Our French Revolution on the Horizon

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As always man never learns anything from history, that's if he happens to be taught it at all. It is usually so generic or politically correct that it is useless. Thus man is doomed to always repeat.

I have been studying the French Revolution lately. And it is not hard to see, that that which Americans avoided and the English avoided, which is the type of revolution the French had, is coming. Everyone should read of the 'Reign of Terror' at that time.

I watched on PBS yesterday a political interview. One man made a very good point. He said, used to, Democrats and Republicans were political opponents. But now they are enemies. Once you opponent becomes your enemy, that's dangerous.

I believe this has affected the Democratic party more at this time, though the Republican party is affected also. This is why conservatives are viewed as deplorable. This is why Maxine Waters calls for the harrasment of anyone connected with Trump. The atheistic liberal left considers the Christian conservative right as an enemy. They are electing socialists to power. And eventually, what do you do with an enemy? You go to war and try and kill them.

Fransis Schaeffer in his book, (How Shall We Then Live", Fleming H. Revell Co., 1976)makes some very good observations concerning why the French Revolution turned into a 'Reign of Terror', and America's Revolution and England's Bloodless Revolution of 1688 did not. In short it was due to the affects of the Reformation upon the people of England and America.

A vast number of people were becoming born-again. Revivals went back and forth across the ocean. The countries laws were seen as being based on the absolute authority of God and His Words, The Bible. As Schaeffer says of the Reformation in his before mentioned book, "One of the greatest affect it had was the opportunity for tremendous freedom without chaos." (p.105)

He again says, "Thus the biblical insistance on the responsibility of people-even of monarchs-to God's law turned the political tide in those countries where the Reformation emphasis on the Bible as the only final authority took root." (p.108)

But today we turn our government away from the Bible. It is no longer the basis for our right and wrong or the way the government should work. France did not have the Reformation base to curb and define it's revolution. Thus it became chaos, and mass killings and murders. And now we are losing, or should I say, turning away from our Reformation base. Thus it is 'enemies' instead of opponents. And once something triggers it, it will turn into a Reign of Terror.

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Intersting post.

The atheistic liberal left considers the Christian conservative right as an enemy. They are electing socialists to power. And eventually, what do you do with an enemy? You go to war and try and kill them.

I'm not sure that I have seen that it becomes a war.
But maybe 'war' is anytime one 'side' kills another side of another religion or opinion.

For decades I have believed that they will empty all the prisons and put the Christians in prisons and mental facilities.
That is their plan, to destroy anyone who confesses God. But, in all that, I am not sure when God will call "time out" and shows His hand.

I have no idea how close or far away we are to the end.
Or is all this just "the beginning of the end?"...
 
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Intersting post.



I'm not sure that I have seen that it becomes a war.
But maybe 'war' is anytime one 'side' kills another side of another religion or opinion.

For decades I have believed that they will empty all the prisons and put the Christians in prisons and mental facilities.
That is their plan, to destroy anyone who confesses God. But, in all that, I am not sure when God will call "time out" and shows His hand.

I have no idea how close or far away we are to the end.
Or is all this just "the beginning of the end?"...

Note everyday the violence is increasing. Thanks to the leftist liberals and the black Maxine Waters. Mitch McConnel was harassed by them in public. A white teenager was bullied by a Mexican adult because he supported Trump. Such a brave man that Mexican was, attacking a child. And now Bannon has been harassed.

The closer we get to the replacement of the Supreme Court, the more this is going to grow. The atheistic left is letting everyone know they will force their will upon you physically. They cannot live with Trumps Supreme Court pick cause they know this will affect most of them the rest of their lives. They will threaten you and assault you. It will continue because our government is afraid to arrest Maxine for inciting riots. Why? For fear of the riots it would cause. It is called 'terrorism'. That is what the Democratic atheistic liberal left is resorting to.

Once the Media and Maxine (M&M) whip up the liberals into a frenzy, it only takes an ignition source to set it off. Who knows what that will be, but it's coming. Some form of secession is the only peaceful way out of this.

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As always man never learns anything from history, that's if he happens to be taught it at all. It is usually so generic or politically correct that it is useless. Thus man is doomed to always repeat.

I have been studying the French Revolution lately. And it is not hard to see, that that which Americans avoided and the English avoided, which is the type of revolution the French had, is coming. Everyone should read of the 'Reign of Terror' at that time.

I watched on PBS yesterday a political interview. One man made a very good point. He said, used to, Democrats and Republicans were political opponents. But now they are enemies. Once you opponent becomes your enemy, that's dangerous.

I believe this has affected the Democratic party more at this time, though the Republican party is affected also. This is why conservatives are viewed as deplorable. This is why Maxine Waters calls for the harrasment of anyone connected with Trump. The atheistic liberal left considers the Christian conservative right as an enemy. They are electing socialists to power. And eventually, what do you do with an enemy? You go to war and try and kill them.

