Omnist Christianity and the elohim.

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Before I dive into omnist Christianity I wanted to first cover what is a god. In the Bible there are a few words for god. In Aramaic the word is elah. In Hebrew the world is elohim. In koine Greek it’s theos and is the foundation for the study of god which is theology, while the story of the word of god is bibliology. One misconception is that Elohim is the name of our god. But it’s not. It’s just the plural word for god sometimes used for the singular, much like the pronouns they/them….. sometimes our god was called The God and that’s how the confusion begin. In the Bible the main names of god is Yahweh and El. (But those names may be of two separate gods that were later on conflated into one god in our tradition but that’s another thread for another day ).

So now for the word god. One of the most common ones is the Hebrew elohim. The first obvious use is that it is for the the deity we worship as the god of gods. Which brings up the issue that how can God be the god of gods is there are not other gods. So how else is god used. Well obviously it’s being used for other beings. Such as in Judges 11:24 when it says “eloheka” which is just a form of elohim (h430).

Additionally we see that Jesus in the gospels gets accused of being wrong for saying he’s the son of god in John 10:34-38. “ 34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law: ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be nullified), 36 are you saying of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”

So Jesus refers to humans as gods. The verse he’s quoting comes from Psalms 82:6 though that psalms is not about humans but angels. But we do see humans referred to as gods in the tanakh/ Old Testament. In 1 Samuel 28:13-14 it calls the ghost of Samuel. It refers to his spirit as Elohim.

So we see the word god being used for our god Yahweh, used for other gods like Baal and Chemosh and for humans.

So now to Omnism. Omnism is the belief that all paths lead to god. One form of henotheism is that there is just one god and that one god has revealed himself to mankind as many different gods. This god came to the ancient Indians as Braham, to ancient Canaanites as El, to ancient Jews as Yahweh, to ancient Iranians as Ahura Mazda. That’s what we see the Bible accommodating ancient Jewish beliefs. The scholar of the tanakh Richard Friedman shows in his book “ Commentary of the Torah “ that Genesis 1 paints a picture of a flat world, floating on the chaotic waters with a dome over it. We see Joshua thinking the sun moves around us.

We see further examples of this one god revealing himself in many ways in the Bible also by the fact it borrows texts from other faiths. Genesis 1-11 is a reimagining of The Epic of the Gilgamesh. We see psalms 29 taking a poem originally meant for Baal changed to be about El and in the New Testament we see that a statue to an unknown god is hijacked to refer to Yahweh. There is also this verse that seems to indicate Yahweh was a god under the god El before they were conflated into one being.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High apportioned the nations,
when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the gods;
9 the Lord’s own portion was his people,
Jacob his allotted share.

The word for Most High is elyown which is a version of El. The word for the lord is Yhvh which is Yahweh. So the verse may very well be read accurately as

When El apportioned the nations,
when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the gods;
9 Yahweh’s own portion was his people,
Jacob his allotted share.

Some believe that perhaps Yahweh use to be an angel, possibly the angel of the lord who some think is Jesus, who was to govern over Israel.

An omnist Christian is a Christian who believes in one supreme God who had revealed himself to mankind as many gods and this supreme being of love and justice was incarnated in the flesh as Jesus Christ. We also believe that this same god will have revealed himself to any other species that exists in the universe.
 
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I like how the CEV renders the verse:
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them
The Hosts of Heaven does seem to be guardian angels. Seems to be the same thing that we later on see being called “ the princes” like here in Daniel 10.

10 But then a hand touched me and roused me to my hands and knees. 11 He said to me, “Daniel, greatly beloved, pay attention to the words that I am going to speak to you. Stand on your feet, for I have now been sent to you.” So while he was speaking this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 He said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia 14 and have come to help you understand what is to happen to your people at the end of days. For there is a further vision for those days.”
 

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A fallen angel .
Definitely could be. Nowadays most forms of Christianity has dropped differences between enochian angels, fallen angels, demons, and spirits and just labeled them all fallen angels. In Judaism and early Christianity it seems to have been more diverse. Heiser’s books “Demons” and the “Unseen Realm” dives into it a bit.

