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"OUR" Faith OR CHRIST'S Faith?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Ztheberean, Nov 19, 2007.

  1. Ztheberean

    Ztheberean New Member

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    We need to (learn how) to come from (OUR) faith (which is spoken of in all the world (Rom 1:8) to (Christ’s) faith (which is spoken of only by FEW Matt 9:37, Lk 10:2, 1 Cor 4:15). (Rom 1:17) What if some don’t believe this? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Are you being taught how you can have the faith OF Christ? Then you have asked God to crucify “YOU” with Christ, (and through this process of your crucifixion) it will no longer be “YOU” living (for your own self, and yours) But Christ living in you (and over you, so that you could be for others, rather than against them) (Gal 2:20); AND you will no longer call yourself a “sinner” (saved by grace) because you now understand, and have learned that God has forbidden Christ to be the minister of sin (Gal 2:17).Strong’s Hebrew # 1875 means to ask for something that has been well studied out, so that we can make valid claims, or inquiries, because we have done a very careful investigation. NOT TEN IN A THOUSAND BELIEVERS ARE WITHIN THIS ASKING, so that they shall live (Am 5:3-4) Therefore there is no real seeking through informed asking, unless we are first keep silent, (meaning learn) so that we can be into what is good, (God’s will, way, and work) and not into what is evil, (our will, way, and work) so that we might live. (5:13-14) Have you been sent a gentle and patient servant to instruct you in the way of repentance so that you could acknowledge this truth unto being recovered from the devil’s will (which is doing your own will, your own way, and your own work rather than God’s will, way, and work) ? ( 2Tim 2:24-26) Then you are learning how to purge yourself so that you can become a vessel of honor through God’s preparation, and be ready for your Master’s use ( 2:21); Those who are seeking to be justified by the faith of Christ (not their faith), will not be found calling themselves “sinners” (saved by grace) (Gal 2:16-17); Why? Because God has forbidden Christ to be the minister of sin. (Gal 2:17) This is why we need to (learn how) to come from (OUR )faith to (Christ’s) faith (Rom 1:17); Without which God’s wrath is upon all ungodliness of men who hold this truth in an unrighteous lifestyle, because when these believers said that they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, so God gave these over to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, and they changed the truth of God (moving us) into a lie (that we can move ourselves) and worshiped the creation more than the Creator because they would not retain this knowledge of God; Consequently, God gives these believers over to a reprobate mind which is filled with all wickedness, envy, pride, lusts, judgmental attitude, unmerciful, and without natural affection because they are without this understanding. ( Rom 1:18, 21, 24-25, 28-31); Those who are called can receive (the teaching of) grace so that they can become obedient to the faith (Rom 1:6-5); Have you been sent a servant who has the spiritual gift (of grace, in it’s teaching) so that you can be established in the faith so that you would not be ignorant of these things? (Rom 1:11, 13) Then you are being comforted, because you are in the will of God (1:12, 10). Faith comes by hearing the (whole) word of God, but how can we hear without a preacher? How can one preach unless they be sent? So we need to be sent a preacher who can bring not only the gospel, but these glad tidings, and the good things (of what God can do in us) so that we might become obedient from our hearts. (Rom 10:17, 14-16, 6:17); Can you believe this report? Then you can become obedient to the gospel by asking God to create Christ in you by His workmanship, not your work, so that you could perform the good work that you were ordained to (Rom 10:16, Eph 2:10-9) because this is God’s gift (Eph 2:10-9);Which gift of God you need to ask for (Jn 4:10) For we are saved by grace through (the) faith (of Christ) (2:8, Gal 2:20) Is your faith standing in the power of God, OR in the wisdom of men? (1 Cor 2:4-5)If your faith is standing in the power of God then you are being taught by the Holy Spirit, which teaches us the comparison of scripture with scripture, so that we can spiritually judge all things when we have the mind of Christ (2:13, 15-16) Those who have lifted themselves up cannot walk uprightly, because they are living by “their own” faith not (CHRIST) faith (Hab 2:4) Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, and prove it (using the scriptures); Without which you will be found as a reprobate (unfit, and not approved); For we can do nothing against the truth (2Cor 13:5,8); This doctrine which needs to be learned, causes those who are serving sin, to become obedient from their hearts (Rom 6:17) This doctrine causes divisions and offences to those who have not learned this, (or not willing to learn) and these are to be avoided and marked because they are not serving our Lord Jesus Christ (Rom 16:17-18) Servants of Christ can do the will of God from their hearts, because they are into pleasing God, more than pleasing men (Eph 6:6) Christians minister to those believers who put relationship before fellowship, (because relationships cause conflicts) but true fellowship has believers become united in the word of God. (Acts 2:42 & 46) Believers who want to remain ignorant of these spiritual truths, let them remain ignorant, because God is a God of order, However, this is not for salvation (by remaining ignorant of these things) but rather for decency, and order. (1 Cor 14:38 & 40) In Jesus name, Amen.
     
