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Featured No One Goes to Heaven, and What the Kingdom of God On Earth Will Be Like in the Millennial Shabbath

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by cgneustar, Jun 8, 2019.

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    cgneustar Member

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    There is a popular teaching among Catholics and Protestants that after men die, they immediately either go to hell, or to heaven. Through scripture I explain why this teaching isn't true, what "hell" will actually be, and why no one goes to heaven, and what the true inheritance of the people of God will be, which relates to these prophecies, "the meek shall inherit the earth" and "they shall rule the earth for 1,000 years". I also describe how the kingdom of God will be in detail, and how it will be governed, and why it will be the height of civilization on this earth. No One Goes to Heaven, and What the Kingdom of God On Earth Will Be Like in the Millennial Shabbath | Wisdom of God
     
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    As most do, you have wrongly interpreted the meaning of "meek", and it has you off on a different tangent, worse than those who simply believe.
     
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    Are you not the man who says the second coming has already happened, or that the second coming will only be some "spiritual" or "figurative" event?
     
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    Angels are Christ's priests?
    Jesus is returning?

    Can you Quote either of these from Scripture, ty
     
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    In Revelation the angels come out the temple of God with golden bowls, just as the priests were the one who used golden bowls to pour wine on the altar. And the Messiah is indeed returning.
     
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    then could you address 1 Peter 2:9 and Revelation 1:6, ty.
    no offense meant but that is not a reply to my question, teacher
     
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    Just as the temple had priests that served only in the inner temple, which is where the menorah and altar of incense were, and priests that served in the outer temple, which is where the altar of ascending offering and washing basic were, so in likewise manner the kingdom of God has priests that serve in heaven, which are angels, and priests that serve on the earth, which are men of God.
     
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    well ok but wadr that is more like side-stepping than answering, or at least you might note that you are admitting a correction in the form of a lecture?
    Do you believe that you might go up to heaven someday?
    Do you believe that you might become an immortal?
    Do you expect that you or some future person will see Jesus in the sky with your/their eyes?
     
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    No, you thought you found a contradiction in something I say and something the scriptures say, because of your own lack of understanding regarding what the tabernacle and tent symbolizes, for the outer court of the tabernacle symbolizes the earth, which is why the "souls under the altar" in the book of Revelation refers to those who were martyred on the earth and are now in Sheol beneath the earth, whereas the inner tent is where the angels of God serve, which is why in the book of Revelation in heaven they are the ones that offer up the prayers of the people of God symbolized by the altar of incense in the tent of God, and just as only the High Priest can enter into the most set-apart place of the tent, so in likewise manner only the Messiah can sit at the right hand of God in heaven.

    As such, no one goes to heaven, for the Messiah will soon return to give his people their inheritance in the kingdom of God, which is inheriting the entire earth, and to rule over it for 1,000 years.

    I do believe I am among the chosen. I will soon have confirmation in a few months once I receive the anointing, God willing.

    The Messiah will be seen by all eyes when he returns.
     
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    Man, and i can tell you're not a bad guy either, but you just don't have a clue huh. You do know all that stuff you're wearing, that nation got wasted by God on purpose and scattered to the four winds, right? We even have a record of their demise, bro, the OT? Where you no offense dwell?

    Messiah will not be seen by all eyes when He returns, all you have done is add to the Book twice in one sentence wadr. Please stop digging with that power shovel you got ok. Maybe sit down and reflect for a bit. I love you man but yikes bro. Shuvu is the Hebrew root for Return, forgot the Aramaic, but if you can Quote either one that would be great.

    But of course you cannot, wanna take a stab at why? Of course not, bc you want to be God right, like pretty much every other believer i ever talked to. But wow you took two bites from that apple i guess huh? "this is that and that is this and this is this too" kinda thing, lol. And all crap, every bit of it

    jesus, believers, huh?
    I don't mean to discourage you ok, but imo your position is Taken
     
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    Ok well you wait for Jesus to "return" ok, me, i'm not waiting for jack

    Return to Me, and I will return to you

    mr ot man
     
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    Wow Scottie said that? Guess i'll have to reconsider my judgement of him now, hmm. Ida swore he was solid nihilist.
     
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    What is the nature of your question--what do you really want to know?

    And why do you have a disdain for what is "spiritual" as if it were not the glory of God whom is spirit? Apparently you do not know that the Son returns in the glory of the Father, which is in spirit, or that to those who know this, yes, He has come already beginning at Pentecost.
     
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    The one who doesn't have a clue is actually the one who thinks the Messiah is not returning, for it is written, "every eye will see him".
     
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    You are a man who understands nothing regarding the airflow of God, and that is why you confuse that which is literal with the modern idea of "spirit" and "spirituality", which are mistranslations of the original words, "ruach" in the Hebrew and "pneuma" in the Greek, which mean airflow, not ghosts and phantasms and imaginative fantasies. The Soul, the Aeolian Body, Sleep of Death, the Mistranslation of the Word Spirit, and the Identity of the Airflow of God | Wisdom of God
     
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    Says one you confesses that he is not anointed of God.

    You have no say.
     
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    It is not just popular, it is BIBLICAL. So you are showing your true colors as a false teacher.
     
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    It is not biblical.
     
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    If you deny that the Lord has returned...you are denying that you are in Him and He in you. For if you believe that He went to the Father, but He is now with you (or with any), then He has returned. All of which is according to scripture.
     
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    Oh that i agree with, but see that is not what you said before ok,
    and, what Scottie said, it's a spiritual thing imo, but i mean bam keep looking up if you want to bro, idc honest, ok with me.

    Do you know the diff in "Naive" ("eastern," the kings are coming, right now bro, i could even show you a pitcher if you want) and "Satan's" ("Hegelian," we call it now) yet, brother? You might go and see, ok.

    "
    It is important to understand that as a Westerner, your thought processes are vastly different from those who have been raised to reason from the Eastern dialectic, as the Jewish writers were:

    "
    ...Dialectical reasoning is actually opposed to formal logic in many ways.

    Western Logic Versus Eastern Dialecticism
    Aristotle placed at the foundations of logical thought the following three propositions.
    1. Identity: A = A. Whatever is, is. A is itself and not some other thing.
    2. Noncontradiction: A and not A can't both be the case. Nothing can both be and not be. A proposition and its opposite can't both be true.
    3. Excluded middle: Everything must either be or not be. A or not A can be true but not something in between.

    Modern Westerners accept these propositions (but Easterners do not)...
    ...three principles underlie Eastern dialecticism. Notice I didn't say "propositions..." the term "proposition" has much too formal a ring for what is a generalized stance toward the world rather than a set of ironclad rules.

    1. Principle of change:
    Reality is a process of change.
    What is currently true will shortly be false.
    2. Principle of contradiction:
    Contradiction is the dynamic underlying change.
    Because change is constant, contradiction is constant.
    3. Principle of relationships (or holism):
    The whole is more than the sum of its parts.
    Parts are meaningful only in relation to the whole...

    These principles are intimately linked...
    The principles also imply another important tenet of Eastern thought, which is the insistence on finding the "middle way" between extreme propositions...
    ...and Talmudic scholars developed it over the next two millennia and more.

    "Mindware" Richard E. Nisbett, pp. 224-5

    pretty sure that's why you're even here, ok; tomlearn to read like they wrote?Peace to you.
     
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