Fransis Schaeffer in his book, (How Shall We Then Live", Fleming H. Revell Co., 1976)makes some very good observations concerning why the French Revolution turned into a 'Reign of Terror', and America's Revolution and England's Bloodless Revolution of 1688 did not. In short it was due to the affects of the Reformation upon the people of England and America.

A vast number of people were becoming born-again. Revivals went back and forth across the ocean. The countries laws were seen as being based on the absolute authority of God and His Words, The Bible. As Schaeffer says of the Reformation in his before mentioned book, "One of the greatest affect it had was the opportunity for tremendous freedom without chaos." (p.105)

He again says, "Thus the biblical insistance on the responsibility of people-even of monarchs-to God's law turned the political tide in those countries where the Reformation emphasis on the Bible as the only final authority took root." (p.108)

But today we turn our government away from the Bible. It is no longer the basis for our right and wrong or the way the government should work. France did not have the Reformation base to curb and define it's revolution. Thus it became chaos, and mass killings and murders. And now we are losing, or should I say, turning away from our Reformation base. Thus it is 'enemies' instead of opponents. And once something triggers it, it will turn into a Reign of Terror.

Stranger
You got it Stranger.
 

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The closer we get to the replacement of the Supreme Court, the more this is going to grow. The atheistic left is letting everyone know they will force their will upon you physically. They cannot live with Trumps Supreme Court pick cause they know this will affect most of them the rest of their lives. They will threaten you and assault you. It will continue because our government is afraid to arrest Maxine for inciting riots. Why? For fear of the riots it would cause. It is called 'terrorism'. That is what the Democratic atheistic liberal left is resorting to.

Once the Media and Maxine (M&M) whip up the liberals into a frenzy, it only takes an ignition source to set it off. Who knows what that will be, but it's coming. Some form of secession is the only peaceful way out of this.

Stranger


Thanks for the clarity of that. Yes, I can see it now. Very true. :(

I guess we have always know that this was coming...it just hasn't come quite the way I thought it would come. ( it being violence and open killing of the right)
The anti-Christian left will become even more aggressive.
We know that all that is going on has been planned for decades.
Although Trump get's the blame, it wouldn't matter who got in...this IS "The Plan" always has been. Poor old Trump "just happened" to be in the hot seat when it happened.
If Hillary had got in...it would STILL happen...only not as overtly...but more secretly and subtly. This has taken year....
 

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violence is increasing
since Trump took office, yes, in the US specifically, but in general this is specious yack, and you just need to turn off the news imo
https://www.google.com/search?q=vio...ng&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

don't miss the links at the bottom of page 1, violent crime has suddenly increased, coinciding with the election oops
other articles can be found by searching something similar to
"Trump election caused violent crime spike"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tru...ke&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
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since Trump took office, yes, in the US specifically, but in general this is specious yack, and you just need to turn off the news imo
https://www.google.com/search?q=vio...ng&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

don't miss the links at the bottom of page 1, violent crime has suddenly increased, coinciding with the election oops
other articles can be found by searching something similar to
"Trump election caused violent crime spike"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tru...ke&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Not often do I disagree with you, but I do here.

Just because the left has now 'made it' overtly violent does not mean that this violence had not been planned for years. "unseen" does not mean none existent. Now you are the one with his head in the sand. :(
 

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Not often do I disagree with you, but I do here.
um, i have not professed any belief that i am aware of one way or the other yet; what are you disagreeing with specifically?
i can't really quantify your comments to respond to them, sorry; planned violence? by some Gov faction deemed "left?"
do we need to review The Prince here? or what
 

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Just because the left has now 'made it' overtly violent does not mean that this violence had not been planned for years.
i can't even really connect these two phrases, could you rephrase your point here? ty
it almost seems like you're agreeing with me, yet you are disagreeing. with something
 

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I do agree violence is increasing...but nothing to do with Trump, I blame Hollywood movies, Tv etc for that.

I don't believe that "hate crimes" has anything to do with Trump either.

Maybe I read you post sideways...maybe that is what you were also saying.
If so, sorry.
 
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i can't even really connect these two phrases, could you rephrase your point here? ty
it almost seems like you're agreeing with me, yet you are disagreeing. with something

I know... :D

I think I am agreeing with you. And we are agreeing with each other!!
In fact I am probably so confused I don't even know if agree with myself :D
 

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I do agree violence is increasing...but nothing to do with Trump, I blame Hollywood movies, Tv etc for that.
only violence has been on a 50 year downswing despite all those; until 2016
I don't believe that "hate crimes" has anything to do with Trump either.
ah well i'm not sure "Trump" is the correct extraction there, ya, but 2016 certainly is. We gotta guy here loves boxing at the air and Trump, i'll let you do the math lol. Imo that they both are afforded a pulpit is just symptoms of the same prob
 
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And it is not hard to see, that that which Americans avoided and the English avoided
that that which Americans prevented and the English prevented
which is the type of revolution the French had
which is the type of revolution the 2nd Amendment guarantees

not that the guarantee means anything, guarantees are just promises
 

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only violence has been on a 50 year downswing despite all those; until 2016

Where did you get that from?
Surely living through the last 70 + years says differently...unless you are counting all the deaths in wars into this number?
I'm not even thinking of wars.