So to many Jews Satan is not evil. He’s an angel that is placed in power by God to test mankind and harm evil doers much like the angel of death is not evil but brings suffering to those he’s sent to by god. Many don’t believe the serpent was Satan. That’s mostly Christians and that’s mostly around 300ad and later with the canonization of revelation.

Some Jews believed that Satan was an evil being and even associated with the serpent since serpent, seraphim and sorcery are alluding to the same root letters . We see this in the Zohar and the major midrashim. Obviously the Kabbalah does as well.

There is much evidence also that some believed that Satan was metaphorical for suffering, delusions and so on. John Walton’s book “ Demons and Spirits in Biblical theology.

Most Jews also seemed to distinct between fallen angels and demons. To many even those who reject satanic angels still believe in enochian angels. Some believes demons are the spirits of the dead nephilim.

Some don’t even think princes are fallen. They believe that the hosts of heaven which is a group of angels sometimes don’t agree with one another. We see hints of this here. 1 kings 22

19 Then Micaiahsaid, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, with all the host of heaven standing beside him to the right and to the left of him. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, so that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ Then one said one thing, and another said another, 21 until a certain spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 ‘How?’ the Lord asked him. He replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then the Lord said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do it.’ 23 So you see, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

There we see the hosts of heaven discussing how to deceive Ahab. If they are discussing it means different ideas are going around. So some believe that the princes were angels , and sometimes angels disagreed and fought.
 

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So to many Jews Satan is not evil. He’s an angel that is placed in power by God to test mankind and harm evil doers much like the angel of death is not evil but brings suffering to those he’s sent to by god. Many don’t believe the serpent was Satan. That’s mostly Christians and that’s mostly around 300ad and later with the canonization of revelation.
I need to do more research on this, especially the bold underlined part, to be honest, it’s quite refreshing to read something different, than the same old path .a lot of us tread on this forum..

Be back later, to voice, thanks for sharing.
 

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Definitely could be. Nowadays most forms of Christianity has dropped differences between enochian angels, fallen angels, demons, and spirits and just labeled them all fallen angels. In Judaism and early Christianity it seems to have been more diverse. Heiser’s books “Demons” and the “Unseen Realm” dives into it a bit.

So to many Jews Satan is not evil. He’s an angel that is placed in power by God to test mankind and harm evil doers much like the angel of death is not evil but brings suffering to those he’s sent to by god. Many don’t believe the serpent was Satan. That’s mostly Christians and that’s mostly around 300ad and later with the canonization of revelation.

Some Jews believed that Satan was an evil being and even associated with the serpent since serpent, seraphim and sorcery are alluding to the same root letters . We see this in the Zohar and the major midrashim. Obviously the Kabbalah does as well.

There is much evidence also that some believed that Satan was metaphorical for suffering, delusions and so on. John Walton’s book “ Demons and Spirits in Biblical theology.

Most Jews also seemed to distinct between fallen angels and demons. To many even those who reject satanic angels still believe in enochian angels. Some believes demons are the spirits of the dead nephilim.

Some don’t even think princes are fallen. They believe that the hosts of heaven which is a group of angels sometimes don’t agree with one another. We see hints of this here. 1 kings 22

19 Then Micaiahsaid, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, with all the host of heaven standing beside him to the right and to the left of him. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, so that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ Then one said one thing, and another said another, 21 until a certain spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 ‘How?’ the Lord asked him. He replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then the Lord said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do it.’ 23 So you see, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

There we see the hosts of heaven discussing how to deceive Ahab. If they are discussing it means different ideas are going around. So some believe that the princes were angels , and sometimes angels disagreed and fought.
I have come to the conclusion that because you don't believe in the scriptures, you'll believe in anything...or nothing. What you are presenting is all theory and others ideas. And no truth. And you can't decide which is correct. You hop from one theory to another, from one philosopher to another, and think you are learning. And teaching. You aren't doing either.
“1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ”
2 Timothy 3:1-7 KJV
 

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I have come to the conclusion that because you don't believe in the scriptures, you'll believe in anything...or nothing. What you are presenting is all theory and others ideas. And no truth. And you can't decide which is correct. You hop from one theory to another, from one philosopher to another, and think you are learning. And teaching. You aren't doing either.
“1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ”
2 Timothy 3:1-7 KJV
Well you have greatly misunderstood everything I’ve written. Since I do believe in scriptures. I believe in them more than you if I’m being honest. What I don’t believe in is your interpretation of the Bible. What I don’t believe in is your approach to Christianity that is built off of fear, built off a lack of understanding the Jewish culture, built off of concordism and built off of what is most likely considered biblical literalism.

