Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

[GodsGrace]

Dear GodsGrace,
You said:
When all commentaries agree...
I'd venture to say that they're 99% correct.

This is not true. After Paul's death, the churches all became apostate and began teaching "perverse things" that Paul said would come into the church. If a teaching is widely accepted my most believers, then it is 99% sure to be incorrect. You should not be following the teachings of the "many". The "many" are unconverted, spiritually blind and carnally minded.

Joe, this is YOUR opinion.
Who I follow are the Apostles and those the Apostles taught.

If something does not align with THAT....
it is incorrect teaching.

Because of the apostasy of the church, the church has become places where the blind lead the blind.

One other point: The carnal mind of mankind believes that there is safety in numbers. You can see this truth reflected by the various different non-Christian groups in this world - they are everywhere. The same is true for babes who likewise are carnally minded. They feel safe and secure in the group of many.

Mainline Christianity believes pretty much the same.
Those who teach OUTSIDE of mainline Christianity are most likely WRONG.

1Th 5:3 For when they (the Elect babes who are still in the group of "many") shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them (conversion), as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

See,,,you ADD words to every verse you post.
What Jesus said does not require translation.
What the Apostles taught does not require translation.

After a Elect person is converted, they will come out from the group of "many" (called to be saints) and will belong to the group of "few" (saints). It is the "few" who know the truth and are who you should be listening to.

Who are these elect persons that are not elect yet?
You also have some calvinist beliefs.
Calvinism is heretical.

You said:
If the rain falls on a person, and it means something, that something is what counts...not the amount.
I already have stated that JESUS said that all we need is the faith of a mustard seed.
Faith saves. It doesn't ever state HOW MUCH.

Here is the parable:

Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

All the parables that begin with the phrase "the Kingdom of heaven is like" are teaching on certain aspects of the pathway to salvation that the Elect will travel.

First of all you've quoted the wrong verse.
And, guess what, I'm not taking the time to post the correct one.

secondly, the kingdom of God refers to the Body of Christ here on earth and how it is to produce a change in society as a whole.

In this parable, the "field" is the world which contains individual persons. The "man" is Christ and the "seed" that He sows in the field is the Word of God (who is Christ). The seed can only begin growing within a person after it receives the Early Rain. After it does, the person will become a "babe" (a non-fruit producing tree) who can only draw the milk of the Word. The spiritual teachings of the New Covenant will still be veiled to them. Then, before the tree can produce its fruit (fruit of the Spirit), "birds of the air" will come and lodge in the tree's branches. The "birds of the air" are unclean spirits which bring false teachings to the babe. It is at this point that the babe becomes apostate.

The parable I just explained is supported by what Christ taught here:

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer (a babe) remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

Wow.
You really do need to study the bible with someone who understands scripture.
You really do.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

You said:
A person's understanding depends on whether or not they study the word....
I know persons that have NEVER read the bible and don't understand much about theology except that they love
God and live a life they believe will follow His commandments.

Are THEY saved according to you?

All babes will quickly fall away and become unfaithful after they are given the Early Rain. After a babe becomes unfaithful, they are no longer justified by faith and have come under the condemnation of the Law again. This is what happens to 100% of the babes. No one can avoid it happening to them.

I guess you know everything...
even who is saved and who is not.

Also, being justified by faith is what makes Christ's pathway straight for Him to appear to the person and convert them. The moment of conversion is when a person is saved.

Mankind's salvation is to be spiritually changed to be like Christ. Until Christ converts a babe, they will still have the same marred spiritual makeup that they originally had from the beginning. However, after a babe becomes apostate, that original spiritual makeup will be made "worse than the first" by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ.

Christ does all the converting?
Sounds like incorrect reformed theology.

Below is another analogy that teaches about conversion.

I call it the Sword analogy.

Yeah,,,you have your very own lingo.

I will respond to your other points in my next post.

Joe

Like I said,,,you should write a book.
But not on theology.

 

[GodsGrace]

Dear GodsGrace,
You said:
Does it say CHRISTIAN under your avatar?
Yes. It does. I just checked.
So how about getting on board with Christianity and stop with this language you've made up?

That would behoove you.

