship. It is coming to Him is honoring Him. So how does one honor Mary? By coming to her? If the catechism has her set up for catholics to come to her, then the honor we are speaking as in remembering and calling her blessed is causing someone else to stumble in honoring her as coming to God.Don't you find it odd that honoring Mary is without Joseph? The talk is always about honoring Mary. I find that to be a suspicious leaven of the Pharisees that with all of these apparitions, it could leaven the whole lump and gather a following after Mary in honoring her at sites where signs and wonders are happening.Thus... there is no commandment to honor Mary, but there is a commandment to honor the Son. In these perilous times we live in, let us not broaden the Way by placing Mary to be honored when we are coming to God in the worship place. For I believe what Jesus said. If we do not honor the Son, we are not honoring the Father. Honoring Mary is not honoring the Father. Those scriptures were written for a reason as well as those that climb up another way.. all those that come between us and Jesus is a thief and a robber. So why would I want to risk honoring Mary when I am sure, if she knew, she would rather I'd be honoring the Son. She was still alive after Jesus ascended. How come no one honored her then? Because Jesus is the Gospel. Anything else is a distraction.1 Corinthians 2: 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.Anyway, take it to the Lord in prayer. I trust Him to cause the increase.In Christ's Love,Pariah
Hi Peacebewithyou,
This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = "beyond dulia"), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind. However, since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different in kind from the latria owed to the infinite Creator.
We turn to the catechism as it seems she has moved from being a finite creature."Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494 "Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Pg. 303, #1172"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." Pg. 252, #969“From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of `Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs...” Pg. 253, #971 “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One... May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise.” Pg. 644, #2677 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things." Pg. 252, #966Thanks for sharing though. I do appreciate your trying to correct me, but it is going to be very hard with the catechism in the way. I know you believe that way, but you have to understand that I am going to the source as I know that not all catholics believe everything in the catechism, but that is what I am addressing this issue on... moreso for the non-Catholic churches than the Roman Catholic Church to not honor Mary or simply stop talking about "honoring Mary". It is one thing to read of her in the Bible, but scriptures points us to Jesus, not to Mary. It is not to dishonor her as if one would go out of their way to dishonor her, but we are not to honor her either. Saying she was blessed by God is not the same thing as honoring her. That is testifying of God in what He did to her as we would testify of what God did to others. That is His glory, not Mary's. Thus the reason to not honor her because your catechism is turning that honor into a thief in the process.In Christ's Love, Pariah
This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = "beyond dulia"), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind. However, since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different in kind from the latria owed to the infinite Creator.
We turn to the catechism as it seems she has moved from being a finite creature."Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494 "Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Pg. 303, #1172"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." Pg. 252, #969“From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of `Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs...” Pg. 253, #971 “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One... May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise.” Pg. 644, #2677 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things." Pg. 252, #966Thanks for sharing though. I do appreciate your trying to correct me, but it is going to be very hard with the catechism in the way. I know you believe that way, but you have to understand that I am going to the source as I know that not all catholics believe everything in the catechism, but that is what I am addressing this issue on... moreso for the non-Catholic churches than the Roman Catholic Church to not honor Mary or simply stop talking about "honoring Mary". It is one thing to read of her in the Bible, but scriptures points us to Jesus, not to Mary. It is not to dishonor her as if one would go out of their way to dishonor her, but we are not to honor her either. Saying she was blessed by God is not the same thing as honoring her. That is testifying of God in what He did to her as we would testify of what God did to others. That is His glory, not Mary's. Thus the reason to not honor her because your catechism is turning that honor into a thief in the process.In Christ's Love, Pariah
Hi Peacebewithyou,
I ask this with all sincerity. Please direct me to the passage in the catechism that says that Mary is equal to God and that we are to "worship" her.
What are your specific objections with the Hail Mary prayer? Hail Mary, full of gracethe Lord is with thee.Blessed art thou among womenand blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.Holy Mary, Mother of Godpray for us sinnersnow and at the hour of our death, amen.
