OSAS is now teaching faith with works, and not faith alone.

[robert derrick]

So to be blunt, you can read the words of KJV John 3:18, but you don't know what is being said.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

He that is now believing on Jesus is not condemned.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

He that is walking after the spirit now, and not now walking after the flesh is not condemned.

He that is now believing Jesus, is not now doing a sinful work of the flesh, nor is he condemned.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

He that is now committing a sin of the devil is of the devil, and is not now believing Jesus Christ, because the work of the devil is not destroyed within him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

He that is now believing Jesus and born of God, is not now committing a sin of the devil. He that is born of God by believing Jesus, cannot also be sinning with the devil at the same time. No man is now born of God and a child of the devil committing sin at the same time.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God.

He that is not now walking in the Spirit and doing the righteousness of God, is a child of the devil. No man can be believing Jesus and born of God at the same time, while sinning with their faither the devil.

God is the God of now, and is the righteous judge of what men are doing now, not yesterday past, nor tomorrow that may not come.

 

[robert derrick]

So to be blunt, you can read the words of KJV John 3:18, but you don't know what is being said.

Therefore, any man that says God is not righteously judging nor condemning him with the world, while now walking in an unrighteous work of the world, is teaching a blind christ and unjust judge with respecter of persons, and has corrupt favoritism for those of his own family.

Those doing a work of the devil are children and family of the devil, and the devil does not condemn any man for doing so with him. Nor would he ever lie and say he condemns any child of his sinning with him.

If we are doing any evil work of the devil, we are hearing him and lusting with him, and he is telling us we are not condemned with him.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beeginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The first lie the devil told himself, is that he is not condemned for sinning against Christ, and the lie he now tells all men, is that he is not condemned while sinning with him, but are as gods in the own right, free to do both good and evil without condemnation.

The only ones the devil condemns with lies against the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the power of His blood within man, are those who are not sinning with the devil anymore. He calls them boastful and proud to even think they do not have to sin with him today nor tomorrow nor the day after that unto the end.

No man believing he is not condemned for doing what others do, that are condemned, has any truth in him to reason with. That lie is the first lie the devil told himself, and the angels that sinned with him, and has been telling any man who will hear it, ever since Adam.

 

[Earburner]

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

He that is now believing on Jesus is not condemned.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

He that is walking after the spirit now, and not now walking after the flesh is not condemned.

He that is now believing Jesus, is not now doing a sinful work of the flesh, nor is he condemned.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

He that is now committing a sin of the devil is of the devil, and is not now believing Jesus Christ, because the work of the devil is not destroyed within him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

He that is now believing Jesus and born of God, is not now committing a sin of the devil. He that is born of God by believing Jesus, cannot also be sinning with the devil at the same time. No man is now born of God and a child of the devil committing sin at the same time.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God.

He that is not now walking in the Spirit and doing the righteousness of God, is a child of the devil. No man can be believing Jesus and born of God at the same time, while sinning with their faither the devil.

God is the God of now, and is the righteous judge of what men are doing now, not yesterday past, nor tomorrow that may not come.

So then, all who are Born again are not condemned, but should they fall into sin, and frequentlly, they are condemned again.
By that way of thinking, you are saying that all must be sin-free, in order to keep oneself in the KoG.
Therefore, it is paramount that a person be a "sin-tracker" with their own life, and confess every single one of their sins through Jesus to God, and hope that they can account for them all, even that of lusting after another for sex.

I believe that you have a very wrong understanding about what it means to "sin wilfully".KJV Hebrews 10:26-29.
Do you get blisters on your knees often?
Do you really think that you are "free indeed"?
Or could it be that you have imprisoned yourself even more so, than the person who lavishes in their sinful ways ignorantly?

 

[robert derrick]

So then, all who are Born again are not condemned, but should they fall into sin, and frequentlly, they are condemned again.

