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What if you are no longer a sinner, but are actually a Saint, made so by the blood of Jesus?

Are you born again?
Then, that is the final answer.
You are not a sinner, you are a blood bought, Jesus redeemed, child of the Light.
Your "sin" is on Jesus, as He became your sin and DIED for them all.
And there goes your sin.. gone, gone, gone.= see that CROSS ??????
YOU then, became BORN AGAIN, and that is who you are right now and forever, ... you are born again spiritually, into God's Spirit. = for ETERNITY.
Saint, being born again, is not TEMPORARY, as its the ETERNAL LIFE.
Its the same thing.
See, born again, means, to HAVE Eternal Life.
And how do you know you have it? Because Jesus who IS HIMSELF Eternal LIFE< is IN YOU.
So, "Christ in YOU"....is WHY you have eternal life, and is why you will go to heaven and for no other reason.
=Final answer.....bottom line.

Are you born again?
Then that is where you are, which defines for all eternity, WHO you are...which is..>"in Christ".
So, if someone asks you...."are you a sinner"......you say...>"no, im in Christ"..."im born again"", as any other answer is not TRUE, and any other teaching is not of God.

Now... unbelievers who are "Under the law", are defined by The Law as : "sinners"..
While the Born again who are "not under the law but under Grace", are defined by the dominion of Grace = as Saints.

Learn that truth, and be freed from your flesh.


So, what happens if you are defining yourself as a sinner, and God does not.
What happens then?
Well, you'll find yourself sinning and confessing and believe you can lose your salvation, which is what you are not supposed to be doing or believing., and you wont be able to stop.
Is that you?
Is that YOU ?

Its like this Saint.....The born again, are not supposed to believe that "Christianity" is all about....Sinning and Confessing and Repenting.
See.....That's the devils lie.
Have you believed it?
Are you being taught it on this forum, or in your Church?
If you are and have been so deceived....., then that is why you are living in that failed spiritual state. Its because """as you think in your heart, so you become"....
Thats a fact....
So, if you believe you are a sinner, you will always behave exactly as you believe.

See, all things with the Spiritual Life are FAITH based, .....= belief based.
The Spiritual Realm, where the born again exist, has ....unique to it.... operation.
And the Spirituality that you exist in, as your lifestyle is reflective of how you understand who you are in Christ, correctly or not.

Its a fact Reader, that when you oppose truth, you live in deceit, .. you are IN the dark.
Listen....You can be born again, and totally in the dark, spiritually.
Most are....
You can make a big fake show of words about Jesus on a Forum like this one..., but in your heart, you are totally in the dark, having no understanding of who you are "in Christ", because you have rejected truth.
And if that is you, you will spend all your time on a Forum like this one, trying to prove that Salvation can be undone, by behavior or "dead faith", or some isolated verse taken from Hebrews, Matthew, or James... that you've twisted into your own theological pretzel of self deceit.
This person is darkness parading about as light., and in fact Jesus defines them as a dark light, because the light that is in them, is "darkness".
This can be a born again child of God, who is Galatians 1:8, and committing the "error of Cain".

Now...
What is the right understanding of God's Grace, which when understood by revelation, will lift you from that lifetime of "sinning and confessing" situation that is not what you are supposed to be doing for the last 5-50 yrs. ??
Its simple, SAINT.....
If you are born again, then you are to recognize by revelation of God's Grace, who you are "in Christ" and exist in this understanding as your "Right mind"..= that understands (BELIEVES) that the Blood of Jesus always keeps GOD at perfect peace with you.....and not your behavior or lifestyle or discipleship.
And if you can come to this LIGHT< this right believing... you will end up living in a discipleship that pleases God, and has nothing to do with repenting, confessing, and starting over again till you sin again and again and again.
 
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We are all sinners in that we all have indwelling sin (1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15).

We are not sinners in that we have been made the righteousness of the Lord in Christ and we do not have to commit sin (2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

We are most certainly able to walk consistently, not after the flesh but after the Spirit (see Romans 8:4, 1 John 3:4).

That sin resides in our flesh is a given (again, 1 John 1:8).

However, the element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus, we do not have to walk according to the flesh and therefore we do not have to sin (again, Romans 8:4).

But to teach that we no longer have sin dwelling within us is a heresy (again, see 1 John 1:8) that amounts to deceiving yourself and the truth is not in you if you believe in and/or preach such a doctrine.
 
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One can't be a sinner and a Saint at the same time. A sinner knowingly sins against God, while a Saint does not.

1Ti 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul wasn't a saint when he said this?
 

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One can't be a sinner and a Saint at the same time. A sinner knowingly sins against God, while a Saint does not.
That's Not Biblical.

Jesus remains our intercessor.

Why?

Much love!
 

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...and has nothing to do with repenting, confessing, and starting over again till you sin again and again and again...
You are back with your false doctrines and your false gospel. The Bible addresses Christians in this manner:

1 JOHN 1: A WARNING TO CHRISTIANS
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his Word is not in us.

So you have made God a liar. This has nothing to do with "starting over again" but of dealing with present sins. And if you imagine you are sinless, your false teaching expose you as opposed to the truth.

BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS, FALSE APOSTLES, AND FALSE PROPHETS.
 

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You are back with your false doctrines and your false gospel. The Bible addresses Christians in this manner:
BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS, FALSE APOSTLES, AND FALSE PROPHETS.

Is Pauline Theology false?
You might want to check that out, enoch111.
Go here....

"Pauline Theology", and you'll find me.
 

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A sinner is someone who has not been born again. A saint is somebody who has been born again.