Well, by now you have seen the catechism shared once more before this post as I address the fact that you are answering your own question, are you not?How can you address Mary in prayer? You can only pray to God.Why would God allow a practise like that come into being of praying to Mary or to the saints when that would be like calling up ghosts as the world sees it?How can anyone say that by putting Mary inbetween us and Jesus, they are not making her the thief?John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.What are scriptures there for? Jesus is saying this for a reason. Hear Him!John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? I believe Jesus is the only One that can lift the blinders off of you. I pray that He will. Really concerned for you, Peacebewithyou. This is nothing short of apostasy.
I ask this with all sincerity. Please direct me to the passage in the catechism that says that Mary is equal to God and that we are to "worship" her.
What are your specific objections with the Hail Mary prayer? Hail Mary, full of gracethe Lord is with thee.Blessed art thou among womenand blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.Holy Mary, Mother of Godpray for us sinnersnow and at the hour of our death, amen.
Well, by now you have seen the catechism shared once more before this post as I address the fact that you are answering your own question, are you not?How can you address Mary in prayer? You can only pray to God.Why would God allow a practise like that come into being of praying to Mary or to the saints when that would be like calling up ghosts as the world sees it?How can anyone say that by putting Mary inbetween us and Jesus, they are not making her the thief?John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.What are scriptures there for? Jesus is saying this for a reason. Hear Him!John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? I believe Jesus is the only One that can lift the blinders off of you. I pray that He will. Really concerned for you, Peacebewithyou. This is nothing short of apostasy.
To worship Mary is to reject Yahshua. And Mary can never be a "Mother of God" for it is unbiblical.Sure Mary gave birth to Yahshua, but she is NOT the "Mother of God"Why worship a dead person, when Yahshua still lives. Sure her soul goes back to the Father whom gave it, but she can't hear your prayers.We are only allowed to pray to the Heavenly Father in the name of Yahshua.
Thank you for your replies. Although we obviously do not agree on this issue, I appreicate your thoughts and the kind manner in which you responded.May I just say though, while I do honor his Mother, I recoginze that her only desire is to direct attention to her Son - the only One who is worthly of worship, and the one, the ONLY one whom I adore with all my heart. He (Jesus) is my everything. I believe that Satan would be pleased to have us bickering over the points we disagree, rather than coming together on the most powerful thing we share: Our Savior Jesus Christ. God Bless, Peace be with you!
I would like to ask the simple question as to Why you would want to pray to Mary or any other saint?1Ti 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, If Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, why would you look for another mediator?Jhn 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. Jhn 15:7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.How much faith do you have in our God, if you are afraid to stand in his presents with you request. We are sons of God. We, as earthly parents, don't listen to one child more then another, but this is exactly what you are saying about my heavenly Father. You are saying, my request would have a better chance of being answered, if I was to asked through a saint. Which would mean our Father shows favoritismRom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Jesus said if you had the faith of a mustard seed we could move mountains, but, when we turn to a saint in prayer its like saying I really not sure if God will listen to me. I should go to some one who God will listen to. Not showing much faith in those prayers are we?Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Our Father loves us more then we can understand, so why turn to a man(saint), who never knew you. God knew you before you were born. Your hairs are numbed. He knows everything about you. He knows what you need before you askMat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him Our Father knows our needs TRUST HIM in your prayersWhen the apostles asked how we should pray, he said pray our Father. Jesus told us how to pray and who to pray to
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Wow, that post was very long-winded. I'll just say this: I thought one of the 10 commandments was "Honor your mother and father?". It doesn't say, honor only your earthly father and mother. Mary was Jesus' mother........Jesus honored her.......why shouldn't we imitate Christ and honor His mother? No, the bible doesn't specifically say you have to honor Mary. But it also doesn't say, you are NOT allowed to honor Mary. So why is it such a bad thing to honor Mary? Aren't Protestants the ones who are always claiming to have such a firm grasp of scripture? And answer me this, why does everyond that I know that has a true devotion to the Blessed Mother have such a tremendous love for Christ as well? If Mary really is a false idol who's trying to bring people away from Her Son (like many Evangelicals believe), then she really stinks at itAgain I ask: Show me where in the bible it says you are not to specifically honor Mary? If you can't find the passage, there isn't one single Protestant who should be having problems with Catholics honoring the Mother of God
