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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17.

What you have to keep in mind is; when you are looking at the scriptures in general nobody in the Old Testament had a inner work of God. There were plenty of wonderful miracle's and how God would provide for the children of Israel in the dessert and so on. The patriarchs of old are some of the best stories we can read in our Bible's. Some people even believers cannot believe how some of the Old Testament event's played out, but I believe they happened exactly the way they are written. So when you start to make statements about the Old Testament some Christian's may have a hard time dividing up the Old and the New based on how they see and know the written scriptures.

My early days as a Christian was spent mostly in the Old Testament. There was something about it that drew me to it. To me the New Testament just wasn't as appealing for some odd reason. I preached my first message out of Ezekiel just a few months into my salvation. I was scared to death to get up in front of about 50 people and give something. I wanted to do it, I was asked and I did it. Before the service a saintly little mother asked "what are you preaching on" I replied! Out of Ezekiel. Oh she said, shouldn't you be preaching John 3:16 or something easy. Well she was probably right but it didn't really matter at a few months you really don't have much to say, you would be better off to just testify.

My point is the Old Testament is still a wonderful study and blessing to go over but as you may know now I have come to talk more about New Testament work than anything that could ever take place in the Old Testament. I still have a feel for the Old Testament but it should not override a believers understanding when it comes to understanding the things of God. As a matter of fact it can't override the things of God because the deep things of God will come to you as a result of your New Testament understanding.

What is the deep things of God? First I would call it "Christ in you the hope of glory." You cannot get any deeper than Christ in you.
Second it is; the meat of the word of God. It is the "taste and see that the Lord is good," that sustenance that is deep in the core of the being of a person. It is spiritual food that satisfies human hunger to know and understand the things of God.

Do you know why we will grab on to things sometimes that really may not be good for us? Because of hunger, people are hungry to know God. If you are hungry to know God follow on with what you know and understand but yielded to the Holyspirit. That will be your absolute establishing (rooted and grounded) in him. Why should we follow understanding? Understanding is the way God is going to lead you. What you know and understand is how you stay interested in scripture and serving God. What happens when we see people go way off the deep end? They have taken up their own mind and determined in themselves and left little room for Spirit teaching (revelation).

So to say there was no inner work of God in the Old Testament is to say "that the Spirit of God came upon man" but was never in them. In the New Testament we have the Holyspirit indwelling believers from the day of Pentecost on. From that moment on believers would have the Holyspirit as their teacher of the "Christ in them." You know how to yield to the Holyspirit? Your mind, it is a mind issue, with the mind you yield to the Holyspirit. The Holyspirit is soulish, he is in the soul of believers to teach them and to teach them a very specific deep understanding coming from scripture. Glory!
 
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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17.

A better understanding from the Greek text is

In so much that, if any man is a renewed/refurbished creature in Christ, the old {person} has passed away, lo, the whole {person} has become renewed/refurbished.
The next verse or so goes on to state: -

Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

The "old" is the fallen person, the refurbished/renewed person has been reconciled to God through the reconciliation of Christ, which today is the work of the Saints to their fellow man.

Shalom

PS: - It is not longer the old versus the new, but the renewed you, overtaking the old you.
 
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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17.

What you have to keep in mind is; when you are looking at the scriptures in general nobody in the Old Testament had a inner work of God. There were plenty of wonderful miracle's and how God would provide for the children of Israel in the dessert and so on. The patriarchs of old are some of the best stories we can read in our Bible's. Some people even believers cannot believe how some of the Old Testament event's played out, but I believe they happened exactly the way they are written. So when you start to make statements about the Old Testament some Christian's may have a hard time dividing up the Old and the New based on how they see and know the written scriptures.

My early days as a Christian was spent mostly in the Old Testament. There was something about it that drew me to it. To me the New Testament just wasn't as appealing for some odd reason. I preached my first message out of Ezekiel just a few months into my salvation. I was scared to death to get up in front of about 50 people and give something. I wanted to do it, I was asked and I did it. Before the service a saintly little mother asked "what are you preaching on" I replied! Out of Ezekiel. Oh she said, shouldn't you be preaching John 3:16 or something easy. Well she was probably right but it didn't really matter at a few months you really don't have much to say, you would be better off to just testify.

