On the day of the Lord's wrath

[Karl Peters]

In my daily time with the Lord the Lord talked to me about the following and asked me to post a thread on it. He wanted it here, because it is His prophecy, but it applies to us all Today.

I spent the first 40 years of my life not knowing the Lord personally. I had never heard a word from Him. Then He came into my life and now we talk everyday called "Today". That started over 20 years ago. Him and I, we talk. And one of the first things you actually find out when you start talking back and forth with His is that, contrary to what the worlds thinks, the Lord has His hands into almost every little thing. That is to say; that the Lord is out there doing good, and sometimes evil if some deserve it. Now He is love, but it is also written that a Father who loves His son will punish His son. Many a nation has perished because the Lord made it so. Which brings us to the point He wants covered.

Zep 1:12 “It will come about at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps,
And I will punish the men Who are stagnant in spirit,
Who say in their hearts, ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

So there is a time when the Lord goes about searching out men "Who are stagnant in spirit" to punish them!!!!

And we know them, or if it happens to be us, because they are those men who have said to themselves that 'The Lord will not go good or evil'.

That is what I pretty much thought before I knew Him. God didn't seem to be around one way or another. But that is the last thing I could think now that I actually know Him. Now, He does often amaze me that He does just move in on some of them men of this world and kick their buts right now. But I had seen Him do it, even with me when I tend to get rebellious. Yet He has He day and time for doing things, and He is doing things everyday, just not what I expect.

Frankly, I am afraid to lie, cheat, or steal, because I know that He knows and sometimes and will at some point do something about it to me personally. That phrase spare the rod spoil the child has roots in the Bible.

He once told me, "Karl, vengeance is Mine!! I do that!! I take vengeance!!"

He does it. And note: He did not say He will do that, He said He does that! Too many people thing 'at that time' means some time a long time from now, but it is a more person time. People die every day. And at that point, if that time for them has not yet come it then comes.

Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD’S wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

The unbeliever is the person thinking that Jesus Christ, the Lord and Word of God, is not alive and active; simply because they don't actually know Him. They are anyone thinking that the Lord is not around and doing good and evil if need. It is too often true with those who collected fortunes with out considering the righteousness of their method. They lie! They might steal!! They often deceive!! And they tell themselves that God does not know, and does not do anything about it. It sadly sounds like too many of the men in leadership today in the USA. What is a little spin on a news story to make the evil sound good? I can tell you what it is - it is a lie and a confession that you don't know the Lord and feel that He will not do good of evil.

Nations have disappeared for this reason!!

Even Israel, God chosen, was taken away for a long time for this reason. We need to get wise. We need to start to believe, really believe, that God is in our midst, and alive and active!! Believe that and it will be good for us, otherwise don't believe and He will take action!

Zep 2:9 “Therefore, as I live,” declares the LORD of hosts, The God of Israel,
“Surely Moab will be like Sodom And the sons of Ammon like Gomorrah—
A place possessed by nettles and salt pits, And a perpetual desolation.
The remnant of My people will plunder them And the remainder of My nation will inherit them.”

So what about the USA? God's personality does change. Are we to be a sexually perverted nation, of lies and deceit, like Sodom?
Or are we going to be a nation of people seeking the voice of the Lord who is alive and active

 

[Keraz]

Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to desolation and to destroy all the wicked there.
1 Samuel 2:10 Those who oppose the Lord will be terrified, when He strikes from the heavens.

2 Samuel 22:8-16 The earth shakes from the Lord’s burning anger. He comes, with fiery arrows.

Psalms 11:6 He will rain fiery coals onto the wicked, scorching winds will strike them.

Psalms 18:13 The Lord thunders from the heavens amid a hail of glowing coals.

Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace, it will consume them.

Psalms 79:5-6 Pour out Your wrath on godless nations. Your fury will blaze like fire.

Psalms 97:2-5 Cloud enfolds Him, fire goes ahead and consumes His enemies.

Psalm 144:5-6 Part the heavens and come down, make smoke and send Your arrows far and wide.

Isaiah 2:12&21 The Lord has a Day of doom for the ungodly. He will arise and strike with terror.

Isaiah 4:4b The Lord will cleanse Jerusalem, with His judgement burning like fire.

Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked people will burn, the land scorched and the people fuel for the fire.

Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, in one Day it will burn up His enemies.

Isaiah 13:6 Wail, for the Day of the Lord is at hand, devastation from the Almighty.

Isaiah 21:1 A Day of storms, sweeping through the wilderness, from a land of terror.

Isaiah 22:5 For the Lord has ordained a Day of tumult, a Day of woe and disaster in the world.

Isaiah 24:1 Beware, the Lord is about to strip the earth and scatter its inhabitants.

Isaiah 26:21 The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish peoples for their sins.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.

Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength on that Day.

Isaiah 34:2-4 The Lord’s anger is against all the nations, they are given over to slaughter. The sky will be rolled up like a scroll and their host [satellites] will fall like ripe figs.

Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord will go forth like a warrior, He will lay waste to the earth.

Isaiah 51:6...the sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.

Isaiah 54:16 It was I who created the destroyer- with coals of fire, to deal out havoc.

Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury.

Isaiah 64:1-2 When You tear apart the heavens, fire blazes and water boils.

Isaiah 66:15 The Lord will judge with fire, testing all mankind and many will be slain by Him.

Jeremiah 4:7 The Destroyer of nations has risen from His lair, cities will be waste and empty.

Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.

Jeremiah 12:14 I shall uproot the evil neighbours from My peoples Land, Judah too I will uproot.

Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, heard everywhere – the godless peoples will die.

Jeremiah 30:23 See what a scorching wind goes out, it whirls around the heads of the wicked.

Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, it’s fiery flame will not be put out.

Ezekiel 21:3 & 28 I shall draw My sword of judgement and kill the righteous and wicked alike from the Negev northward. A sword drawn for slaughter, flashing like lightning.

Ezekiel 22:20As metal is melted in the crucible, so I shall gather you in My anger and refine you

Ezekiel 30:3-8 A Day is near, the Day of the Lord, a Day of doom and reckoning for the nations.

Hosea 8:14 Israel and Judah have forgotten their Maker, I shall send fire to burn their cities.

Hosea 9:7 The Day of punishment and wrath has come. Because of your guilt no one can see it.

Hosea 10:14 The tumult of disaster will rise against peoples, fortresses will be overthrown.

Joel 1:15 The Day is near, it comes – a mighty destruction from the Lord.

Joel 2:11 The Lord thunders as he leads the host. Great and terrible is the Day, who can endure it?

Amos 1:1-15 I shall send fire on Damascus, Gaza, Tyre, Edom and Ammon.

Amos 2:1-16 I shall send fire on Moab and Judah. Of Israel- their bravest warriors will flee.

Amos 5:17 There will be wailing in every vineyard, for I shall pass through your midst.

Amos 8:2-3 On that Day, I shall judge Israel, so many corpses laying everywhere.

Amos 8:8-9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon and the earth will quake like ocean waves.

Obadiah 15 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the peoples, their deeds will recoil on them.

Micah 1:3-4 Even now, the Lord is leaving His dwelling place, He comes down with fire.

Micah 4:11-12 Now, many nations are massed against Zion, they are gathered for the threshing.

Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military and devastate your cities.

Nahum 1:1-3 The Lord is a God of vengeance, He will not let the guilty escape punishment.

Habakkuk 3:13-14 You go out to save Your people, You shatter the wicked, they are swept away.

Zephaniah 1:3 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees.

