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Not a sinner.

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Behold, Jun 25, 2020.

  1. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    Consider H2S that that 'reports' might be lodged by those who seek to control the narrative?
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    It doesn't matter what their motive is...it has to be addressed. But thank you for your advice.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    too *much* religion.
     
  4. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    Lol....one says I'm JW another SDA.....who knows what else I am thought of as being?

    Perhaps I'm a donkey.....what do you think? Do you think God can speak through a donkey? Do you think God gives a flying fudge cake what associations men identify with or what names they call or give themselves. Do you think that a man calling himself and accepting the title of 'Your Holiness' makes him so??

    Isn't it sufficient to identify as a member of the human race? and ohhh, I might add....ChristianityBoard? :)

    It was for good reason Jesus sort out the disenfranchised .....at least they had a sense of their lack of title.
     
  5. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    Well if you are not that is what you are preaching...

    We are supposed to be one in Christ not one in religion or anything else
     
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    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    Get offended, nah, used to but ive being on this forum far to long.
     
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    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    ye i dunno
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    I think it shouldn't compute. I try to understand most things, but I don't think I want to try to understand that. It strikes me as spiritually crazy.

    I understand people returning good for good and evil for evil. I get it. I understand returning good for evil. I get it. But returning evil for good I don't get and am not sure I want to try.
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Believers, the born again, are as "sinless" as the blood of Jesus.
    Be careful what you say, as you are denying the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, that is "the gift of righteousness".

    Here is what you need to understand.. The REASON the born again get the "new body" is because God is living in the old one.
    If you believe that God is living inside a sinner then you are deceived and have no understanding of the Blood Atonement, which is pretty obvious.
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    You write things that are not connected to the Thread.
    Can you not do that?
    Try.
     
  11. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Sin is "iniquity", or, its the transgressing against the Law.
    This means, "sin" is related to the Law, as its the Law that defines it as "sin".
    The same DEEDs can be committed, yet not be defined by the Law as "sin".
    This is what happens when a person becomes a believer, and the Law loses its "dominion" or authority to define them any longer as a sinner.
    Once a person is born again, they are under a new spiritual dominion...."you are not under the law you are under GRACE".

    GRACE is now become the dominion they are under.
    GRACE is the dominion of the Kingdom of God that is now their place of Existence, the born again having been "translated from darkness to LIGHT".

    God's Kingdom is the Kingdom of Light. Jesus is the Light of the world, and all the born again, are "children of the Light".
    Most Christians are ignorant of their place in God's Kingdom, because they are taught my fools, who dont understand anything about this, and keep them in the DARK.

    Grace has , through the blood Atonement =established the believer as a "new Creation in Christ" for ETERNITY... who is now no longer a sinner, but has been reclassified SPIRITUALLY in God's perspective, as born again AS "the righteousness of God in Christ".
    So, when you deal with someone who does not understand that being born again changes them from what they were into what they have become thru the "finished work of Jesus", you will hear them defining themselves as if they are still unbelievers, under the Law, as "sinners" who "sin", and "have sin".
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    "Not a sinner."

    We, the born again, can't be both sinners and "the righteousness of God in Christ".

    Having an issue with your flesh, or having carnal thoughts, is not the same as "being a sinner".

    A sinner is an unbeliever.
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God, is "Paul's Gospel".
    Paul said...>"be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ", and that is not a suggestion.
    So, when we are a deep student of Paul, (his Epistles), we are actually coming into the Revelation of God's atonement, exactly as given by Jesus.
    In the time of Paul and Peter, Peter wrote that Paul's letters that he had, and read, and used, were equal to the TORAH. = Old Testament.
    So in the time of the Apostles, they recognized that Paul's letters were SCRIPTURE, and not just letters.
    Thats amazing.........as later Paul's letters became the New Testament, almost all of it.
    Peter understood this 2000 yrs ago, and 2000 yrs later, most "christians" have no idea of this......none.
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, spiritually crazy is right. I'm with you on this one...do not think I will ever want to try it.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    There's a big step from salvation to becoming a son.
     
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    I dont remember Paul asking anyone to follow Him,He did say He was an example to us and that I absolutely agree...
     
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    This is a very common error that is held by a few on this forum. We are not born again mature or discerning or sinless. The purpose of being born again is to put us into a spiritual race of faith...the end of which is glory AND the salvation of our souls. We are born again into the wilderness walk where we must carry our crosses daily. We take the steps that bring us to HIS place of crucifixion. After that His cross carries us!

    Christ in you is the "hope" of glory. We now have access to God and His throne. But so few will seek God for the full grace that gives us the power (grace) over sin.,

    Why?

    Because false teachers have laid themselves across the path that leads to God. They build a wall on the path of glory..and satan builds his gate there. They stop people from proceeding through lies and half-truths. These are deceived and teach the deceptions to others. They are not Christ bearers but Christ barriers..because they have turned the purpose of God on it's head. They seek their own advancement...not the kingdom of God. The kingdom requires self-less crucified people. Short of that and you will end up working for the other side sooner or later. So we are not the resist the Holy Spirit.

    Holiness is found IN Christ...not in us. Even when Jesus is within us...we are not yet holy. We can only partake of His holiness by abiding in Christ. Put on Christ. Jesus in you and you in Jesus are a universe apart. But to bear a holy fruit we must have both.

    There is a cost to enter into holiness. We must surrender all and be accepted INTO the beloved. God is in the business of translating His people into the kingdom realm...in order to walk as Jesus walked...in His resurrection power.

    Put on Christ's perfected humanity by entering into Him. Overcome as He overcame. Run to win! :)
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Every Sunday, (pre-Virus), Millions of people go to Church, worldwide, who are not born again.
    They hear the music, they enjoy the Sermon, they feel the presence of God, and when the Minister invites them to the Cross, and with the Holy Spirit convicting them, they won't go. They REFUSE the Goodness of God, = Reject Salvation, Sunday after Sunday for YEARS and YEARS.
    So, "tasting the Goodness of God", happens all the time, and millions that taste it regularly, refuse to have it.

    I'll give you another thought....
    I write Threads.
    My Threads are really so very simple......the basics of the Basics.

    1.) God saved you.
    2.) God sees you now as a "new Creation" and not as the old sinner.
    3.) You can have deliverance from Sin, and should.
    4.) Here's how.

    This is the "goodness of God"......that im teaching.
    What can be more "good" then to be given a way out of sinning and repenting, so that our Lives truly become "present your bodies a living Sacrifice".
    Yet, I have 20 people here, that can't stand it, bite it, hate it, refuse it, won't hear it, and won't have it.
    All responding with ....>"no, see, im a sinner, i need to repent, here are my verses that i misuse and twist to keep staying a repenting confessing deceived believer".

    So, the Goodness of God, is always being rejected by both the unsaved and the born again, and not just in Church.
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    If we are not "born again sinless" then God is a liar, the Cross is a lie and the Blood of Jesus is a fantasy.

    You have some really deep and dark theological issues that you keep teaching in Public.
    You just denied the finished work of Jesus and refuted and castigated the Grace of God.
    Don't do that, episkopos.
     
  20. Waiting on him

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    Galatians 6:2 KJV
    Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
     
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