Like everything in this life, once we have died it comes to an end. Christ honoured his Father and Mother whilst here on earth. He has died and has risen and is now with his heavenly Father. Though we are to honour our Mother and Father, we must do this in truth. We cannot honour God or our Parents if we live a life which does not put God first.If you mother told you to murder someone. God says 'thou shalt not killl'Who do you obey? You see to obey your mother would neither honour her or God in this instance. So uncerstanding and truth are required to know what is required of a believer. Holding Mary in any position where we should only hold God is false. Because there will be no marriage in the next life and we are all one body and equal members in Christ. There is no male and female in Christ. As the word of God says. God is the true immortal being not made but had always been. Therefore Mary is not and never has been the Mother of God. She was clearly the mother of the Son of God. His conception being by the power of God through the Holy Spirit. And so clearly Mary is not and never has been the mother of God. Be sure to understand what this says.Love Faithful.:naughty:
Wow, that post was very long-winded. I'll just say this: I thought one of the 10 commandments was "Honor your mother and father?". It doesn't say, honor only your earthly father and mother. Mary was Jesus' mother........Jesus honored her.......why shouldn't we imitate Christ and honor His mother? No, the bible doesn't specifically say you have to honor Mary. But it also doesn't say, you are NOT allowed to honor Mary. So why is it such a bad thing to honor Mary? Aren't Protestants the ones who are always claiming to have such a firm grasp of scripture? And answer me this, why does everyond that I know that has a true devotion to the Blessed Mother have such a tremendous love for Christ as well? If Mary really is a false idol who's trying to bring people away from Her Son (like many Evangelicals believe), then she really stinks at it
Again I ask: Show me where in the bible it says you are not to specifically honor Mary? If you can't find the passage, there isn't one single Protestant who should be having problems with Catholics honoring the Mother of GodLike everything in this life, once we have died it comes to an end. Christ honoured his Father and Mother whilst here on earth. He has died and has risen and is now with his heavenly Father. Though we are to honour our Mother and Father, we must do this in truth. We cannot honour God or our Parents if we live a life which does not put God first.If you mother told you to murder someone. God says 'thou shalt not killl'Who do you obey? You see to obey your mother would neither honour her or God in this instance. So uncerstanding and truth are required to know what is required of a believer. Holding Mary in any position where we should only hold God is false. Because there will be no marriage in the next life and we are all one body and equal members in Christ. There is no male and female in Christ. As the word of God says. God is the true immortal being not made but had always been. Therefore Mary is not and never has been the Mother of God. She was clearly the mother of the Son of God. His conception being by the power of God through the Holy Spirit. And so clearly Mary is not and never has been the mother of God. Be sure to understand what this says.Love Faithful.:naughty:
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To worship Mary is to reject Yahshua. And Mary can never be a "Mother of God" for it is unbiblical.Sure Mary gave birth to Yahshua, but she is NOT the "Mother of God"Why worship a dead person, when Yahshua still lives. Sure her soul goes back to the Father whom gave it, but she can't hear your prayers.We are nly allowed to pray to the Heavenly Father in the name of Yahshua.
Do you realize that you just committed an ancient heresy? Now, before you stone me, here's why: By saying that Mary could never be the Mother of God, you just separated Jesus from God. Jesus WAS and IS God. Mary was the mother of Jesus, therefore she is the mother of God.
To worship Mary is to reject Yahshua. And Mary can never be a "Mother of God" for it is unbiblical.Sure Mary gave birth to Yahshua, but she is NOT the "Mother of God"Why worship a dead person, when Yahshua still lives. Sure her soul goes back to the Father whom gave it, but she can't hear your prayers.We are nly allowed to pray to the Heavenly Father in the name of Yahshua.
Do you realize that you just committed an ancient heresy? Now, before you stone me, here's why: By saying that Mary could never be the Mother of God, you just separated Jesus from God. Jesus WAS and IS God. Mary was the mother of Jesus, therefore she is the mother of God.
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