Zephaniah 2:2 Seek the Lord, seek righteousness, it may be you will be sheltered on that Day.

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day, when I stand up and accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.

Haggai 2:6 & 22 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens and the earth, I will break the power of the heathen realms.

Zechariah 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrows will flash, with trumpet and storms.

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the godless will be as stubble, set ablaze.

Luke 21 :25-26 Signs will appear in the sky. People will stand helpless in fear of what is coming.

Hebrews 10:27 For the godless, there is only the terrifying expectation of judgement, of a fierce fire that will consume the Lord’s enemies.

2 Peter 3:10 The Day of the Lord will come unexpectedly. On that Day, the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound, the elements dissolved in flames and the earth with all that is in it will be brought to judgement.

Revelation 6:12-14 The Lamb broke the sixth seal. There was a violent earthquake, the sun turned black, the stars [satellites] fell to the earth like ripe figs, the sky rolled up like a scroll and every mountain and island was dislodged from its place.
Ref: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

These 72 Bible verses are most of those which describe the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. They are quite different and separate from what happens at the Day of the Sovereign Lord, Revelation 16:4, that is at the return of Jesus. It is obvious that this terrible Day is before the Return, as ‘He will arise, He comes down, dense cloud enfolds Him’, etc. Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:7-12 It is not and cannot be a manmade event, such as a nuclear exchange, that would not cause all the effects described and would leave radiation pollution in the Land.

This Day is the means whereby the Lord judges the nations, not individuals, as at the Great White Throne, much later and it is mainly those nations and entities that commence an attack upon the State of Israel. It is the fulfilment of Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12.

All of the Land promised to the Patriarchs will be cleansed and depopulated, excepting for a protected remnant of Jews in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:5, Isaiah 37:31-32, Daniel 12:1

This event will allow the second Exodus to take place – all those whom the Lord will call – His people, those righteous ones who love and obey Him: every born again Christian, will travel to the new country of Beulah, to live there in peace, security and great prosperity.
Ezekiel 36, Jeremiah 30, Romans 9:24-26

‘Many’ of them will agree to a seven year peace treaty with the World leader, but he will break it by coming to Jerusalem and enthroning himself in the Temple. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Half of the Christians, those who did not agree to the treaty, will be taken to a place of safety for 3½ years – the duration of the Great Tribulation. Then the Lord Jesus Returns, to reign for 1000 years.

 

[Randy Kluth]

In my daily time with the Lord the Lord talked to me about the following and asked me to post a thread on it. He wanted it here, because it is His prophecy, but it applies to us all Today.

I spent the first 40 years of my life not knowing the Lord personally. I had never heard a word from Him. Then He came into my life and now we talk everyday called "Today". That started over 20 years ago. Him and I, we talk. And one of the first things you actually find out when you start talking back and forth with His is that, contrary to what the worlds thinks, the Lord has His hands into almost every little thing. That is to say; that the Lord is out there doing good, and sometimes evil if some deserve it. Now He is love, but it is also written that a Father who loves His son will punish His son. Many a nation has perished because the Lord made it so. Which brings us to the point He wants covered.

Zep 1:12 “It will come about at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps,
And I will punish the men Who are stagnant in spirit,
Who say in their hearts, ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

So there is a time when the Lord goes about searching out men "Who are stagnant in spirit" to punish them!!!!

And we know them, or if it happens to be us, because they are those men who have said to themselves that 'The Lord will not go good or evil'.

That is what I pretty much thought before I knew Him. God didn't seem to be around one way or another. But that is the last thing I could think now that I actually know Him. Now, He does often amaze me that He does just move in on some of them men of this world and kick their buts right now. But I had seen Him do it, even with me when I tend to get rebellious. Yet He has He day and time for doing things, and He is doing things everyday, just not what I expect.

Frankly, I am afraid to lie, cheat, or steal, because I know that He knows and sometimes and will at some point do something about it to me personally. That phrase spare the rod spoil the child has roots in the Bible.

He once told me, "Karl, vengeance is Mine!! I do that!! I take vengeance!!"

He does it. And note: He did not say He will do that, He said He does that! Too many people thing 'at that time' means some time a long time from now, but it is a more person time. People die every day. And at that point, if that time for them has not yet come it then comes.

Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD’S wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

The unbeliever is the person thinking that Jesus Christ, the Lord and Word of God, is not alive and active; simply because they don't actually know Him. They are anyone thinking that the Lord is not around and doing good and evil if need. It is too often true with those who collected fortunes with out considering the righteousness of their method. They lie! They might steal!! They often deceive!! And they tell themselves that God does not know, and does not do anything about it. It sadly sounds like too many of the men in leadership today in the USA. What is a little spin on a news story to make the evil sound good? I can tell you what it is - it is a lie and a confession that you don't know the Lord and feel that He will not do good of evil.

Nations have disappeared for this reason!!

Even Israel, God chosen, was taken away for a long time for this reason. We need to get wise. We need to start to believe, really believe, that God is in our midst, and alive and active!! Believe that and it will be good for us, otherwise don't believe and He will take action!

Zep 2:9 “Therefore, as I live,” declares the LORD of hosts, The God of Israel,
“Surely Moab will be like Sodom And the sons of Ammon like Gomorrah—
A place possessed by nettles and salt pits, And a perpetual desolation.
The remnant of My people will plunder them And the remainder of My nation will inherit them.”

So what about the USA? God's personality does change. Are we to be a sexually perverted nation, of lies and deceit, like Sodom?
Or are we going to be a nation of people seeking the voice of the Lord who is alive and active

Good word! I can identify with a lot of it. Sadly, in some congregations today--probably many, the pastors teach that God does not judge today. This is an age of grace, they say. They don't seem to realize that every thing that gets done in history is under divine guidance, meting out judgment to some right away and later for others, and blessing some in some ways and others in other ways. It all takes place by divine intelligence if one even thinks to consider it. Thanks for a good message! :)

 

[Karl Peters]

Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to desolation and to destroy all the wicked there.
1 Samuel 2:10 Those who oppose the Lord will be terrified, when He strikes from the heavens.

2 Samuel 22:8-16 The earth shakes from the Lord’s burning anger. He comes, with fiery arrows.

Psalms 11:6 He will rain fiery coals onto the wicked, scorching winds will strike them.

Psalms 18:13 The Lord thunders from the heavens amid a hail of glowing coals.

Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace, it will consume them.

Isaiah 22:5 For the Lord has ordained a Day of tumult, a Day of woe and disaster in the world.

Isaiah 24:1 Beware, the Lord is about to strip the earth and scatter its inhabitants.

Isaiah 26:21 The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish peoples for their sins.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.

Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength on that Day.

Isaiah 34:2-4 The Lord’s anger is against all the nations, they are given over to slaughter. The sky will be rolled up like a scroll and their host [satellites] will fall like ripe figs.

Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord will go forth like a warrior, He will lay waste to the earth.

Isaiah 51:6...the sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.

Isaiah 54:16 It was I who created the destroyer- with coals of fire, to deal out havoc.

Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury.


Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, heard everywhere – the godless peoples will die.

Jeremiah 30:23 See what a scorching wind goes out, it whirls around the heads of the wicked.

Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, it’s fiery flame will not be put out.

Ezekiel 21:3 & 28 I shall draw My sword of judgement and kill the righteous and wicked alike from the Negev northward. A sword drawn for slaughter, flashing like lightning.

Ezekiel 22:20As metal is melted in the crucible, so I shall gather you in My anger and refine you

Ezekiel 30:3-8 A Day is near, the Day of the Lord, a Day of doom and reckoning for the nations.