1. There are no mysteries in the sense that Jesus was hiding something from us.
2. There is no early rain or latter rain...just new believers and mature believers.
3. God created everything good and nothing that is evil. This is blasphemous...you attribute to God the works of satan.
4. Please use a commentary if some verses are difficult to understand...nothing wrong with it.
5. You also sound a bit calvinist----You should just start over from the beginning and stop studying the way you are...

I mean no disrespect, but the Christian religion has already been established...
you just need to follow it.

From reading your list above, it is very clear that Christ is not working to heal your spiritual blindness at this time. But it will happen someday - either in this age or the final age. God's Word proclaims it:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved (by His work of conversion), and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Also, you are right when you say that the Christian religion has already been established. It was established near the end of the 1st century when the churches became apostate.

Here is why I say this:

Religion is man's attempt to make themselves acceptable to God. This is the premise that Old Covenant is founded upon.

The New Covenant is the opposite of religion. Under the New Covenant, it is God who is doing the work of making mankind acceptable to Him.

And since God never fails at anything, the salvation of all mankind is certain to happen.

Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

I really can't see any reason to continue our discussion. If Christ was opening your eyes to some of what I have presented, I would be willing to continue. However, that does not seem to be the case. This is probably a good time to end our discussion.

Joe

I agree.
This conversation ends right here, right now.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

Acts 16:30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

I prefer the true Gospel, not yours.

Dear ProDeo,
You quoted these verses:

Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

Acts 16:30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Yes, everyone who has faith (believes) will be saved. They are not saved yet though when they make their confession of faith. Notice the verses all say "will be". They do not say that they are saved at that very moment. Their faith justifies them before the Law. This is the spiritual condition of the OT faithful when they died. They were justified by their faith but they were not saved/converted.

Here is what Paul said about the OT faithful:

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

The OT faithful's "good report" meant that they died in faith.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Even though the OT faithful died in faith, they did not receive the promises of salvation but could only see them from afar. The physical Promised Land represents salvation.

Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

The "better resurrection" is presented here:

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

The OT faithful will be included in the resurrection of the just (justified) because of their faith.

Paul finishes with this statement:

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received NOT the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us (the Elect/salvation before death), that they without us should not be made perfect (converted/saved).

Upon the OT faithful's resurrection, they will be taught truth by the Elect and Christ will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them and convert them. They will then appear before the White Throne and their names will be found in the Lamb's book of Lamb. They will then receive their rewards of "life" in the final age and the honor of reigning with Christ in that age.

You said:
I prefer the true Gospel, not yours.

Just as Christ said, babes will still prefer the Old Wine after tasting the New Wine.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Since babes remain carnally minded, they prefer consuming religion over consuming the New Wine where Christ does all the work.

They prefer the Old Wine because they get pleasure from believing that they are smarter, wiser or just not as evil as those who reject Christ. As a result, they falsely believe that the unbelievers have no one to blame but themselves when they are cast into the Lake of Fire. But the truth is the unbelievers could never do anything toward their own salvation anyway. They needed Christ to do those things for them. And because Christ chose not to do those things for them in this age, the unbelievers remained outside the Kingdom of Heaven when they went to the grave.

Christ is the one who gives a person their faith and the Holy Spirit. Christ is the one who causes a person to repent of their works. Christ is the who causes them to obey the Law. Christ is the one who provides their good works. Christ is the one who judges them so as to remove and destroy all the spiritual things within themselves that has made them carnally minded and sinful. Christ does all the necessary things for a person's salvation. The person contributes nothing.

In other words, Christ is mankind's Savior and He is the one who does the saving. And because Christ does the saving, He is the one who decides when He will save a person. Mankind has no say in the matter.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Joe

 

[ProDeo]

I agree.
This conversation ends right here, right now.

Wise decision.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@FaithWillDo
Why are we divided when there is only one truth and one God? As Christians, we are called to be united, one body together in Christ.

 

[FaithWillDo]

@FaithWillDo
Why are we divided when there is only one truth and one God? As Christians, we are called to be united, one body together in Christ.

Dear LoveYeshua,
That's a good question.

The short answer is because it is God’s “will” for it to be that way because it helps to satisfy one of God’s requirements for His children – and that requirement is for them to have a full knowledge of good and evil.