So I believe 100% in the teachings of Jesus Christ and that the scriptures are the words of God. The difference is that I believe the Bible is a story written by dozens and dozens of biblical authors from different Jewish sects with different beliefs that over thousands of years was redacted by them , often placed side by side.

You probably believe that the Holy Spirit hijacked men, they were in something like a possessed state and wrote word for word a systematic theology that is historical and filled with scientific facts.

So I don’t think you believe the word of God but believe in the western modern interpretation of Jesus and God.
 

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I have come to the conclusion that because you don't believe in the scriptures, you'll believe in anything...or nothing. What you are presenting is all theory and others ideas. And no truth. And you can't decide which is correct. You hop from one theory to another, from one philosopher to another, and think you are learning. And teaching. You aren't doing either.
“1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ”
2 Timothy 3:1-7 KJV
And don’t forget. Everything you believe in is nothing more than your interpretation of the Bible as well. It’s all “theory” as well.
 
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And don’t forget. Everything you believe in is nothing more than your interpretation of the Bible as well. It’s all “theory” as well.
I don’t believe in the Bible or maybe another way of saying it is, I only believe in God, by divine heart revelation.the Bible is just confirmation about the Spirit Of God.

The Bible is not God.,,The Bible could never contain the Spirit Of God..just my thoughts, Brother, can’t be proven.

Nice to see you settling in and that you decided to stay.

Your posts are very insightful..as long as everyone takes their time reading them.
 

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I need to do more research on this, especially the bold underlined part, to be honest, it’s quite refreshing to read something different, than the same old path .a lot of us tread on this forum..

Be back later, to voice, thanks for sharing.
“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. ”
Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
“3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ”
Revelation 12:9 KJV
 
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“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. ”
Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
“3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ”
Revelation 12:9 KJV
That’s your understanding and interpretation of scripture ,Brakelite.

Just as @Skovand showed you.

I don’t understand any of that scripture.,.it doesn’t resonate /speak to my spirit/heart.

God speaks to me his way...through scripture,thanks for posting though.

An example of the Spirit leading me through scripture.

Romans 8:14-17 New International Version (NIV) For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship

Romans 8

King James Version

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Well you have greatly misunderstood everything I’ve written. Since I do believe in scriptures. I believe in them more than you if I’m being honest. What I don’t believe in is your interpretation of the Bible. What I don’t believe in is your approach to Christianity that is built off of fear, built off a lack of understanding the Jewish culture, built off of concordism and built off of what is most likely considered biblical literalism.

So I believe 100% in the teachings of Jesus Christ and that the scriptures are the words of God. The difference is that I believe the Bible is a story written by dozens and dozens of biblical authors from different Jewish sects with different beliefs that over thousands of years was redacted by them , often placed side by side.

You probably believe that the Holy Spirit hijacked men, they were in something like a possessed state and wrote word for word a systematic theology that is historical and filled with scientific facts.

So I don’t think you believe the word of God but believe in the western modern interpretation of Jesus and God.
Wow. You know so much about me! That's astonishing. How do you do it?
 

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“3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
If they don’t endure sound doctrine, then they were never Born Again in the first place..there’s another opinion/ interpretation of said scripture.
 

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I have come to the conclusion that because you don't believe in the scriptures, you'll believe in anything...or nothing. What you are presenting is all theory and others ideas. And no truth. And you can't decide which is correct. You hop from one theory to another, from one philosopher to another, and think you are learning. And teaching. You aren't doing either.
“1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ”
2 Timothy 3:1-7 KJV
Here is a question for you. In Acts 16 we read of a girl possessed by a spirit that tells the future. This is a typical translation of verses 16-18.