Amos 1:1-15 I shall send fire on Damascus, Gaza, Tyre, Edom and Ammon.

Amos 2:1-16 I shall send fire on Moab and Judah. Of Israel- their bravest warriors will flee.

Amos 5:17 There will be wailing in every vineyard, for I shall pass through your midst.

Amos 8:2-3 On that Day, I shall judge Israel, so many corpses laying everywhere.

Amos 8:8-9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon and the earth will quake like ocean waves.

Obadiah 15 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the peoples, their deeds will recoil on them.

Micah 1:3-4 Even now, the Lord is leaving His dwelling place, He comes down with fire.

Micah 4:11-12 Now, many nations are massed against Zion, they are gathered for the threshing.

Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military and devastate your cities.

Nahum 1:1-3 The Lord is a God of vengeance, He will not let the guilty escape punishment.

Habakkuk 3:13-14 You go out to save Your people, You shatter the wicked, they are swept away.

Zephaniah 1:3 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees.

Zephaniah 2:2 Seek the Lord, seek righteousness, it may be you will be sheltered on that Day.

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day, when I stand up and accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.

Haggai 2:6 & 22 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens and the earth, I will break the power of the heathen realms.

Zechariah 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrows will flash, with trumpet and storms.

Wonderful verses, and completely wrong understanding!!

For example:

Amos 2:1-16 I shall send fire on Moab and Judah. Of Israel- their bravest warriors will flee.

Where is Moab on the map? Look it up and you will find old Biblical maps. That nation does not exist anymore. Oh, yeah people still live there, but that nation is gone. So what happened?

They didn't understand that God has always been alive and active, and that failure to understand shows in the post above!!!

God being alive and active is the point of this thread!! And that is what gets missed by many theologians, because our theology is our understanding of God, and if your understanding does not include a personal relationship with Him your understanding of God (your Theology) fails to understand that God is currently alive and active.

So what day are we really talking about? Let me help with that!

Heb 4:7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.”

Did we not notice that there is a "CERTAIN DAY"?? AND THAT BEING "TODAY"?

Zep 1:12 “It will come about at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps,
And I will punish the men Who are stagnant in spirit,
Who say in their hearts, ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

It is written the Lord speaks to us in parable and dark sayings - so at what time will the Lord search Jerusalem with lamps and punish the men who are stagnant in spirit?

Again: He again fixes a certain day, “Today,”

Either "Today" You are not going to harden your hearts and listen to Him, or you are going to harden you hearts and not listen to Him!!

So what about nations as opposed to individuals. Well, nations are made of individuals who either know the Lord or do not know the Lord. There are either perverting their ways or perverting their ways - and everyday called Today the Lord sees that and responds. Boundaries are moved, wars are fought, diseases come upon people, and many things happen. To the unbeliever who does not actually know the Lord, it all seem like just the way it is. Yet those who know the Lord stop believing in coincidence, because He tells them things and they seem them come to pass. They don't come to pass like you think after you hear Him, but when they do happen you realize the He knew what was going to happen and what both Him and evil are always up to.

Another example:

Zephaniah 2:2 Seek the Lord, seek righteousness, it may be you will be sheltered on that Day.

Which day are we to seek the Lord?? Is it on some future "Day" or is that day to seek the Lord "Today"?

To the believer the answer is always "Seek the Lord Today" - because God is with us "Today"!! How could anyone possible say they believe in God who said He would never leave you and not seek Him "Today"? Yet to the unbeliever says "God will not do good nor evil", because they have said in their hearts that either God is dead or in a far-off place called heaven to return someday.

So they read a verse like: Zephaniah 2:2 Seek the Lord, seek righteousness, it may be you will be sheltered on that Day. - and mistakenly interpret the verse to mean there is a day, not today, in which the Lord will return from the grave or from that far off place called heaven to finally take action against the nations.

Today is the day, and it is not so hard to understand, even from the worldly news, what is going on. But if you also talk to the Lord He will tell you that these things had to happen, because the people would not listen to Him. And if you talk to Him with any regularity, you will understand that He is still the King of kings and Word of God, who is alive and active!

Ps 2:9 - 12 ‘You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.
Now therefore, O kings, show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth.
Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling.
Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!

He does that!! He breaks them (the nations) with a rod of iron!! And it is being done "Today"!! Yeah - we will most certainly see more in the future, but "Today" is when it happens. TODAY - is the certain day - and it always has been. So "Today" you are either going to listen to the Lord and get blessed, or not listen to the Lord thinking that He is either dead or still far off in heaven to return and thus wind up getting cursed by Him for not listening to Him - which will it be? What seems to be happening to our nation as a group? Are our "Theologians" even failing to understand the certain day is "Today"?

Romans 10:6,7 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

Mal 2:1,2 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests. “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart.

Time to get back to seeking Him "TODAY"!

 

[Karl Peters]

Good word! I can identify with a lot of it. Sadly, in some congregations today--probably many, the pastors teach that God does not judge today. This is an age of grace, they say. They don't seem to realize that every thing that gets done in history is under divine guidance, meting out judgment to some right away and later for others, and blessing some in some ways and others in other ways. It all takes place by divine intelligence if one even thinks to consider it. Thanks for a good message! :)

YES!!

That understanding is a result of actually knowing the Lord. I can't begin to explain how often I hear the Lord tell me something like, "I am going to hold them responsible."

People are getting themselves in trouble with the Lord of lords and King of kings soooo often, and they don't have a clue. That doesn't not mean they can't get forgiveness and salvation, but the Lord is alive and active. He is not in some far-off place to return someday. He is not dead and unconcerned. If you know Him, you hear Him. If you hear Him you know that He is alive and active, and He always has been. Sometimes is seems like things go unpunished, but Jesus said things like:

Luke 16:17 “But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

Mat 25:26 “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

There are things going on in the spirit that we just don't understand. How does a person demonized? Jesus came to set people free, but what happens when we don't seek Him? The answer is that we wind up in chains spiritually speaking. Anger starts to overwhelm us. Perversion comes through the window. A spirit draws you into drugs abuse. And it just keeps coming on you, because we don't seek the Lord and His voice. And perhaps the worst is pride, where a person is blinded by belief that they can be God, so they don't have to listen to Him. The other things at least make you aware of your need to repent, but pride makes you like the pharisees and kings who are so blind and in pride they who can get them to repent and turn the Lord. It is a problem thinking you don't need to seek the voice of the Lord! It get you, and us as a nation. We need to make this clear!

 

[Keraz]

So what day are we really talking about? Let me help with that!

There is an Appointed Day and it will come unexpectedly. It will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, which will commence all the end times things, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

So they read a verse like: Zephaniah 2:2 Seek the Lord, seek righteousness, it may be you will be sheltered on that Day. - and mistakenly interpret the verse to mean there is a day, not today, in which the Lord will return from the grave or from that far off place called heaven to finally take action against the nations.