To teach mankind about good and evil, God decided to begin by teaching mankind about evil first. To accomplish this goal, God made mankind spiritually marred and subject to vanity. The flaw in mankind’s spirit is its weakness. Because mankind’s spirit is weak, mankind developed a carnal mind which frequently puts the needs of “self” above the need to be obedient to their Creator. When a person does this, they are sinning.

However, mankind in their natural state is not up to the level of evil that God wants His children to experience. To accomplish this elevated level of evil, Christ created the “Day of Evil” for mankind to experience.

Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the Day of Evil.

The Day of Evil will come to a person shortly after they have received the Early Rain and have become a babe in Christ. It occurs when Satan indwells the new believer with the spirit of anti-Christ. After this event, the person will become spiritually “worse than the first” (Mat 12:43-45).

Note: The Day of Evil is in contrast to the Day of the Lord when Christ indwells a person with the Holy Spirit (the baptism of the Holy Spirit). Satan imitates Christ in this way.

The scripture below applies to the Day of Evil:

2Thes 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The strong delusion will come to each new believer via the spirit of anti-Christ which will indwell them just as the Early Rain of the Spirit indwelt them earlier (the parable of the Wheat and the Tares applies).

The lie (the deception) that comes from the spirit of anti-Christ is that Satan, who masquerades as Christ, is the true Christ.

2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Because an apostate babe also remains carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted after receiving the Early Rain, they will readily accept the lie from the spirit of anti-Christ. This happens because the teachings of Satan are pleasing to their carnal mind when the true teachings of Christ are not.

The primary false teaching that a babe will first accept is Satan’s “another gospel”. Satan’s false gospel teaches the crooked way of trying to be acceptable to God. This way mixes man’s works with faith. In this world, it is called religion.

This brings me to your question as to why there is no unity of truth in the “church”.

After a babe becomes apostate, they will be guided by the spirit of anti-Christ when they attempt to understand God’s Word. This is one of the reasons why apostate babes are so easily blown around by every wind of doctrine:

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

And this is why there is no unity of understanding in the apostate churches of this world - except for their belief in Satan's false gospel which mixes works with faith.

Did you know that the confusion of languages at the Tower of Babel is a “type” that foreshadows the confusion of languages within the apostate church?

Here is the relevant scripture:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men built. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

In the account presented above, God saw that mankind was of one mind & voice and that they were attempting to build a tower to heaven.

The phrase “one mind and voice” represents the power and control that Satan has over his apostate church, via the spirit of anti-Christ.

The tower represents Satan’s lie to his church that they can be equal with God and that they can spiritually dwell where God dwells. Satan teaches his children that this feat can be accomplished by the works of their own hands (represented by the bricks which are made by hand).

The story also says that mankind also wanted to “make a name for themselves”. This represents the self-righteousness of an apostate believer (a man of sin) which is described in the verse below:

2Thes 2:4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Note: The Old Man becomes a Man of Sin after the spirit of anti-Christ indwells a new believer. The Man of Sin represents the worsened spiritual condition of the natural man; the Old Man.

The religious belief system that is enhanced (made worse) in an apostate babe’s carnal spirit by the spirit of anti-Christ teaches them that a salvation by works is not only possible but that it will make them equal with God. The Doctrine of Free Will is the foundational support of this lie from Satan.

However, God is the only one who has a free will ability. Mankind does not have this level of power or sovereignty.

To stop the attempt by mankind to build a tower up to heaven, God confused the languages so that mankind would be fractured and unable to complete the tower.

This confusion of languages is also found in Satan’s apostate church and has resulted in his church being fractured into many different denominations, groups and sects – all who falsely claim to be “Christian”. This is why there is no unity of truth in the churches of this world.

In Christ’s true church, a unity of truth can be found. It occurs for all the Elect after they are converted. At that time, each Elect person’s spiritual blindness will be healed and their carnal mind will be replaced with the mind of Christ. After those spiritual changes have been made, the Spirit of Truth will then be able to guide the newly converted believer into all truth.

This is basically what Paul is teaching in the scripture below:

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers: 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man (a converted believer), unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more babes, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Joe