My point is the Old Testament is still a wonderful study and blessing to go over but as you may know now I have come to talk more about New Testament work than anything that could ever take place in the Old Testament. I still have a feel for the Old Testament but it should not override a believers understanding when it comes to understanding the things of God. As a matter of fact it can't override the things of God because the deep things of God will come to you as a result of your New Testament understanding.

What is the deep things of God? First I would call it "Christ in you the hope of glory." You cannot get any deeper than Christ in you.
Second it is; the meat of the word of God. It is the "taste and see that the Lord is good," that sustenance that is deep in the core of the being of a person. It is spiritual food that satisfies human hunger to know and understand the things of God.

Do you know why we will grab on to things sometimes that really may not be good for us? Because of hunger, people are hungry to know God. If you are hungry to know God follow on with what you know and understand but yielded to the Holyspirit. That will be your absolute establishing (rooted and grounded) in him. Why should we follow understanding? Understanding is the way God is going to lead you. What you know and understand is how you stay interested in scripture and serving God. What happens when we see people go way off the deep end? They have taken up their own mind and determined in themselves and left little room for Spirit teaching (revelation).

So to say there was no inner work of God in the Old Testament is to say "that the Spirit of God came upon man" but was never in them. In the New Testament we have the Holyspirit indwelling believers from the day of Pentecost on. From that moment on believers would have the Holyspirit as their teacher of the "Christ in them." You know how to yield to the Holyspirit? Your mind, it is a mind issue, with the mind you yield to the Holyspirit. The Holyspirit is soulish, he is in the soul of believers to teach them and to teach them a very specific deep understanding coming from scripture. Glory!
@soul man It shows how crucial in the understanding of the new birth is Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came to indwell, unlike His temporary -though powerful - presence in the Old Testament.
 
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@soul man It shows how crucial in the understanding of the new birth is Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came to indwell, unlike His temporary -though powerful - presence in the Old Testament.

You know in the Old Testament seems the Spirit had a different roll if you will, compared to what he is doing today (from the day of Penecost). In the Old Testament when He came on those that He would use for a very specific purpose He had a different way of dealing with humanity than today, thank God. Today He has come to bring revelation knowledge for believers, and conviction for the unregenerate. He is the teacher of the things of God, He brings Spirit taught knowledge and understanding for living. That is a 360 degree turn from what He did in the Old Testament. Paul admonished we be filled with the Spirit daily.
 

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You know in the Old Testament seems the Spirit had a different roll if you will, compared to what he is doing today (from the day of Penecost). In the Old Testament when He came on those that He would use for a very specific purpose He had a different way of dealing with humanity than today, thank God. Today He has come to bring revelation knowledge for believers, and conviction for the unregenerate. He is the teacher of the things of God, He brings Spirit taught knowledge and understanding for living. That is a 360 degree turn from what He did in the Old Testament. Paul admonished we be filled with the Spirit daily.
@soul man My extrapolation would be that this more than ever invites a dispensational understanding of Scripture, in my humble opinion: clearing distinguishing the church from Israel.
 
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@soul man My extrapolation would be that this more than ever invites a dispensational understanding of Scripture, in my humble opinion: clearing distinguishing the church from Israel.

I think that would be a good way to look at it. Because we are different and that needs to be looked at from a scriptural point of view.
 
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My point is the Old Testament is still a wonderful study and blessing to go over but as you may know now I have come to talk more about New Testament work than anything that could ever take place in the Old Testament. I still have a feel for the Old Testament but it should not override a believers understanding when it comes to understanding the things of God. As a matter of fact it can't override the things of God because the deep things of God will come to you as a result of your New Testament understanding.

I have come to find that the Old testament is is the New Testament hidden, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealsed.

as the saying goes, if you want to know where you're going, one need to know where they came from. so I agree that the OT is a schoolmaster for our "LEARNING".

be blessed,

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I have come to find that the Old testament is is the New Testament hidden, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealsed.

as the saying goes, if you want to know where you're going, one need to know where they came from. so I agree that the OT is a schoolmaster for our "LEARNING".

be blessed,

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I had a friend that used to say the Old Testament was the New Testament concealed and New Testament was the Old Testament revealed. I always felt that was a good way of looking at it.
 

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I had a friend that used to say the Old Testament was the New Testament concealed and New Testament was the Old Testament revealed. I always felt that was a good way of looking at it.
AMEN, Romans 15:4 (kjv)

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