It IS what will happen! Psalms 83, Isaiah 66:14b-17, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7
What else can the Lord do with a world gone bad again. He used water to reset Noah's civilization, this time it will be by fire.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

So what about the USA? God's personality does change. Are we to be a sexually perverted nation, of lies and deceit, like Sodom?
Or are we going to be a nation of people seeking the voice of the Lord who is alive and active

We have to understand the TIMING, most everyone truly do not understand where we are at on God's Clock so to speak, when we should. They look at the "No one knows the Day nor the Hour" and do not grasp it at all, they assume we can't therefore know the Season (Year) but we can. Not knowing the Day nor Hour is a reference to Israel being on God's Lunar time, the New moon (New year) always ended the harvest, thus they never knew the exact Day nor Hour the Harvest (think Church Age) would end. That's all it means, of course we can not know the exact day nor hour the Harvest/Pentecost (Church Age) will end, but they knew the month, and they knew within a couple of days, when the new moon and thus the New Year came in they blew the Shofar (Feast of Trumps) and the 100th or LAST TRUMP ended the Summer Harvest. So, how can we know the year? Look around, is it as in the days of Noah? Complete wickedness, and is God's Wrath nigh full? Yes, and Israel has been reborn, and the E.U. is completely reunited. And we have A.I. that can track our every thought almost. The time is at hand, the figs are ripe (Matt. 24:32-35) so how can we know the year?

By reading the signs in the skies as Jesus told us to do. We know the Day of the Lord (God's Wrath) arrives via a Mountain on fire (an Asteroid) as it (Trump #1) Breaks apart, Trump #2 Makes Impact, Trump #3 Puts off a FALLOUT of something poisonous, Trump #4 Makes the Sun and Moon go dim/darker via smoke. So, what can cause that? Can we see an incoming Asteroid? Of course we can, Apophis on April the 13, 2029 is supposed to come within 19K miles (10 times closer than the sun). Now LOOK AROUND, look at the one Billon abortions in God's nostrils, look what they re doing to the kids, look at the homosexual perversions, look at the depravity, greed, hate, etc. etc. Apophis is going to hit, thus a Pre TRib Rapture has to happen at least 3.5 years before April 13, 2029, or by the fall of 2025 (WE CAN KNOW THE SEASON).

So, will America be judged? Of course, as will the whole world, but Apophis would (will) hit just off the California Coast. When you see that 1/3 of the trees will burn and that 1/3 of all ships will be destroyed and 1/3 of sea creatures will die, and 1/3 of the fresh waters will be poisoned, God is telling us the DESTINATION, I ponder these things, so I looked up the Landmass of the New World/North & South America Combined !! Guess what, it is 1/3 of the total Landmass on earth, then I looked up the Pacific Ocean it has 1/3 of the total waters on the face of the earth, BUT ALAS I thought, oceans are just man made names with no boundaries, Errrrrrrr NOPE !! To my surprise because of the PH levels in the oceans the waters actually will not cross over and intermingle. (SMILE....) So, I think America is burned to shreds, but only after the Rapture. God is not going to burn a 1/3 of the world up and torture us Christians, that to me is a non sequitur and nonsensical thought in general, God would never do that. With 1/3 of the trees in the world burning, many Christians would have to die in those fires.

So, God will destroy the New World and Jesus will reign from the Old World (Jerusalem). God's vengeance is coming big time, and very soon, Jesus will be ruling within 10 years. The DOTL is (basically) at hand.

 

[Karl Peters]

There is an Appointed Day and it will come unexpectedly. It will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, which will commence all the end times things, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

It IS what will happen! Psalms 83, Isaiah 66:14b-17, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7
What else can the Lord do with a world gone bad again. He used water to reset Noah's civilization, this time it will be by fire.

Yeah - there is an "Appointed Day" - the problem is that Day will be called "Today" on the day it comes, and it always has been that way.

Noah is a perfect example, so I am glade you brought it up. There was a nation, a group of people, there with Noah. And while Noah heard from the Lord everyday called "Today", that group of people around Noah did not hear from the Lord. They were not thinking that they "Appointed Day" was "Today" for them, and it rained.

They had been put on notice, or did they fail to notice that Noah was building a boat? Do you really think they had no communication with Noah about the boat and thus the notice of a "Appointed Day". Sure they had heard about Noah and the Day, but they didn't think it was Today. They were not thinking they needed to listen to the Lord "Today" for themselves. So there reaction was really not alot different than your actions "Keraz". To them is was some "Appointed Day" somewhere in the future, so they lived a perverted life style, thinking that God would not do good or evil "Today".

And don't think some died before the rain came, not in that condition of not thinking God would do good of evil even on the days before the rain. Except for Noah, they failed to realize "Today" was always the DAY, that a person needs to listen to the Lord!! Today was the day Noah listen, so the Ark got built - plank after plank.

You miss the connection between thinking that God is alive and active "TODAY", blessing and cursing people on that Certain Day, or Appointed Day, if you wish. So you mislead people! You convince them that God is not alive and active "Today"! Your, in all your wisdom, are presenting God as someone far off in heaven so as to return someday. That is NOT the word of God we are preaching, but some are.

Romans 10:6,7 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

And there is really only one reason a person can get the wrong - and it is that they themselves are not listening to the Lord "Today".

They read a verse seeing that God is going to do something, and conclude that He is not doing that Now. Yet people are dying
TODAY, which the impression that God was not alive and active, and now what. Did we preach the Word of God correctly? Did we present The Word of God as someone who would return or Him who is found inside us TODAY??

Do you not hear Him? The sexual perversion was cleaned up during Noah's time, In Abram's time, and Jesus told the cities in which He did most of His miracles things like:

Mat 11:24 “Nevertheless I say to you that it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.”

Look close at the above verse. Jesus is saying on that day at that time "it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom than for them!! His judgement had already, upon His saying that, was being announce right then, upon His saying it, or do you think Jesus is a liar! That day, Today for them, when Jesus said that statement, they judgement was pronounced!!

They failed to understand that Jesus, who was in front of them, was even then the Word of God and King of kings, so by Him stating His judgment, it was the day of judgement for them. If they had truly understood what was happening, and that "Today" is the day, then they surely would have right then fallen down and beg for mercy in hope that they judgement He stated would be changed by Him. Yet it was thought of as a future event and there chance passed them by, just like those around Noah, and in Sodom, and look at the USA and the things happening right now.

Now as for me; He talks to me daily. Everyday called Today. And He asked me to preach Him as the Word of God and Today as the day we must hear from Him. I am not looking for His coming "Tomorrow" or sometime in the future! We talk "Today", and that is for everyone who wants to know Him, and for all who don't to know Him, are they not now bring judgement down upon their own heads?

Less than an hour ago He told me, "Karl I am going to be throwing people with the evil spirit they joined with into the fire."

Now when I tell my wife, "I am going to be throwing out the trash", I mean that is what I am going to be up to at the moment I tell her I am going to be doing it. She is not going to be thinking I am going to throw out trash some years from now is she?

 

[Karl Peters]

We have to understand the TIMING, most everyone truly do not understand where we are at on God Clock so to speak, when we should. They look at the "No one knows the Day nor the Hour and to not get it at all, they assume we can't therefore know the Season (Year) but we can. Not knowing the Day nor Hour is a reference to Israel being on God's Lunar time, the New moon (New year) always ended the harvest, thus they never knew the exact Day nor Hour the Harvest (think Church Age) would end. That's all it means, of course we can not know the exact day nor hour the Harvest/Pentecost (Church Age) will end, but they knew the month, and they knew within a couple of days, when it came in they blew the Shofar (Feast of Trumps) and the 100th or LAST TRUMP ended the Summer Harvest. So, how can we know the year? Look around, is it as in the days of Noah? Complete wickedness, and is God's Wrath nigh full? Yes, and Israel has been reborn, and the E.U. is completely reunited. And we have A.I. that can track our every thought almost. The time is at hand, the figs are ripe (Matt. 24:32-35) so how can we know the year?

