Outside accounts

[breathofdesire]

Many people discount the Bible due to the lack of outside accounts. Accounts that they want to see that corroborate the information in the Bible.

But the Bible itself are the outside accounts, a collection of 66 external documents that have been collected over thousands of years. Each document talking about one God or Gods dealing with humankind.

Then there's the fact that within these 66 books there are many more outside witnesses who attest to the God of the Bible.

 

[DPMartin]

Many people discount the Bible due to the lack of outside accounts. Accounts that they want to see that corroborate the information in the Bible.

But the Bible itself are the outside accounts, a collection of 66 external documents that have been collected over thousands of years. Each document talking about one God or Gods dealing with humankind.

Then there's the fact that within these 66 books there are many more outside witnesses who attest to the God of the Bible.

well the reality is, the bible is a collection of documents telling of a peoples relationship with their God, that are written by the same. no more no less. and to tell the truth, its really so those who believe in the same God may affirm that its the same God of Israel they are experiencing and or have a relationship with, amongst other things, like is some one preaching and teaching of the same God.

the difficulty is in western culture is that "Christianity" has dominated the landscape so much non believers and so called Christians alike try to use it to justify their own understanding of the way things are. back in the day of Paul and such, they came into the gentile world telling them of their God. now its everybody's telling each other of what they think or see God ought to be in their own judgement. hence the setup for the great deception. it will take one person to satisfy what these people think God ought to be, and they will follow him. but in various degrees this has happened before in human history.

 

[amadeus]

And I am one of the them... of the outside witnesses that is!

 

[Job]

Many people discount the Bible due to the lack of outside accounts. Accounts that they want to see that corroborate the information in the Bible.

 

[breathofdesire]

well the reality is, the bible is a collection of documents telling of a peoples relationship with their God, that are written by the same. no more no less. and to tell the truth, its really so those who believe in the same God may affirm that its the same God of Israel they are experiencing and or have a relationship with, amongst other things, like is some one preaching and teaching of the same God.

the difficulty is in western culture is that "Christianity" has dominated the landscape so much non believers and so called Christians alike try to use it to justify their own understanding of the way things are. back in the day of Paul and such, they came into the gentile world telling them of their God. now its everybody's telling each other of what they think or see God ought to be in their own judgement. hence the setup for the great deception. it will take one person to satisfy what these people think God ought to be, and they will follow him. but in various degrees this has happened before in human history.

We're still the same people deep down, only our knowledge has increased.

That knowledge has created certain conditions and laws. But if we took all those things away today, we'd likely return to savagery.

 

[DPMartin]

We're still the same people deep down, only our knowledge has increased.

That knowledge has created certain conditions and laws. But if we took all those things away today, we'd likely return to savagery.

man has never left savagery, there are those who want to believe they have. law is merely a national agreement of what they will or will not do. break the agreement and the offended in many cases have the right, or are justified by the same law to commit sanctioned savagery. and even the Lord descripts that His clothes will be soaked in His enemies blood when the time comes.

 

[Windmillcharge]

Many people discount the Bible due to the lack of outside accounts. Accounts that they want to see that corroborate the information in the Bible.

No many people use the excuse that they are unaware of corroboration accounts that confirm the accuracy and authentisity of the bible.
The information that the gospel of luke and Acts are 100% accurate has been around since the start of the 19th century.
There are also plenty of early accounts that confirm that Jesus lived, was exceuted bu Pontus Pilate etc
That atheist do not investigate or are unwilling to believe them reveals that there unbelief is not based on evidence.

 

[DPMartin]

No many people use the excuse that they are unaware of corroboration accounts that confirm the accuracy and authentisity of the bible.
The information that the gospel of luke and Acts are 100% accurate has been around since the start of the 19th century.
There are also plenty of early accounts that confirm that Jesus lived, was exceuted bu Pontus Pilate etc
That atheist do not investigate or are unwilling to believe them reveals that there unbelief is not based on evidence.

na, experiences in the flesh, is life to them (the atheists), and the earth and all that it yields affirms that to them. they love the life in the flesh and the evidence jargon they use, is for the arguments only. defending themselves from any belief system that would interfere with their pleasures in the flesh without guilt or shame or criminal prosecution. note secular is always justifying its ok, to be what is obviously incorrect.

Christ is Life to the Faithful and the bible affirms to them that they are experiencing the same Lord God of Moses Abraham King David so on and so forth.


just take the creation account for instance, who was there but God Himself therefore who told the writer what happened on what day of creation? there's no concern in the text for proofs and where this or that is so you can find it 5000 yr's or so later. only those caught up in such arguments with science and such care.

God really doesn't care that it can be proven or not does He? He seeks out the faithful because He is Faithful and leaves the "yea but"s to the wayside.

 

[Windmillcharge]

na, experiences in the flesh, is life to them (the atheists), and the earth and all that it yields affirms that to them. they love the life in the flesh and the evidence jargon they use, is for the arguments only. defending themselves from any belief system that would interfere with their pleasures in the flesh without guilt or shame or criminal prosecution. note secular is always justifying its ok, to be what is obviously incorrect.

Christ is Life to the Faithful and the bible affirms to them that they are experiencing the same Lord God of Moses Abraham King David so on and so forth.


just take the creation account for instance, who was there but God Himself therefore who told the writer what happened on what day of creation? there's no concern in the text for proofs and where this or that is so you can find it 5000 yr's or so later. only those caught up in such arguments with science and such care.

God really doesn't care that it can be proven or not does He? He seeks out the faithful because He is Faithful and leaves the "yea but"s to the wayside.

Actually through out the OT is the assumtion that what is being writen in the historical accounts is just that historical facts being recorded for posterity.
Again and again you find coments like the witness stones are there to this day and there are the commands to teach what happened to your children and they are to teach their children etc etc etc.

 

[ScottA]

na, experiences in the flesh, is life to them (the atheists), and the earth and all that it yields affirms that to them. they love the life in the flesh and the evidence jargon they use, is for the arguments only. defending themselves from any belief system that would interfere with their pleasures in the flesh without guilt or shame or criminal prosecution. note secular is always justifying its ok, to be what is obviously incorrect.

Christ is Life to the Faithful and the bible affirms to them that they are experiencing the same Lord God of Moses Abraham King David so on and so forth.


just take the creation account for instance, who was there but God Himself therefore who told the writer what happened on what day of creation? there's no concern in the text for proofs and where this or that is so you can find it 5000 yr's or so later. only those caught up in such arguments with science and such care.

God really doesn't care that it can be proven or not does He? He seeks out the faithful because He is Faithful and leaves the "yea but"s to the wayside.

This is also true. I guess we can't help but feel for their loss...even if they don't. To say nothing of the challenge their argument brings to those of us who have more information and know better.

 

[DPMartin]

This is also true. I guess we can't help but feel for their loss...even if they don't. To say nothing of the challenge their argument brings to those of us who have more information and know better.

well if my memory serves Paul says something to the effect that they basically know there is a Creator and Judge anyway. but to them to loss there own judgment of what is good and evil would be the loss of justifying their own pleasures in the flesh they love, of which they are not willing to surrender. in their view its all they have. which is true. and there's no sense in condemning the condemned on our part, which is why they don't care about sin against God. what are you going to do, condemn a man to death that is condemned to death and he knows it? so now they have a religion that they have faith in that they continually develop to sustain the belief.