Of course. God is not a hypocrite and respecter of persons. He doesn't condemn one man for doing one thing, and not another for doing the same thing.

By that way of thinking, you are saying that all must be sin-free, in order to keep oneself in the KoG.

No man has to be free from sinning and not sin in this life. But only to go to heaven. Men are free to sin, all they like until the grave.

Therefore, it is paramount that a person be a "sin-tracker" with their own life, and confess every single one of their sins through Jesus to God, and hope that they can account for them all, even that of lusting after another for sex.

The Holy Spirit is the sin tracker for every man on earth, as a blessing to repent and be forgiven and not die sinning.

If we repent of lusting first, we won't need a sin-steps ap to keep track of sinning with the flesh.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

I believe that you have a very wrong understanding about what it means to "sin wilfully".KJV Hebrews 10:26-29.
Do you get blisters on your knees often?
Do you really think that you are "free indeed"?
Or could it be that you have imprisoned yourself even more so, than the person who lavishes in their sinful ways ignorantly?

Not sinning is not being in prison. And preaching against not sinning, is a deeper prison than just sinning.

 

[mailmandan]

So then, all who are Born again are not condemned, but should they fall into sin, and frequentlly, they are condemned again.
By that way of thinking, you are saying that all must be sin-free, in order to keep oneself in the KoG.
Therefore, it is paramount that a person be a "sin-tracker" with their own life, and confess every single one of their sins through Jesus to God, and hope that they can account for them all, even that of lusting after another for sex.

I believe that you have a very wrong understanding about what it means to "sin wilfully".KJV Hebrews 10:26-29.
Do you get blisters on your knees often?
Do you really think that you are "free indeed"?
Or could it be that you have imprisoned yourself even more so, than the person who lavishes in their sinful ways ignorantly?

Well said and those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

Certain people misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who can keep track of and write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (homologeó Strong's #3670) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

In regards to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, habitual, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be a contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and does not always necessarily refer to salvation.

In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" exclusively means saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians and not saved people: But WE are not OF THOSE who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

 

[Earburner]

Well said and those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

Certain people misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who can keep track of and write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (homologeó Strong's #3670) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

In regards to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, habitual, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be a contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and does not always necessarily refer to salvation.

In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" exclusively means saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians and not saved people: But WE are not OF THOSE who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

Yes, in all that you have said, the following KJV scriptures attest to the reality of our situation of "having this [His] treasure in earthen vessels", being that of our mortal and corruptible bodies (2 Corinthians 4:7), which is also revealed in us of Him making us to be "par-takers of the [His] divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4), which is by and through the power of His resurrection, who is "the firstborn from the dead".

Therefore, knowing that in this life, no one shall ever be "sin-free", but by the shed blood of Christ, and His Spirit within us, we are made to be "sin-less" before the Father, BECAUSE:
Colossians 3[3] For ye are DEAD, and your life is HID with Christ in God.
And as a result, through Jesus, we are NOW allowed and made able to approach the Father, and He to us- "By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" Hebrews 10:20

 

[Jack]

Please tell me if I'm wrong. OSAS means that once someone is truly saved he/she can never go to Hell no matter how evil they become? I think I am confused.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please tell me if I'm wrong. OSAS means that once someone is truly saved he/she can never go to Hell no matter how evil they become? I think I am confused.

Its deeper than this..

Mind if I ask you. According to the law. What was the standard. How many sins did it take for someone to fail to keep the law as required and bring to them the curse of the law?

 

[robert derrick]

Please tell me if I'm wrong. OSAS means that once someone is truly saved he/she can never go to Hell no matter how evil they become? I think I am confused.

Not exactly. They say if they get 'too' evil, then they never were really saved in the first place.

Of course which of them ever think they themselves are too evil, since they are the ones that determine how much too evil is.

It's the same thing when they say they are only of the devil, if they sin with him 'too much', and are practicing it. Once again they decide how often they can sin, before it becomes a practice.