By reading the signs in the skies as Jesus told us to do. We know the Day of the Lord (God's Wrath) arrives via a Mountain on fire (an Asteroid) as it Trump #1 Breaks apart, Trump #2 Makes Impact, Trump #3 Puts off a FALLOUT of something poisonous, Trump #4 Makes the Sun and Moon go dim/darker via smoke. So, what can cause that? Can we see an incoming Asteroid? Of course we can, Apophis on April the 13, 2029 is supposed to come within 19K miles (10 times closer than the sun). Now LOOK AROUND, look at the one Billon abortions in God's nostrils, look what they re doing to the kids, look at the homosexual perversions, look at the depravity, greed, hate, etc. etc. Apophis is going to hit, thus a Pre TRib Rapture has to happen at least 3.5 years before April 13, 2029, or by the fall of 2025 (WE CAN KNOW THE SEASON).

So, will America be judged? Of course as will the whole world, but Apophis would (will) hit just off the California Coast. When you see the 1/3 of the trees will burn and 1/3 of ships will be destroey and 1/3 of sea creatures will die, and 1/3 of the fresh waters will be poisoned, God is telling us the DESTINATION, I ponder these things, so I looked up the Landmass of the New World North ?7 South America Combined !! Guess what, it is 1/3 of the total Landmass on earth, then I looked up the Pacific Ocean it has 1/3 of the total waters on the face of the earth, BUT ALAS I though, oceans are just man made names with no boundaries, Errrrrrrr NOPE !! To my surprise because of the PH levels in the oceans the waters actually will not cross over and intermingle. (SMILE....) So, I think America us burned to shreds, but only after the Rapture. God is n it going to burn a 1/3 of the world up and torture us Christians, that to me is a non sequitur and nonsensical thought in general, God would never do that. With 1/3 of the trees world burning, many Christians would have to die in those fires.

So, God will destroy the New World and Jesus will reign from the Old World (Jerusalem). God's vengeance is coming big time, and very soon, Jesus will be ruling within 10 years. The DOTL is (basically) at hand.

Ronald'

I appreciate that people tend to think like you do, that God is coming back on a Day to take up judgement and vengeance - but that thinking is all wrong - It is saying in your heart "Who will ascend into heaven" so as to actually hear from the Lord. (See Romans 10)
It results in not coming to know the Lord "Today"!! And this is not the Word of God we are preaching!! It does not promote a relationship with the Lord "Today"!! So that thinking is not from God (Father, Son, Spirit)

It misses the fact that the Word of God is alive and active Today!!

It causes people to say "God will not do good or evil" - at less Today.

Now when I actually talk to Him about things like what you wrote; His comments are usually something like, "Karl, things have to happen."

Yeah, He knows what's going to have to happen, but that is not our concern!!!!! Our concern is to get people talking to Him and listening to Him Today!! And the first person we need to get talking to and listening to Him is ourselves!!! For that we must understand that "Today" is the day we need to hear from Him!! If you do that, it becomes quickly apparent that He protects you, or did you not read Ps 91?

A thousand may fall at your side
And ten thousand at your right hand,
But it shall not approach you.

So why the concern for all the stuff you wrote???????

Well- there is good reason for the concern, but it is for those who don't know Him!! But if for them, it is not about living in a time when great tribulation will fall on man-kind, but rather we all a living in a time when great tribulation will fall on them personally. Does it make a difference if an asteroid falls on them or if they are shot in the park by a gunman?

As for me, either way I have a place to go if either happens to me, because I know the Lord and King over the Kingdom of heaven. As for them, if they don't know Him, how are they going to get into heaven. Not by their good works.

So my concern, from hearing from Him is not about whether we are in the season of the end times!! It think that is probably the case, but that is not my concern!! My concern is that we actually start listening to Him, and that means me first. But what about you Ronald? I don't need to know if you hear from Him but you need to hear from Him everyday called "Today", just like I do.

Still, I know the type of things He says when you know Him. Things like:

Luke 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

The point is that we are still hear and still have time to try and get others to listen to Him "Today"! We still have moments to tell others they better repent of their ways and their sins, and turn to Him and actually get to know Him.

Now He specifically has me working on 'those who should listen to Him" as in Ezek 3

“For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel,... I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me"

Christian should be listening to Him!! It is written that His sheep hear His voice, but they are generally who I am sent to by Him, because we as a group (Christians) are not listening to Him like we should. That means those around us, like people of the USA, don't wind up listening to Him like they should, because it is our job to bring them to the Lord so they might hear from Him. But for us to do that, we first must listen to Him Today!!

So Ronald, what did you hear Him talking to you about "Today"? IT IS A RETORICAL QUESTION! I don't need to know ot get that answer, but you do! As for me, He had me start this thread, and come back to it. The point was always to get His people (Christians) to actually start seeking His voice "Today". You don't need to know exactly the time, day, or even season when God's shuts things down or how. But you do need to know Him, and that applies to all of us!!

"THE END IS NOT BY AND BY", the by and by is our trying to get people to know Him!!! Did you miss that in those end times prophecies?? They were given to get you turning people to Him "Today", not so you can figure out what God is going to do!!!

 

[Keraz]

You miss the connection between thinking that God is alive and active "TODAY"

I know that the Lord is with us until the end of this age, Matthew 28:20
But that is in a Spiritual sense. He will Return physically after all the Prophesies between Rev 6:11 to Rev 19:10 have taken place.

Less than an hour ago He told me, "Karl I am going to be throwing people with the evil spirit they joined with into the fire."

Its a bit hard to discuss issues with someone who thinks God talks to them. Maybe He does and what He said above is Biblically correct.
I believe that will happen at the Sixth Seal, the forthcoming, sudden and shocking day the Lord will reset our civilization.

 

[Karl Peters]

I know that the Lord is with us until the end of this age, Matthew 28:20
But that is in a Spiritual sense. He will Return physically after all the Prophesies between Rev 6:11 to Rev 19:10 have taken place.

Its a bit hard to discuss issues with someone who thinks God talks to them. Maybe He does and what He said above is Biblically correct.
I believe that will happen at the Sixth Seal, the forthcoming, sudden and shocking day the Lord will reset our civilization.

Did you ever read that God is spirit???

Jn 4:24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

How about: Mat 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Or: Jn 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”

As people, we tend to think in the flesh, move in the flesh, live in the flesh - so our perspective on everything is a physical perspective. Yet when the start actually listening to the Lord you hear the Spirit, get shown things in the Spirit, and get connected to God who is spirit. You wind up getting introduced to the Kingdom of God which is not of this world. You become aware that the real battles people have is with the dark spiritual forces of this world. So the more you talk to the our Lord Jesus Christ the more your perspective changes. His words are spirit!!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So do you know the Lord is with us until the end of this age???? If you do then you would be thinking "in a Spiritual sense" to use your own words. But are you? It does not seem so. I find it a bit hard to talk to someone who doesn't "think God talks to them" (again to use your own words! -- Paul asked:

Gal 3:1,2 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

His sheep hear His voice, and I would have to lie to you to say I don't hear His voice. But you show no signs of hearing His voice. So to you there is only really one thing that needs to be know (for your sake) did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

There is Goods News and this is it:

Rev 3:19,20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Anyone - including you, and repent of leaning on your own understanding and turn to Jesus Christ. He has been and is standing at the door knocking with His voice, and if you actually open up to Him, He will come into you and eat with you and you with Him. You can have conversations with Him! And you will find that God is spirit!! Because He is spirit, you will start finding out that He tends to think in spiritual terms. What makes you think the physical is over the spiritual? What makes you think the physical realm is what we are heading for? It is because you do not know the Lord like you should. All flesh is like grass and it goes away. We are going to and should now be part of the Kingdom of God. And if you are not thinking/believing you are hearing the Lord then you are not part of the Kingdom of God.

