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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Behold, Jun 25, 2020.

  1. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    You are able to talk, yet you are unable to understand.
    Read my Threads and you will discover Paul's theology.
    You could use it.
    Believe me.
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    You have confused Revelation 20:11 with the Judgement seat of Christ.
    One is for the Christ rejector, and one is for the Born again.
    One will find you in hell, and one will find you with Jesus.
    Your denomination has confused you., Cristo Rei.
     
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    2 Chr. 34:19 Well-Known Member

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    Paulatry
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Please note that you can't quote me, and you can't teach anything.
    You are accusing, but you dont quote.
    You can spew innuendo, because its all you have.
    You're not honest, and you will continue to be the same.
    Nothing new.
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Pauline Theology.
    Learn it.
     
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    2 Chr. 34:19 Well-Known Member

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    Jesuslatry :)
     
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    Paul said that if you walk in the Spirit you shall not sin.
    Paul said, how can we, who are dead to sin, keep on sinning.

    So, if you don't agree with Paul, i guess you'll keep on writing that we are to be sinners.
    Thats a bad idea, as it contradicts the truth.
     
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    No you just have no idea what he is speaking of.
     
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    U could be right, u could be wrong. U project so much certainty over so much unknown...

    To your claim of being sinless. Don't u ever get angry, feel pride or have any selfish ambitions?
     
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    Are you sinning and repenting?
    You should not be.., according to Paul.
    Read my Threads.
    They can help you, but you have to have to allow yourself to use the NT correctly.
     
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    Exactly! Volume never makes up for content. What I find interesting in all this is that the OP is not trying to ignore the hard verses as most dishonest people do. He is instead inventing a way for it to work...well actually he has simply been indoctrinated by some phoney teacher he was so impressed with that he now wants to seem to be as smart in his own phoniness.

    People tend to follow other people...not God. So we are bombarded with they who have been indoctrinated into a seemingly plausible ideology...but always that denies the true life in Christ that SEES the truth in the life.

    So your discernment is spot on...sister! :)
     
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    Go here..

    Living in the Light
     
  13. Cristo Rei

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    How did u put all that into a small link? That's cool

    That's all interesting but u didn't answer my questions.

    I believe being born again happens at baptism and doesn't secure your salvation

    Paul discusses his battle against sin, his weakness, the thorn in him, spiritual warfare, that the evil one is with him every step of the way.
    In Romans 7 we read about Paul's sinful afflictions. I think he was struggling with sinful feelings and thoughts. Although there are verses where Paul appears to say that we can become sinless, there are others where Paul is clearly talking about his struggle with sin.

    In 1 John 1:8 we are told If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
    But then in 1 John 3:9 we read No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them
    So we see the same thing here with John...

    That's why a thorough examination of consciousness is required cos the smallest of thoughts and feelings are sinful.
    If you work a bit, it's a selfish ambition, a sin. If you have money saved that is a sin, it's easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle
    I could go on and on with things of this nature that everyone does...

    But like i said already, if u feel that u can approach God, unrepentant, with your head held high then i wish you luck.
     
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    Not a sinner.
    ^ OP

    Sin...IS Two fold.
    * Sin IS the Natural state in which a Natural man IS Naturally born.
    * Sin IS that, thought, plot, plan, idea, act that IS Contrary To God.

    * Sinner- IS the Individual Naturally Born, Contrary to God.
    * Sinner- IS the Individuals thoughts, plots, plans, ideas, acts that are Contrary to God.

    IF-
    1 John 1:
    [8] If we say that we "have" no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    IF-
    You were Naturally Born of a man's SEED...
    You "HAVE" sin.

    That Sin in you natural Body Has NOT been Removed.
    Will not BE Removed, UNTIL, you Are Raised in a new, glorious immortal body.

    What A Saved person has, is a Restored (to good) soul.

    What A Born Again person has, is a Natural spirit
    Which is a man's Natural Truth In his heart, Circumcised, cut off, replaced with a new Heart, SEED of God, (and effected by the Power of God, which IS Gods Spirit/ Almighty/ Supreme Power) and Birth of a New "spirit", which is Gods Supernatural Truth.

    (And Gods Supreme Power,
    Is also called Mighty,
    Is also called Light,
    Is also called Wisdom,
    Is also called Gods Seed,
    Is also called by the Title, Christ).

    1 Cor 1:
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    24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    Ezek 18:
    1. [31] Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
    ( a new spirit God makes For us...our spirit )

    Ezek.36
    1. [26] A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
    ( a new spirit God will PUT in us, Gods Spirit )

    And what about the Natural Body? It has not Yet physically Naturally Died. Don't you still "HAVE" your natural birth SIN ?

    It's a mystery of God, who IS Spirit.
    Converted men are spiritually crucified with Christ, and SUPERNATURALLY LIVE "IN" His RISEN Body.

    The SIN IN a man's Natural still physically Alive Body..
    IS, by God....Forgiven...
    (Forgiven does not MAKE the Sin in a Natural Body disappear.
    Forgiven MAKES the "consequence" For Sin Disappear.)

    Gods Spirit IS Light.
    Sin is The opposite of Light.
    Sin IS Darkness, void of Light.