Impossible. This conflating is why a large percentage of the Church members watch pornography and engage in other sins too; after all, we are all sinners anyway.
 

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That's Not Biblical.

Jesus remains our intercessor.

Why?

Much love!

It's very much Biblical.

Romans 6
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 

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1Ti 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul wasn't a saint when he said this?

Paul was sinner, but Jesus saved him and he began to walk in His ways, making him a Saint of the Most High.
 

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Impossible. This conflating is why a large percentage of the Church members watch pornography and engage in other sins too; after all, we are all sinners anyway.

To be a saint in God's eyes isn't somebody who never does anything wrong; it is somebody whose sins have been forgiven - past, present and future. That is the true gospel of Christ. If you don't accept this then I think you might need to have another look at your bible. I am a saint as is anybody who has been truly born again of their own free choice.
 

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To be a saint in God's eyes isn't somebody who never does anything wrong; it is somebody whose sins have been forgiven - past, present and future. That is the true gospel of Christ. If you don't accept this then I think you might need to have another look at your bible. I am a saint as is anybody who has been truly born again of their own free choice.

I study the KJV Bible daily, and it teaches the difference between a Saint and a sinner. Christians nowadays tend to conflate making a mistake with committing a sin; they are not the same. A mistake is forgetting your wallet, while committing sin is to knowingly and/or indifferently violate God's commands.

Romans 6
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
 

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I study the KJV Bible daily, and it teaches the difference between a Saint and a sinner. Christians nowadays tend to conflate making a mistake with committing a sin; they are not the same. A mistake is forgetting your wallet, while committing sin is to knowingly and/or indifferently violate God's commands.

Romans 6
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Sin is falling short of God's standard. When we are washed in the blood of the lamb, that sin which separated us from God's love is gone, wiped clean. We are born again and start life as a new creation - a saint. That is the truth. You may study your bible every day but you have missed the point. Perhaps you are of the religion that believes you were born again when you were baptised. Ask God to show you as you study in the coming days.

Also I would suggest that the men who are addicted to porn in your church are either not true born again believers or that they need help and counselling and both groups need prayer.
 
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Sin is falling short of God's standard. When we are washed in the blood of the lamb, that sin which separated us from God's love is gone, wiped clean. We are born again and start life as a new creation - a saint. That is the truth. You may study your bible every day but you have missed the point. Perhaps you are of the religion that believes you were born again when you were baptised. Ask God to show you as you study in the coming days.

No. I clearly get the point. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. He's a Lord, not just a Sacrifice. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Also I would suggest that the men who are addicted to porn in your church are either not true born again believers or that they need help and counselling and both groups need prayer.

You're devoid of reality. A large swath of Churchgoers are addicted to pornography because they aren't being fed how to be overcoming Saints. After all, we are just sinners anyway.

"Are we really supposed to buy into the idea that 68% of men in Church watch porn regularly? Could this just be sensational rhetoric? Not according to a national survey among churches. The survey conducted over the past five years revealed that 68 percent of Christian men and 50 percent of pastors view pornography regularly. But even more shocking is that 11-17 year-old boys reported being its greatest users. The Church is in the sexual battle of its life. As these boys become adults, the Church will be flooded with porn addicts. Pastor James Reeves of City On A Hill Church DFW has successfully tackled porn addiction in his church. He warns, “This problem is going to sweep through the Church like a tsunami wave of destruction and we’re not prepared for it."

Why 68% of Christian Men Watch Porn - Conquer Series
 

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No. I clearly get the point. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. He's a Lord, not just a Sacrifice. Obedience is better than sacrifice.



You're devoid of reality. A large swath of Churchgoers are addicted to pornography because they aren't being fed how to be overcoming Saints. After all, we are just sinners anyway.

"Are we really supposed to buy into the idea that 68% of men in Church watch porn regularly? Could this just be sensational rhetoric? Not according to a national survey among churches. The survey conducted over the past five years revealed that 68 percent of Christian men and 50 percent of pastors view pornography regularly. But even more shocking is that 11-17 year-old boys reported being its greatest users. The Church is in the sexual battle of its life. As these boys become adults, the Church will be flooded with porn addicts. Pastor James Reeves of City On A Hill Church DFW has successfully tackled porn addiction in his church. He warns, “This problem is going to sweep through the Church like a tsunami wave of destruction and we’re not prepared for it."

Why 68% of Christian Men Watch Porn - Conquer Series


So are you saying all these men are not Christian? Many of them may not be even though they go to church. Like I said they need prayer not condemnation. Perhaps you could get together a group of men who are free of this addiction and pray for them and if they are not born-again believers may be you can lead them to Christ. Of course you know that going to church or being 'baptised' as a baby doesn't make a person a Christian. Give it a try as you are seem so concerned.
 

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So are you saying all these men are not Christian? Many of them may not be even though they go to church. Like I said they need prayer not condemnation. Perhaps you could get together a group of men who are free of this addiction and pray for them and if they are not born-again believers may be you can lead them to Christ. Of course you know that going to church or being 'baptised' as a baby doesn't make a person a Christian. Give it a try as you are seem so concerned.

I teach people to have victory over sin making them Saints of the Most High, while you teach them that they are sinners, so they act accordingly. My hands are free, let their blood be on your head.

John 8
[34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
[35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 

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People who sin no more are either in a coma or kneeling before Christ on His throne.
 

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People who sin no more are either in a coma or kneeling before Christ on His throne.

John 5
[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him [a man who Jesus healed] in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
 
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John 5
[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him [a man who Jesus healed] in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

and then?