Jn 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

Those Pharisees, Seduces, and religious leaders did not know the Christ though He stood before them in the flesh. He even talked to the with His physical voice, but He told them that they could not hear His words!! The problem was that they could not hear with their spiritual senses. Yet Anna and Simeon knew who He was even when He appeared as a child, because they did hear with their spiritual ears. So there is really only one thing that you need to know, " did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?"

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Ronald'

I appreciate that people tend to think like you do, that God is coming back on a Day to take up judgement and vengeance - but that thinking is all wrong - It is saying in your heart "Who will ascend into heaven" so as to actually hear from the Lord. (See Romans 10)

This is not true, in any wise. Nowhere is it stated understanding Prophesy means we are saying who will and will not make heaven, we already know that, ALL MEN who repent calls on Jesus makes Heaven, that's simple stuff. The verse you used is speaking specifically about not saying an INDIVIDUAL will or will not got to Heaven, so that is nit even applicable at all, if you see no SPECIFIC NAMES then that passage is useless, I honestly do nit even get why you would use that verse, it makes no sense in the conversation. You misunderstand that passage, in full.

It misses the fact that the Word of God is alive and active Today!!

Knowing prophecy does no such thing, Jesus and John understood Prophecy.

It causes people to say "God will not do good or evil" - at less Today.

It doesn't really matter what people say, God is not evil, He is just.

So why the concern for all the stuff you wrote???????

Well- there is good reason for the concern, but it is for those who don't know Him!! But if for them, it is not about living in a time when great tribulation will fall on man-kind, but rather we all a living in a time when great tribulation will fall on them personally. Does it make a difference if an asteroid falls on them or if they are shot in the park by a gunman?

Absolutely, those who missed the Ark, once the Rain started was doomed to be in the flood. Those who miss the wedding call, as 5 of the 10 brides will do, will be doomed to the full 70th week and all that entails. Thus there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth". Once you miss the pre trib rapture, you may make heaven, but it will be very rough. God is going to set fire to 1/3 of the world, that is a fact. Those who miss the rapture are in for a very dire situation. People need to understand that factoid. The Holy Spirit can protect us at this time from things, He does all the time and you may not even realize He saved your life, or I may not realize He saved my life, THATS OVER after the Rapture, God will only protect the 3.5-5 million Jews who repent. Do not miss the pre trib rapture.

Now when I actually talk to Him about things like what you wrote; His comments are usually something like, "Karl, things have to happen."

Yeah, He knows what's going to have to happen, but that is not our concern!!!!! Our concern is to get people talking to Him and listening to Him Today!! And the first person we need to get talking to and listening to Him is ourselves!!! For that we must understand that "Today" is the day we need to hear from Him!! If you do that, it becomes quickly apparent that He protects you, or did you not read Ps 91?

Of course it is our concern, are you kidding? We are to tell men what's coming so they will repent, and tell those who do not make the rapture what is going to happen where they can have a battle plan. We can chew gum and walk at the same time brother. To some are given prophecy (my calling of 38 years)n to others are given understanding/wisdom, to some a word of knowledge, we have different gifts.

As for me, either way I have a place to go if either happens to me, because I know the Lord and King over the Kingdom of heaven. As for them, if they don't know Him, how are they going to get into heaven. Not by their good works.

This is correct, BUT...........Those who do not know the Lord needs to ear the truth. They need to fear what is coming, the "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".

So my concern, from hearing from Him is not about whether we are in the season of the end times!! It think that is probably the case, but that is not my concern!! My concern is that we actually start listening to Him, and that means me first. But what about you Ronald? I don't need to know if you hear from Him but you need to hear from Him everyday called "Today", just like I do.

That great, do your calling and working in conjunction as a team the Lords Will, will be done.

"THE END IS NOT BY AND BY", the by and by is our trying to get people to know Him!!! Did you miss that in those end times prophecies?? They were given to get you turning people to Him "Today", not so you can figure out what God is going to do!!!

The Rapture will happen by the fall of 2025. Apophis will be the DOTL (April 13, 2029.

 

[Karl Peters]

It doesn't really matter what people say, God is not evil, He is just.

I want to cover this little issue - about God doing good or evil.

In the OP I have a verse:

Zep 1:12 “It will come about at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps,
And I will punish the men Who are stagnant in spirit,
Who say in their hearts, ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

In it we find people saying in their hearts ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

What is happening with Ronald when he writes: "It doesn't really matter what people say, God is not evil, He is just."

How is that not saying in your heart "The Lord will not do good of evil"?

The pastor at the church I go to one preached that God does not curse people!!

Yes, God is just, and Yes God is love, but there are few things we should know about the Lord, and that is vengenance is His and if you don't actually get to know Him; meaning listen to Him - you are going to be curse and that by Him!!

Mal 2:1-3 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests. “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart “Behold, I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will spread refuse on your faces, the refuse of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.

Is it "just" that just because someone does not listen to the Lord and give honor to His name that they should be cursed??? And is not a curse, evil??


Yes it is just, because He made you and has every reasonable right to expect that you will listen to Him, and incase you don't know: His name is called "The Word of God", because He is standing there trying to talk to us with the words of God. So He expects you to honor Him by listening to Him. And it is just then that He curses you if you don't.

Indeed this has already been done. Why is it all men are given to die once? It is because men didn't listen so the curse of death is on us.

The Lord comes with blessing and curses, and we should all know this!! I really like the pastor God put over the church I go to, but he got it all wrong by saying that God doesn't curse anyone. God put before us Good and Evil. Satan didn't make himself, and God knows what He is doing and always has.

We can get the blessing of God, if we choose good, and only God is good. So we can choose to honor Him by simply listening to Him. Or we can choose not to listen to Him, thus not honor Him and even his name, and get the curses from God and the evil that comes with them.

We have our ideas of God (our theology) then there is the truth (God). When you actually talk to Him you find out lots of things about Him. First of all, He is God and in control!! Do you know that the devil can to anything unless the Lord lets Him. Take a close look at the book Job. Evil is just a tool that God can unleash on us or not. When the time comes God will just have a single angel pick up Satan and toss him away. In the mean time the Lord has a reason for having made those who we battle with. They help us realize we need to choose good (God) and listen to Him.

So don't be saying in your heart: ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

He has already done it, and it the Lord is still alive and active. Choose to listen to the Lord and perhaps in the heavens the Lord will not say concerning you like Job:

Job 1:12 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him.” So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.

Do you not see that the Lord gave Satan (evil) the authority and power to come again Job.?

 

[Karl Peters]

The Lord is telling me to wrap up this thread He had me started.

The point of this thread is that the Lord is alive and active!! He is still in charge and making use of it. If we as a nation (USA) and more specifically we Christians because we of all people should know to listen to the Lord and do what He personally tells us, then He can to the good, even for our nation, that He wants to do. But if we do not listen to the Lord, and say in our hearts that God is not around and doing good and evil as needed, then we as a nation will have problems and increasingly so!!

You don't need a prophet to tell you this, but you have the true Prophet (Jesus Christ, the Word of God) to hear from on all things. So how are we doing with listening to Him? Is sexual immorality increasing in our country? It hatred increasing? Our our leaders lying more and more? How about our media sources?

My friends, it all points to us Christians not listening to the Lord like we should!! Have we not been saying in our hearts that God is not around as the living and active Word of God to even perform good and evil.