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    This is why we need to (learn how) to come from (OUR )faith to (Christ’s) faith (Rom 1:17); Those who have lifted themselves up cannot walk uprightly, because they are living by “their own” faith not (CHRIST) faith (Hab 2:4)
    Hi Z and allA lot of what you said is true.But the bit above I have to find fault with.There is nothing wrong with faith in yourself, others, things and ideas - as long as this faith does not exclude faith in God.Look at the following transferrals of everyday faith to religious faith, and tell me if you think faith is faith is faith.Matthew 8:8-10 "The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. "The centurion had everyday faith that as a man in authority, if he ordered a subordinate to do something, it would get done. Thus he could have religious faith that if Christ (a man in authority) ordered something to be done, it would be done (the servant healed). Thus a man of great everyday faith had great religious faith too.1 Samuel 17:34-36 "And David said unto Saul, Thy servant kept his father's sheep, and there came a lion, and a bear, and took a lamb out of the flock: 35 And I went out after him, and smote him, and delivered it out of his mouth: and when he arose against me, I caught him by his beard, and smote him, and slew him. 36 Thy servant slew both the lion and the bear: and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be as one of them, seeing he hath defied the armies of the living God. "David transferred his everyday faith that he could kill whatever attacked his sheep, to a "religious" faith that he could kill Goliath for defying God.Luke 12:24-29 "Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? ...how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? 29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind."Here, birds have a certain everyday faith that they will find their next meal and so do not bother to hoard food, nor do they sit anxiously worrying about where the next meal will come from. We are told to emulate their everyday faith.Matthew 25:24-26 "Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant,..."From this servants words, we can see he has a wrong perception of his master, and this lack of faith both in himself and his master, immobilizes him. And if people have faith/trust issues with others in everyday life, could this not get transferred to their religious life and attitude to God?Luke 18:17 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. "Isn't the everyday faith of a little child being commended here? If you have not lied to your child in the past, then they believe anything you tell them.Thus, is there anything "mystical" about faith? We already have faith in things, ideas and people. Is religious faith just everyday faith in God?
     
