origin of "the faith"

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Faith of Christ is endowed with Power (not our faith, Christ’s) so much so that Jesus Christ can’t be deceived by His expectations, or denied the fulfillment of His expectations. Faith is an acknowledgement in power, is it not? Even Jesus Christ acknowledges the Father who is in Heaven that all His works were done by the power of the Father. And He said that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the “Son of man” which is in heaven, and also states that the Father is in Heaven but yet He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. Hence there is no blindness to His Faith acknowledging the Power He knows oh so well. Faith isn’t blind, there’s no faith in what is not known, or experienced.


For example: for some faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, hence the Truth of God revealed. But the rest seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand, therefore they can’t acknowledge what they don’t see or hear, hence no faith received or comes to them.


Therefore, one’s own faith has no real power but the Faith that is of Christ the Word of God that comes is endowed with the Power that is God. So, some are bowing to a power that is God’s, and some are bowing to the Power that is God? Note that Jesus said He was to sit at the right hand of “Power”, but is clear that He is because of the Father therefore the Father is the Power of the Son. the Son inherits that which is of the Father not the other way around.


All exists because of God, therefore nothing is or has its own power, because all power, and power to do is granted by God. And consider just how much power that is and who or what shall He bestow it to, should He see fit to bestow it at all. So how is it that anything or anyone have the right or be entitled the power to be or do without God’s granting? Therefore, the only thing entitled is the fulfillment of God’s will according to His satisfaction. So expectation of one’s own desires are a hit and miss according to opportunity. But God’s expectation expressed through His Word are to be fulfilled. And that expectation is the true Faith.
 
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Faith of Christ is endowed with Power (not our faith, Christ’s) so much so that Jesus Christ can’t be deceived by His expectations, or denied the fulfillment of His expectations. Faith is an acknowledgement in power, is it not? Even Jesus Christ acknowledges the Father who is in Heaven that all His works were done by the power of the Father. And He said that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the “Son of man” which is in heaven, and also states that the Father is in Heaven but yet He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. Hence there is no blindness to His Faith acknowledging the Power He knows oh so well. Faith isn’t blind, there’s no faith in what is not known, or experienced.


For example: for some faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, hence the Truth of God revealed. But the rest seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand, therefore they can’t acknowledge what they don’t see or hear, hence no faith received or comes to them.


Therefore, one’s own faith has no real power but the Faith that is of Christ the Word of God that comes is endowed with the Power that is God. So, some are bowing to a power that is God’s, and some are bowing to the Power that is God? Note that Jesus said He was to sit at the right hand of “Power”, but is clear that He is because of the Father therefore the Father is the Power of the Son. the Son inherits that which is of the Father not the other way around.


All exists because of God, therefore nothing is or has its own power, because all power, and power to do is granted by God. And consider just how much power that is and who or what shall He bestow it to, should He see fit to bestow it at all. So how is it that anything or anyone have the right or be entitled the power to be or do without God’s granting? Therefore, the only thing entitled is the fulfillment of God’s will according to His satisfaction. So expectation of one’s own desires are a hit and miss according to opportunity. But God’s expectation expressed through His Word are to be fulfilled. And that expectation is the true Faith.

Good question. Will watch to see what others contribute.

Colossians 1:16 KJV
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Romans 13:1 KJV
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
 

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All exists because of God, therefore nothing is or has its own power, because all power, and power to do is granted by God. And consider just how much power that is and who or what shall He bestow it to, should He see fit to bestow it at all. So how is it that anything or anyone have the right or be entitled the power to be or do without God’s granting? Therefore, the only thing entitled is the fulfillment of God’s will according to His satisfaction. So expectation of one’s own desires are a hit and miss according to opportunity. But God’s expectation expressed through His Word are to be fulfilled. And that expectation is the true Faith.
Psalm 37:4 says, "Delight yourself also in the Lord, and He shall give you the desires of your heart." The name it and claim it crowd typically say that this means that if you're devout, God will give you anything you desire. I believe the scripture to be entirely true, but I think the verse means that when you make the Lord your delight , He places desires in your heart that only He can fulfill. God is the source of all good gifts, so wouldn't good desires be a gift as well?
 
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Psalm 37:4 says, "Delight yourself also in the Lord, and He shall give you the desires of your heart." The name it and claim it crowd typically say that this means that if you're devout, God will give you anything you desire. I believe the scripture to be entirely true, but I think the verse means that when you make the Lord your delight , He places desires in your heart that only He can fulfill. God is the source of all good gifts, so wouldn't good desires be a gift as well?

right in respect to "verse means that when you make the Lord your delight" if your desire is the Lord, then why would the Lord deny any request that is of Him. its what He wants of you that:


Deu_6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


and did He not say, He would write His law in our hearts?
 