Yes, it means we need to pray, but prayer is a conversation with God and that means listening to Him not telling Him! Or is He not smarter and does He not know better what you need to do than you?

There are people who need saving, and as for me the country He sends me to is this country call the United States of America. He is still standing at the door knocking on the door, and if anyone is willing to listen to Him He will come into them and speaks to them!

Ps 81:13,14 “Oh that My people would listen to Me, That Israel would walk in My ways!
“I would quickly subdue their enemies And turn My hand against their adversaries.

 

[Karl Peters]

This is not true, in any wise. Nowhere is it stated understanding Prophesy means we are saying who will and will not make heaven, we already know that, ALL MEN who repent calls on Jesus makes Heaven, that's simple stuff. The verse you used is speaking specifically about not saying an INDIVIDUAL will or will not got to Heaven, so that is nit even applicable at all, if you see no SPECIFIC NAMES then that passage is useless, I honestly do nit even get why you would use that verse, it makes no sense in the conversation. You misunderstand that passage, in full.


Knowing prophecy does no such thing, Jesus and John understood Prophecy.


It doesn't really matter what people say, God is not evil, He is just.


Absolutely, those who missed the Ark, once the Rain started was doomed to be in the flood. Those who miss the wedding call, as 5 of the 10 brides will do, will be doomed to the full 70th week and all that entails. Thus there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth". Once you miss the pre trib rapture, you may make heaven, but it will be very rough. God is going to set fire to 1/3 of the world, that is a fact. Those who miss the rapture are in for a very dire situation. People need to understand that factoid. The Holy Spirit can protect us at this time from things, He does all the time and you may not even realize He saved your life, or I may not realize He saved my life, THATS OVER after the Rapture, God will only protect the 3.5-5 million Jews who repent. Do not miss the pre trib rapture.


Of course it is our concern, are you kidding? We are to tell men what's coming so they will repent, and tell those who do not make the rapture what is going to happen where they can have a battle plan. We can chew gum and walk at the same time brother. To some are given prophecy (my calling of 38 years)n to others are given understanding/wisdom, to some a word of knowledge, we have different gifts.


This is correct, BUT...........Those who do not know the Lord needs to ear the truth. They need to fear what is coming, the "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".


That great, do your calling and working in conjunction as a team the Lords Will, will be done.


The Rapture will happen by the fall of 2025. Apophis will be the DOTL (April 13, 2029.

Real quickly - here is the problem and reason you are wrong:

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

You are thinking that if you read the Scriptures and study the prophecies therein that by leaning on your own understanding you are going to understand it. That is where you are wrong. That does not mean you should not study it, but the understanding comes and knowledge come from His mouth, not your leaning on your own understanding. So the prophecy is a tool to get you to seek Him for information and understanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the weird part is that when you do listen to Him, He is not going to tell you everything. It is enough to know that He knows, so that you seek Him for what He needs you to know.

Dan 12:9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.

When He talks to you about end times, He gives you some information, but ultimately He does not need you to know it all!! I can't tell you how many times I talked to Him then while I was trying to figure out what He was saying He just sent me on my way. We have things to to, like run businesses, get people to seek Him, and all kinds of work that men were made to do.

So the only important thing is to know you can talk to Him about your business, work, learning, and so on. He guides your steps, but He does not need you wasting your time just wondering what is going to happen when. So get yourself and then others seeking Him for all things in your life. The end times with come, but as for now we might be able to help people!!

 

[Ronald D Milam]

In it we find people saying in their hearts ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

What is happening with Ronald when he writes: "It doesn't really matter what people say, God is not evil, He is just."

How is that not saying in your heart "The Lord will not do good of evil"?

The pastor at the church I go to one preached that God does not curse people!!

You do not even get the scripture, AT ALL. This is not about Good nor Evil, its about Atheists and/or those doubters of God. These are the exact same people who the New Testament says will say "Where is the promise of his coming?" These types are mocking God, sayingjjjjjjjkl you have been saying God is coming forever, WHERE IS THAT COMING AT? Its MOCKERY. Now, with that in mind, Zep. 1:12 is likewise MOCKERY, they are saying God doesn't do GOOD nor EVIL as in He does not really exist. Did that understanding escape you my friend?

God never does evil, He is Just in all of His actions, people like you simply misconstrue and conflate scriptures. This zipped right past you, and you didn't even see it for the mockery it was intended to be. "Ronald" actually understands scripture sir, as man called by God 38 years ago that is my job. Its sad you think this meant God was going to do both GOOD & EVIL in this context, it's simply saying the PEOPLE in the last days in Jerusalem, are going to doubt God's existence and mock him by saying God DOES NOTHING, nether GOOD nor EVIL !! Reread it !!

So in the Day of the Lord (42 months of God's Wrath) I (God) will PUNISH THOSE who are very comfortable (trust in their own monies/fame etc.) WHO SAY (Men's THOUGHTS, not God's thoughts). God will not do EVIL nor GOOD (Meaning they are saying there is NO GOD !! Zoom, zoom, zoom. They are saying He is only a God in the minds of weak minded men, He can not do GOOD nor EVIL. )

Zeph. 1:12 And at that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps
and punish the men who settle down comfortably,
who say to themselves:
The Lord will not do good or evil.

On a basic level you do not even understand what that scripture means.

Yes, God is just, and Yes God is love, but there are few things we should know about the Lord, and that is vengenance is His and if you don't actually get to know Him; meaning listen to Him - you are going to be curse and that by Him!!

Is not God's VENGEANCE Justified? Thus it is not evil !! You conflated the scriptures in Zeph. 1:12 as pertaining unto God's ACTIONS being evil, when it was simply about men mocking God's lack of ACTIONS as they see it. Just like those who ask where is the promise of his coming. You can not get to bottom of anything brother until you learn how to interpret basic scriptures better. I use the KJV but I can grasp it via the KJV, I used Holman above to break it down for you better.

Mal 2:1-3 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests. “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart “Behold, I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will spread refuse on your faces, the refuse of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.

Is it "just" that just because someone does not listen to the Lord and give honor to His name that they should be cursed??? And is not a curse, evil??

Yes, it is JUST and no, God's actions are NEVER EVIL. Short and sweet. A few times in the bible where it says God does evil against men, it really is just saying God delivers unto them what they see as evil, and in some cases it just means He delivers bad happenings unto them, or curses them, but God is NEVER EVIL.

Yes it is just, because He made you and has every reasonable right to expect that you will listen to Him, and incase you don't know: His name is called "The Word of God", because He is standing there trying to talk to us with the words of God. So He expects you to honor Him by listening to Him. And it is just then that He curses you if you don't.

You are defeating your own argument, anything JUST can not be EVIL.

Indeed this has already been done. Why is it all men are given to die once? It is because men didn't listen so the curse of death is on us.

Thus men/mankind got their DUE WAGES, the Wages of Sin is Death !!

So don't be saying in your heart: ‘The LORD will not do good or evil!’

You do not understand that passage AT ALL.

 

[Keraz]

But are you? It does not seem so. I find it a bit hard to talk to someone who doesn't "think God talks to them"

You make out that God talks to you, in a conversational manner. I see that as very unlikely. It is usually deceiving spirits who do that.
With myself, I have received a vision and I have had guidance from the Lord in my writings.

Dan 12:9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.

But a few wise people will understand.

So the only important thing is to know you can talk to Him about your business, work, learning, and so on. He guides your steps, but He does not need you wasting your time just wondering what is going to happen when.