    When a man IS MADE Converted...
    The Spirit of Light (God) enters the man and Inwardly "COVERS" the man's Natural Born Sin, and all Sins committed by the man's Natural bodily flesh.

    It is The COVERING of Gods Light UPON a man's Sin, that MAKES a man (forgiven) Sin, NOT ABLE to be SEEN by God, and thus NOT Remembered by God.

    Rom 4:
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    7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

    Heb 10:
    1. [17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
    Men Who are MADE Converted: (even still in their flesh Bodies...are Not SINLESS)...but according To God (and His record books) Are MADE, Whole and Acceptable to Be Sealed Unto Him and Redeemed by Him, And Receive a Glorious, immortal body on the Day He Resurrects their body UP from the Face of the Earth, or UP out of a tomb in the Earth.

    Gods SEED, birthing a man a new spirit...IS a man's guarantee ...
    Gods Spirit (power) is within the man, that the man CAN NEVER Again "Commit" Sin (which is the man can never AGAIN stand AGAINT God in Disbelief).

    1 John 3:
    [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    A Born Again man IS Not SINLESS...(never called sinnless) but he IS Forgiven, "Covered," and Freed from the Bonds of Sin, that he CAN "Sin NO More."

    Remember the purpose of being Crucified with Christ?

    Rom 6:
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    7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    It is men, NOT God, who consistently point their finger at "other" men and Accuse them of Committing Sin.

    So really? Is it an accusatory man or Gods Word (whosoever is born of God can not commit sin), that is the Truth?

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Are you a sinner, needing to repent. You should be, according to Jesus (Matt & Mark)
     
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    Water Baprism secured nothing.
    Baptism of the Holy Spirit secures The whole person, body, soul, spirt...

    Men do not Become "SINLESS" until they are RISEN UP in a glorious body.

    Remember WHO Paul IS...and Who was IN Paul's crowd.
    Paul was an expert in OT Law, and from an Israel Tribe Under Jewish Law.
    The crowds Listening often were mixed with Jews and Gentiles.
    Paul often used himself as an Example...
    Expressly what was well known historical knowledge to the Jews...and knowledge that had nothing to do with Gentiles NOT under the Law.

    In Jewish Law...umpteen Things were called Sin. Men against men, men against God, mixing fabrics, eating certain foods, certain thoughts, etc. etc.

    Gentile's Sin, is being Naturally Born Against God, Disbelief in God, Disbelief in Christ Jesus and corrupting their soul with their disbelief.

    A Gentiles Sin is between the individual and God...nothing to do with behaviors between men, fabrics, food, NOT celebrating Jewish feasts, sabbaths, etc.



    We all HAVE Sin...for a Converted man, his Sin is forgiven, cover, remembered no more by God, and the man Accounted Whole and sealed unto God and guaranteed to be raised in A New Glorious/ SINLESS Body.

    Examine further. WHO is telling WHO thoughts are a sin?
    Thoughts AGAINST WHO?

    Can you SIN Against a man?
    Can you Forgive a man of Sin?
    I can't.
    That is OT Law.
    My Sin was Against God, and I accepted His Offer to Resolve my Sin Against God, and can never Again Sin Against God.

    Can I Trespass (intentionally or unintentionally) Against men? Sure.
    Do I have The Lords Direction, Authority, and Teaching to Ask men Forgiveness of my Trespass Against them and to Ask them for Forgiveness should I Trespass Against them?
    Most definitely.

    Uh no. That is OT laws.

    Jesus' message is about BELIEF in God, in Jesus..(The Word of God), Trusting and Submitting to His Power to Keep that man Freed from all Disbelief or Trust IN God.

    Jesus never taught Believe IN Earthly men.

    Jesus Never taught a Converted man to Repeatedly claim he is committing Sin or to repeatedly ask God for Forgiveness.

    But men teach that and men (even men who claim to be Converted) claim to repeatedly ask God for forgiveness.

    Why?
    Do they NOT Trust God has forgiven them their Sin?
    Do they NOT Trust God has Freed them from Sin?
    Do they NOT Trust God will forgive their Trespasses Against men, IF the man forgives men who have Trespassed Against them?
    He already said He would.

    Prayers TO God should be ABOUT God...Praise, Thankfulness, Exalting, Expressing Love and Adornation...and Guidance for anything good they desire to do.

    And how do many people actually pray...?
    Forgive me, forgive me, forgive me...Oh oh make my Aunt sick with cancer Well...make my kids behave, I could use a new home, car, big big TV, another Job I like...blah, blah, blah, me, me, me.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Sounds like you no longer have a physical body. You must not need to spend a lot on personal necessities. If Judas had not hung himself, he would have been in competition with that title Paul used, "chief of sinners". Paul admitted, he had to die daily. You use Paul as your source of information, yet claim you no longer have a physical body?
     
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    U responded to my post which was directed at the OP, as a result your answers are mostly irrelevant...

    Can you explain what u mean by "baptism of the Holy Spirit", what u mean by "secures the whole person, body, soul, spirt"
    and how you can be so convinced about that...
     
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    "And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:5
     
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