16 One day as we were going to the place of prayer, we met a female slave who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners a great deal of money by fortune-telling. 17 While she followed Paul and us, she would cry out, “These men are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” 18 She kept doing this for many days. But Paul, very much annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.

Was that spirit of divination a fallen angel? A demon? Why was this evil being, if you think it’s evil, possessing this girl and telling everyone that what they are saying is true. Why would evil being say….. these men are slaves of the most high god and are proclaiming to you the way of salvation?

Was this being lying or telling the truth?

Now let’s look at some of it in Greek. See if it changes anything. So the words I want to focus on is in verse 16 and it’s “spirit of divination.” In Greek those words are “pneuma Pythōna.”

You can see that in the link pneuma is spirit which most agrees. What’s debated is the second part. It’s actually a name. It can be better understood as a spirit of Pythona or one of Pythona’s spirits. ( yes it’s where we get the word python from. As in snake.

So who is this?

Well in Greek mythology it’s associated with the Pythian dragon who protected the oracle of Delphi which the priestess lived who foretold the future until the dragon was slain by Apollos.

Why did Paul mention the Greek Pythian Dragon’s spirit possessing a slave girl who was following them around telling everyone the good news that they are apostles of the most high god and they are trying to teach you all how to be saved?

In the Jewish culture, and in the Bible, the spirits of divination were associated with two groups. The necromancers and the astrologers.

Now the necromancers were mostly showcased as evil but the astrologers were sometimes shown to be good. Astrologers were those who looked to the heavens to see the signs of the gods. They even play a role in the gospel. Matthew 2:1-8

2 In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, magi from the east came to Jerusalem, 2 asking, “Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews? For we observed his star in the east and have come to pay him homage.”3 When King Herod heard this, he was frightened, and all Jerusalem with him, 4 and calling together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it has been written by the prophet:

6 ‘And you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah,
for from you shall come a ruler
who is to shepherd my people Israel.’ ”
7 Then Herod secretly called for the magi and learned from them the exact time when the star had appeared. 8 Then he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, “Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word so that I may also go and pay him homage.”

In these verses it mentions these pagan magi who came from the east. They traveled from the east of Jerusalem. So they most likely came from Babylon or Medea. Here the astrologist are shown in a positive light. They followed a star to Jerusalem and found a baby Jesus and blessed him with many riches which aided Joseph and Mary being able to flee west to Egypt after Herod tried to have him killed.

So what star was they following? Were they following natural start in the heavens? Was it a shooting star? How did they know what sign to look for?

What were the stars to ancient Jews?


It seems many of the ancient people, including early Christians and and even older Jews believed that stars were living beings. That they were souls. Some even believed the resurrected body was us ascending to the heavens as stars.

One belief concerning Eschatology is that the fallen stars of heaven in revelation is that the starry creatures have fallen to earth because in Genesis 1 they are said to govern the seasons and times and since the world is ending, they longer need to be in the heavens to govern future time.

so what is my belief? Is my belief the same thing as all the beliefs I show in a post? Do you disagree and if so, why and how?
 

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Wow. You know so much about me! That's astonishing. How do you do it?
I don’t know you. I just know myself and that’s how I know you don’t know me. The rest is just based off of what you say and how triggered you get at another interpretation and the god like status you uphold your own interpretation.
 

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have come to the conclusion that because you don't believe in the scriptures, you'll believe in anything...or nothing. What you are presenting is all theory and others ideas.
That's how I see it as well. Rather than straight up say he rejects Scripture, he invents personal interpretation. Clearly, he is a Leftist at heart, where words can expand and contract to mean whatever you want them to mean. @Skovand, how do you interpret these verses in the world view of many gods in this world?
Exodus 3:15
God also said to Moses, “Say this to the children of Israel: ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered for generation after generation.
Isaiah 45:6
6 so that they may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is no one besides me;
I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Joel 2:27 (REV)
I am Yahweh your God, and there is no other
 
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