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right in respect to "verse means that when you make the Lord your delight" if your desire is the Lord, then why would the Lord deny any request that is of Him. its what He wants of you that:


Deu_6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


and did He not say, He would write His law in our hearts?
I find teacher/preachers like J. Osteen using such verses to imply that God's desire is to make us all wealthy in Christ, but I see no such promises to Christians in scripture. God does make His children rich as coinheritors of His creation, but the norm for Christians is not worldly prosperity as we are to use our wealth in the provision for others according to the prompting of His Spirit (we have the poor with us always.)
 

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I find teacher/preachers like J. Osteen using such verses to imply that God's desire is to make us all wealthy in Christ, but I see no such promises to Christians in scripture. God does make His children rich as coinheritors of His creation, but the norm for Christians is not worldly prosperity as we are to use our wealth in the provision for others according to the prompting of His Spirit (we have the poor with us always.)


as you probably know J Osteen is what they like to categorize as a "prosperity preacher", which seems to be more like a motivational speaker that tickles the ears of the entitled American who calls themselves Christian. though one could be angry because of such, its no matter at least they flock like moths in desperate want for their desires, and expectations in entitlements, leaving use alone. they are there because they are what they are.

the Lord God told Abraham:


Gen_15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

and the rest is provision for the fulfillment of that same faith.
 
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in the same respect of the OP the Truth is and the rest is not. if one's relationships, beliefs or trust, are found and based on truth there is no fear of the foundation to move or fail. hence the Rock, expectation in the Truth is unmovable unflappable.

if you've observed at all the world loves to lie until it feels good or sticks or works according to their views until the lie fails to produce what was expected, and the agreement or understanding falls. but if the same is based on the truth failure will not be the agreement or the understanding.
 
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Faith of Christ is endowed with Power (not our faith, Christ’s) so much so that Jesus Christ can’t be deceived by His expectations, or denied the fulfillment of His expectations. Faith is an acknowledgement in power, is it not? Even Jesus Christ acknowledges the Father who is in Heaven that all His works were done by the power of the Father. And He said that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the “Son of man” which is in heaven, and also states that the Father is in Heaven but yet He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. Hence there is no blindness to His Faith acknowledging the Power He knows oh so well. Faith isn’t blind, there’s no faith in what is not known, or experienced.


For example: for some faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, hence the Truth of God revealed. But the rest seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand, therefore they can’t acknowledge what they don’t see or hear, hence no faith received or comes to them.


Therefore, one’s own faith has no real power but the Faith that is of Christ the Word of God that comes is endowed with the Power that is God. So, some are bowing to a power that is God’s, and some are bowing to the Power that is God? Note that Jesus said He was to sit at the right hand of “Power”, but is clear that He is because of the Father therefore the Father is the Power of the Son. the Son inherits that which is of the Father not the other way around.
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Remember King David, He said that God said to God Sit at my Right Hand until all has been put under your feet!!! David said that the Lord said to to my Lord sit at My right hand until all has been put under your feet. God put all Authority into our Saviors Authority, He also put Our Savior as our mediator! think about it! in the Mishcon Temple in Heaven we Have God, and at his Right hand we have our Savior, and at His right Hand we have the Spirit, so when we come before God, there are two witnesses, the Savior and the Spirit. it is a Triangle there will always be two witnesses, God and Spirit- Savior and God- God and Spirit - Savior and Spirit, that proclaim that we are one of HIS, without this we can not enter into the Throne Room of God, we must be establish by the Blood of the Lamb!
 
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Faith of Christ is endowed with Power (not our faith, Christ’s) so much so that Jesus Christ can’t be deceived by His expectations, or denied the fulfillment of His expectations. Faith is an acknowledgement in power, is it not? Even Jesus Christ acknowledges the Father who is in Heaven that all His works were done by the power of the Father. And He said that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the “Son of man” which is in heaven, and also states that the Father is in Heaven but yet He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. Hence there is no blindness to His Faith acknowledging the Power He knows oh so well. Faith isn’t blind, there’s no faith in what is not known, or experienced.


For example: for some faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, hence the Truth of God revealed. But the rest seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand, therefore they can’t acknowledge what they don’t see or hear, hence no faith received or comes to them.


Therefore, one’s own faith has no real power but the Faith that is of Christ the Word of God that comes is endowed with the Power that is God. So, some are bowing to a power that is God’s, and some are bowing to the Power that is God? Note that Jesus said He was to sit at the right hand of “Power”, but is clear that He is because of the Father therefore the Father is the Power of the Son. the Son inherits that which is of the Father not the other way around.