OSAS is all about being saved by one's own faith alone. So long as they believe they are saved, then they are saved.

The saints say, If God says it, that's it. OSAS says, If I believe it, that's it.

And they can also believe whatever they want, such as their faith alone is now not alone.

 

[robert derrick]

I'm thinking this: The OSAS believers, that are forever saved by their own faith alone, can believe whatever they want, and God must accept it, because their souls are already forever in heaven too, just like any Him.

This is what giving God their faith, is all about: they are gods in heaven who give God what to believe. They individually contribute their faith alone to the whole faith of God.

Afterall, if someone really believes they are already, and forever shall be in heavenly places, with no chance whatsoever of falling from heaven, then whatever they believe must be heavenly, since they are in heaven, and so must be accepted in all heavenly places.

And so, if they believe something themselves alone, then it isn't alone, because all of heaven must believe it too.

If this sounds crazy, it's because it is, but this is the logical conclusion about OSAS thinking, and is also proven by how no Scripture is too important, that they can't change it to their own liking, since they say that nothing of pen and paper on earth matters anymore.

This can only be, because they are in heavenly places forever now, and so what they believe and say must matter most, and what their bodies are still doing on earth in the meantime, doesn't matter as much as what they believe.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Gospel Believer]

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

" Dead "Faith is still Faith.....it's just lying there not being used for anybody's benefit....it will cause one to receive no rewards in Heaven....
On the other hand, " No" Faith is something that does not even have the " possibility" to accomplish any type of " taking on the burdens of others", which is the only Law Jesus gave us this side of the Cross and this non- existent faith will get you damned.....

 

[mailmandan]

" Dead "Faith is still Faith.....it's just lying there not being used for anybody's benefit....it will cause one to receive no rewards in Heaven....
On the other hand, " No" Faith is something that does not even have the " possibility" to accomplish any type of " taking on the burdens of others", which is the only Law Jesus gave us this side of the Cross and this non- existent faith will get you damned.....

*Says/claims* to have faith is the key word in James 2:14. That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith.

 

[robert derrick]

All such dead faith alone without works, is lip-service only.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Until the doing, there is only hearing and talking.

 

[Gospel Believer]

All such dead faith alone without works, is lip-service only.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Until the doing, there is only hearing and talking.

The most recent things that Jesus said to do were to obey two commands—— two only—- #1 Believe #2 Love

Then he said to “ Follow Paul as he follows Christ”

Then He left us with just one Law —— That Law was what Paul referred to as “ The Law of Christ”......That Lone Law to obey was “ Take on the burdens of others”

Prove yourself to be a Good Student Of The Word and “ Rightly Divide” it—— that means reading beyond the Four Gospels and listen to what Paul , who was “ God's Chosen Vessel” has to say to the Church in this Age of Grace—— we are supposed to be “dead to the Law Of Moses”..... we don’t follow Moses anymore....we are to Follow Paul.....Paul said that the Righteous shall Live by Faith.....Faith in the Finished Work Of The Cross.....That is what I do....

 

[robert derrick]

The most recent things that Jesus said to do were to obey two commands—— two only—- #1 Believe #2 Love

Then he said to “ Follow Paul as he follows Christ”

Then He left us with just one Law —— That Law was what Paul referred to as “ The Law of Christ”......That Lone Law to obey was “ Take on the burdens of others”

Prove yourself to be a Good Student Of The Word and “ Rightly Divide” it—— that means reading beyond the Four Gospels and listen to what Paul , who was “ God's Chosen Vessel” has to say to the Church in this Age of Grace—— we are supposed to be “dead to the Law Of Moses”..... we don’t follow Moses anymore....we are to Follow Paul.....Paul said that the Righteous shall Live by Faith.....Faith in the Finished Work Of The Cross.....That is what I do....

You missed taking up our own cross.

Why are you speaking of the law of Moses. That's dead and gone with the OT and blood of bulls and goats.