This idea is wrong, as it means we reject the prophesies and simply remain in the dark.

The Lord is telling me to wrap up this thread He had me started.

Good, because you totally fail to enlighten anyone about the Prophetic Word; what this Forum is for.

The Rapture will happen by the fall of 2025. Apophis will be the DOTL (April 13, 2029.

Neither of these wild assertions are Biblical or will happen.
Jesus said that no one goes to heaven and an asteroid hit does not fit the Prophesied results of the Lord's Day of fiery wrath.

 

[Karl Peters]

You make out that God talks to you, in a conversational manner. I see that as very unlikely. It is usually deceiving spirits who do that.
With myself, I have received a vision and I have had guidance from the Lord in my writings.

Yes, He does talk to His sheep in a "conversational manner" - and that is where you miss it!!

This morning in my "conversational manner" time with Him He pointed out:

Prov 1:23-33 “Turn to my reproof, Behold, I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you.
“Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention;
And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof;
I will also laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your dread comes,
When your dread comes like a storm And your calamity comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.
“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently but they will not find me,
Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
“They would not accept my counsel, They spurned all my reproof.
“So they shall eat of the fruit of their own way And be satiated with their own devices.
“For the waywardness of the naive will kill them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them.
“But he who listens to me shall live securely And will be at ease from the dread of evil.”

And He talked about how people (and those responding like you were the subject of the conversation we were having) refuse to listen to Him and believe He is there to talk to. He wants to talk to them and for them to listen. He wants to reprove them and show them that He is there but they scoff at the idea! And He then pointed out a the prior verse:

Prov 1:22 “How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded? And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
And fools hate knowledge?

Your "scoffing" is not at me, but the idea that the Lord can be heard from - period!! And that is your mistake!!

That mistake shows up in your interpretation as follows:

Good, because you totally fail to enlighten anyone about the Prophetic Word; what this Forum is for.

The Prophetic Word is not the Bible as you think!! The Word and thus "Prophetic Word" is and has always been Jesus Christ!! Heis the Word of God and the only real Prophet!! Those who wrote the Bible and gave prophecy got all the prophecy from Him, and from listening to Him!! Which as shown by your own words, you don't believe and understand.

Now you wrote one interesting thing which should be address:

With myself, I have received a vision and I have had guidance from the Lord in my writings.

Dan 5:5 Suddenly the fingers of a man’s hand emerged and began writing opposite the lampstand on the plaster of the wall of the king’s palace, and the king saw the back of the hand that did the writing.

Belshazzar the king saw a vision and got help with writing, that did not mean that he knew the Lord!!!! Where as Daniel knew the Lord and talked with Him.

The point in all this is to get Christain, even like you, to look for a closer and more personal relationship with the Lord by seek His voice by faith!! You need that!! If indeed you come to know Him, personally you will find "God talks to you, in a conversational manner". If you don't He may show you the "writing on the wall" to cause a fear of God in hopes you will turn to Him and actually get to know Him!!!

And this is the problem that if found way too much in Christianity! We are called into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and it is just that - a personal relationship. When we spend time with the Lord,, say in the morning with your Bible, it is not the Bible we are turning to but our Lord Jesus Christ - meaning we need to be hearing from Him personally in a "conversational manner"!!!

The fact that some done understand this show a failing in the church!! A reason that things are happening in our country as they are! And indeed the reason things not only will happen like in the Bible, but also the reason things are happening TODAY like they are.

If indeed, His people who are called by His name (Christians) would in fact and deed turn to Him and listen to Him, He would clean things up for us!! That is what this thread is about, and responders are proving that is not happening!! Let's change that please!!


Ps 81: 13,14 “Oh that My people would listen to Me,
That Israel would walk in My ways!
“I would quickly subdue their enemies
And turn My hand against their adversaries.

I personally testify that He still feels, very strongly, that same way today as when the Psalmist wrote and personally testified to then!

They didn't listen then. They scoffed at the idea of listening to the Lord, and Israel as a nation was taken away. It gave the Lord no pleasure to do that then. And what do you see today in our country? We find "Christians" scoffing at the idea that the Lord would actually have a conversation with His people. We see lying by our leaders on a scale that I can not remember in my 65 years on this planet. Sexual perversion is going to incredible new extremes, like in the days of Sodom. And we think that is could not be because we are rejecting the Lord???

He has a promise!!! We listen to Him and He quickly subdue our enemies!!

But we pretend and reject anyone telling us to listen to Him!

 

[Keraz]

The Lord is telling me to wrap up this thread He had me started.

Seems that you don't do what the Lord tells you!
You have posted accusations against your fellow Christians. Bad you.

 

[Karl Peters]

Seems that you don't do what the Lord tells you!
You have posted accusations against your fellow Christians. Bad you.

Silly - I show you scriptures explaining how we need to listen to the Lord, I showed you your words saying you didn't think a person can have conversations with Him. I warned you, according to the what the Lord told me and according to the Scriptures, and you think I accuse you. You accused yourself, with your responses. However, that is not the point. The point is that we need to listen to Him, and the purpose then is to get you to actually listen to Him, which is not what you yourself explained.

It is not me who accuses you, but I am trying to get you to seek the Lord and His voice. There is someone who convicts you of your sin, and sin, if you care to believe it, is not listening to the Lord and doing what He says. All unrighteousness is sin, and righteousness (do the right thing) is only obtained by listening to the Lord and doing what He tells you.

He counts you righteous, if you hear His voice and believe it is Him, because He judges the heart. So it is not me who judges you, but Him. And if you listened to Him, you would know that.

Still - I have been told by Him to preach the Word of God, and that to mean listen to Him whose name is called The Word of God. And I was also told that they would not listen to me, because they are unwilling to listen to Him. And He is always right!

Ezek 3: 6-7 ... But I have sent you to them who should listen to you; 7 yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me.

Would you not have called Ezekiel an accuser and bad person? His purpose and instruct was to try and get God's people to listen to God. You should get to know the Lord so that you hear Him in words. Of did not Ezekiel hear and write words down that he heard from the Lord. Do you not see even from your reading the Bible, that Ezekiel had conversations with the Lord? Yet you have denied that possibility!

It is because those who Ezekiel wrote to, choose to not seek the Lord and listen to Him, like Ezekiel, that a day came when they were taken away and their nation came to an end. And that is what this whole thread is about. If Christians want to change the state of this nation (USA) the answer is to actually start seeking the Lord. If you feel accused and convicted of not listening to Him, then you need to pay attention, because the Holy Spirit has come upon you to show you your sin. If in fact you do hear the Lord Jesus Christ like you should, then you would rejoice in the message about hearing from Him. You would know that great value in having conversations with the Lord, and also the great problems that come from not listening to Him.

Did you not even read how Enoch walked with the Lord? Of how Abram ate with the Lord? It is sad that so many "Christian" don't understand that they too were just people, but people who chose to seek the voice of the Lord and believe.

Jesus told the Jews Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

If they had been coming to Him they would know that His words are spirit and are life. They would have heard Him talking to them via His Holy Spirit to their spirit in words. They would have known that they could have talked back and forth with Him all the day long, in words they picked up in their spirit. But as it was, they did not have life in them.

The good news is that He reproves those He love (which you count as accusations) so that if a person repents of their ways and leaning on their understanding, they might be able to start hearing from Him who stands at the door and knocks with His voice. If ANYONE (INCLUDING YOU) opens up to Him and listens to Him then He will come into them and they will talk (have conversations) with Him. So consider and take Him up on it!! Then you will know of what I say!!

Rev 3:19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me