All exists because of God, therefore nothing is or has its own power, because all power, and power to do is granted by God. And consider just how much power that is and who or what shall He bestow it to, should He see fit to bestow it at all. So how is it that anything or anyone have the right or be entitled the power to be or do without God’s granting? Therefore, the only thing entitled is the fulfillment of God’s will according to His satisfaction. So expectation of one’s own desires are a hit and miss according to opportunity. But God’s expectation expressed through His Word are to be fulfilled. And that expectation is the true Faith.

Tried to reply! reed post # 12 expand something not right
 

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Remember King David, He said that God said to God Sit at my Right Hand until all has been put under your feet!!! David said that the Lord said to to my Lord sit at My right hand until all has been put under your feet. God put all Authority into our Saviors Authority, He also put Our Savior as our mediator! think about it! in the Mishcon Temple in Heaven we Have God, and at his Right hand we have our Savior, and at His right Hand we have the Spirit, so when we come before God, there are two witnesses, the Savior and the Spirit. it is a Triangle there will always be two witnesses, God and Spirit- Savior and God- God and Spirit - Savior and Spirit, that proclaim that we are one of HIS, without this we can not enter into the Throne Room of God, we must be establish by the Blood of the Lamb!


you're right about the quoting that was weird

anyway it is true, the two witnesses. when Jesus speaks of "I know you not" the Spirit is the witness and as He said He knows that only the Father drew us to Him so that is the other witness. I suspect its true in any dealing with God in our case.
 

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Therefore, one’s own faith has no real power but the Faith that is of Christ the Word of God that comes is endowed with the Power that is God. So, some are bowing to a power that is God’s, and some are bowing to the Power that is God? Note that Jesus said He was to sit at the right hand of “Power”, but is clear that He is because of the Father therefore the Father is the Power of the Son. the Son inherits that which is of !!!!!!!!!!

Tried to say that the power that God used during Our Saviors Ministry, every one of the Healing, Miriacals, were actually done by the Father, for and through the Son to prove that He was the Absolute Authority concerning the Faith, the Word, and God. So that those in the Religious Lead could not deny it. God was Validating Our Savior's Position!
 

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Therefore, one’s own faith has no real power but the Faith that is of Christ the Word of God that comes is endowed with the Power that is God. So, some are bowing to a power that is God’s, and some are bowing to the Power that is God? Note that Jesus said He was to sit at the right hand of “Power”, but is clear that He is because of the Father therefore the Father is the Power of the Son. the Son inherits that which is of !!!!!!!!!!

Tried to say that the power that God used during Our Saviors Ministry, every one of the Healing, Miriacals, were actually done by the Father, for and through the Son to prove that He was the Absolute Authority concerning the Faith, the Word, and God. So that those in the Religious Lead could not deny it. God was Validating Our Savior's Position!


absolutely if you remember Jesus stated if you don't believe Him then believe the works (meaning the miracles and such) to the religious leaders. thing is my friend Jesus isn't a religion He is the Life, of which God is and is about, life and living, the Word being the meat for that Life (the instructions thereof). not religious fervor. when one is resurrected and is in the new body like Christ has, it will be about being alive, and above ground in the Presence of God, the rest won't mean didly squat.
 
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absolutely if you remember Jesus stated if you don't believe Him then believe the works (meaning the miracles and such) to the religious leaders. thing is my friend Jesus isn't a religion He is the Life, of which God is and is about, life and living, the Word being the meat for that Life (the instructions thereof). not religious fervor. when one is resurrected and is in the new body like Christ has, it will be about being alive, and above ground in the Presence of God, the rest won't mean didly squat.

Exactly! religion is a word that can hold to anything that anyone could or would do with a rigorous practice!!!! Our Savior is the Reality and the Life. Choose LIFE!
 
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@Truth A big amen to that ! If only everyone who says they believe in Him could come to that reality.....Then we would be with the Lord and see the works which would follow as He confirms His word....What a wonder that would be to behold...:)
 
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@Truth A big amen to that ! If only everyone who says they believe in Him could come to that reality.....Then we would be with the Lord and see the works which would follow as He confirms His word....What a wonder that would be to behold...:)


its quite apparent that when and if they do come to that reality it will be to late. every one in the grave knows the truth of the situation whether they want to or not.
 

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its quite apparent that when and if they do come to that reality it will be to late. every one in the grave knows the truth of the situation whether they want to or not.
Hi....I was not referring to the ones in the grave, as you put it...I was referring to what Jesus had told his disciples was going to be possible once they received
the Holy Spirit, as well as anyone who would believe their testimony...
 
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