  3. savedbygrace57

    savedbygrace57 New Member

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    We need to (learn how) to come from (OUR) faith (which is spoken of in all the world (Rom 1:8) to (Christ’s) faith (which is spoken of only by FEW Matt 9:37, Lk 10:2, 1 Cor 4:15). (Rom 1:17) What if some don’t believe this? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Are you being taught how you can have the faith OF Christ? Then you have asked God to crucify “YOU” with Christ, (and through this process of your crucifixion) it will no longer be “YOU” living (for your own self, and yours) But Christ living in you (and over you, so that you could be for others, rather than against them) (Gal 2:20); AND you will no longer call yourself a “sinner” (saved by grace) because you now understand, and have learned that God has forbidden Christ to be the minister of sin (Gal 2:17).Strong’s Hebrew # 1875 means to ask for something that has been well studied out, so that we can make valid claims, or inquiries, because we have done a very careful investigation. NOT TEN IN A THOUSAND BELIEVERS ARE WITHIN THIS ASKING, so that they shall live (Am 5:3-4) Therefore there is no real seeking through informed asking, unless we are first keep silent, (meaning learn) so that we can be into what is good, (God’s will, way, and work) and not into what is evil, (our will, way, and work) so that we might live. (5:13-14) Have you been sent a gentle and patient servant to instruct you in the way of repentance so that you could acknowledge this truth unto being recovered from the devil’s will (which is doing your own will, your own way, and your own work rather than God’s will, way, and work) ? ( 2Tim 2:24-26) Then you are learning how to purge yourself so that you can become a vessel of honor through God’s preparation, and be ready for your Master’s use ( 2:21); Those who are seeking to be justified by the faith of Christ (not their faith), will not be found calling themselves “sinners” (saved by grace) (Gal 2:16-17); Why? Because God has forbidden Christ to be the minister of sin. (Gal 2:17) This is why we need to (learn how) to come from (OUR )faith to (Christ’s) faith (Rom 1:17); Without which God’s wrath is upon all ungodliness of men who hold this truth in an unrighteous lifestyle, because when these believers said that they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, so God gave these over to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, and they changed the truth of God (moving us) into a lie (that we can move ourselves) and worshiped the creation more than the Creator because they would not retain this knowledge of God; Consequently, God gives these believers over to a reprobate mind which is filled with all wickedness, envy, pride, lusts, judgmental attitude, unmerciful, and without natural affection because they are without this understanding. ( Rom 1:18, 21, 24-25, 28-31); Those who are called can receive (the teaching of) grace so that they can become obedient to the faith (Rom 1:6-5); Have you been sent a servant who has the spiritual gift (of grace, in it’s teaching) so that you can be established in the faith so that you would not be ignorant of these things? (Rom 1:11, 13) Then you are being comforted, because you are in the will of God (1:12, 10). Faith comes by hearing the (whole) word of God, but how can we hear without a preacher? How can one preach unless they be sent? So we need to be sent a preacher who can bring not only the gospel, but these glad tidings, and the good things (of what God can do in us) so that we might become obedient from our hearts. (Rom 10:17, 14-16, 6:17); Can you believe this report? Then you can become obedient to the gospel by asking God to create Christ in you by His workmanship, not your work, so that you could perform the good work that you were ordained to (Rom 10:16, Eph 2:10-9) because this is God’s gift (Eph 2:10-9);Which gift of God you need to ask for (Jn 4:10) For we are saved by grace through (the) faith (of Christ) (2:8, Gal 2:20) Is your faith standing in the power of God, OR in the wisdom of men? (1 Cor 2:4-5)If your faith is standing in the power of God then you are being taught by the Holy Spirit, which teaches us the comparison of scripture with scripture, so that we can spiritually judge all things when we have the mind of Christ (2:13, 15-16) Those who have lifted themselves up cannot walk uprightly, because they are living by “their own” faith not (CHRIST) faith (Hab 2:4) Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, and prove it (using the scriptures); Without which you will be found as a reprobate (unfit, and not approved); For we can do nothing against the truth (2Cor 13:5,8); This doctrine which needs to be learned, causes those who are serving sin, to become obedient from their hearts (Rom 6:17) This doctrine causes divisions and offences to those who have not learned this, (or not willing to learn) and these are to be avoided and marked because they are not serving our Lord Jesus Christ (Rom 16:17-18) Servants of Christ can do the will of God from their hearts, because they are into pleasing God, more than pleasing men (Eph 6:6) Christians minister to those believers who put relationship before fellowship, (because relationships cause conflicts) but true fellowship has believers become united in the word of God. (Acts 2:42 & 46) Believers who want to remain ignorant of these spiritual truths, let them remain ignorant, because God is a God of order, However, this is not for salvation (by remaining ignorant of these things) but rather for decency, and order. (1 Cor 14:38 & 40) In Jesus name, Amen.
    When scripture seaks on the faith of christ its refering to christ faithfulness on our behalf his covenant engagements to the father for his people..gal 2:Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.phil3And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:One of christ gifts included in salvation is faith..:bible:
     
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