One thing I have wondered is ( because statistics can prove anything one wants it to prove) ..just maybe the reporting of it more quickly in the so called "news" may appear to make it look like increase. ?
 

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Where did you get that from?
search it any way you like. If you find any contrasting info lemme know
Surely living through the last 70 + years says differently
living thru the last 70 years of the MSM and its many Loyal Repeaters anyway, ya. The truth is pretty different, i'll let your search guide us here. Some exceptions, but generally speaking all crime has been decreasing in the developed world for quite some time, up until 2016. Ignoring the spike that began then and continues to today, crime is nonetheless vastly down from 50 years ago, still. Again if you find any conflicting info that is sourced, let's see it
One thing I have wondered is ( because statistics can prove anything one wants it to prove) ..just maybe the reporting of it more quickly in the so called "news" may appear to make it look like increase. ?
yes. When there are only two starving children left in Africa, they will just crowd them closer to the camera and get them to sob a little or something imo. Do your very best to prove that crime was on the upswing prior to 2016, and see.
http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2010/06/16/a-crime-puzzle-violent-crime-declines-in-america/
 
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It is no coincidence that the Left and Right politically are heavily divided as Christian and non-Christian. The Right is often called the Conservative Christian Right and the Left is often called the Liberal atheistic left. Believers in Jesus Christ usually make their home in a conservative party just as the non-believers usually make their home in a liberal party, which is what the Democratic party is. All of which helps create this unpassable divide in the country.

As I indicated in the opening post, Francis Schaeffer in his book "How Shall We Then Live", a book I highly recommend, is correct in showing that it was the influence of the Reformation upon England and America that saved its revolution from becoming like the French Revolution. England and America had the Reformation base. Bible believers. France was in need of Reform but did not have the Reformation base. Instead it's revolution was based on the humanistic Enlightenment, which Schaeffer describes as "The utopian dream of the Enlightenment can be summed up by five words: reason, nature, happiness, progress, and liberty. It was thoroughly secular in its thinking." (p.121)

Schaeffer goes on to say, "And if the humanistic elements of the Rennaissance stand in sharp contrast to the Reformation, the Enlightenment was in total antithesis to it. The two stood for and were based upon absolutely different things in an absolute way, and they produced absolutely different results. " (p. 121) And we have seen what France produced in its 'Reign of terror'. Just like you have the beginnings of with the Liberal Lefts Maxine Waters and the Media, (M&M) in trying to unleash terror upon its enemies. Yes, enemies, instead of opponents.

But, history never stops, it moves. And what any event produces, also produces something. The American Revolution, with its Reformation base, produced a Constitutional Republic form of government. Liberty and power was checked. But what did the French Revolution, who instead operated on the humanistic Enlightenment base produce? Napoleon, a dictator. Schaeffer says, "...but when the French Revolution tried to reproduce the English conditions without the Reformation base, but rather on Voltaire's humanist Enlightenment base, the result was a bloodbath and a rapid breakdown into the authoritarian rule of Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)."

This divide is clearly seen in Americas politics today. The Christian Right with its Reformation base in opposition to the atheistic Left with its Enlightenment base. And who produced the 'Terror'? The atheistic Left. And who produced the dictator? The atheistic Left. One side wants God in the picture and one side does not. One side wants the Bible in the picture and one side does not. In other words, one side wants their government reflected by God and his ways. One side does not.

It is of great interest to me that God and Jesus Christ face the same opposition to God's right to rule through His man Jesus Christ, over the nations of the world as the American Christian right face today. One day when Christ sets up the millennial kingdom, it will be through great opposition. And America is a perfect example of the worlds opposition because we as no other nation are an amalgamation of peoples throughout the world. The rage and anger voiced against the Conservative Christian Right by the Liberal atheistic Left, is the same that God will hear when Christ returns to set up His Kingdom on earth.

(Psalms 2 ) is so fitting for this time. "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

Also, (Acts 7:27), "But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us."

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So violence has been on a fifty year down slide until two years ago according to @bbyrd009.....yet the OP and others are convinced that there is a war on the horizon............hmmm
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Maybe a war is the best thing that can happen to America, so that it cleanses itself of all the scum. No one ever considers this of course. "The people" wanted Mr. Trump to "drain the damn swamp", so maybe they will get their wish. I think Trump is one of the best things to ever happen to America. He is especially good for the more dark skinned people, because we, people of my own color, at least no longer have the illusion of inclusion, as he emboldened all the race soldiers to come out of the wood work. ;)