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Revelation 13:7.... And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world....

Next month the Pope has carte blanche speaking rights to American lawmakers in a full congress. Then later he visits the UN to speak to most of the assembled world's leaders in one hit. He has two agendas. One, to promote Sunday sacredness and to establish this as law in all nations on the pretext of climate control and environmental concerns, as well as a family time to promote rest and peace and harmony within families. The second item on his agenda is to continue to promote himself as the only viable leader with the moral backing and the numbers in support to be the only logical leader in the coming NWO, the global government.
Jeffrey Sachs, an adviser to Pope Francis, believes the pope is about to challenge American ideals in individual freedom to rights of conscience. In other words, he seeks to challenge the first amendment.
I can offer ten scriptural reasons why the Papacy as a system of religion and government, can be accurately identified as the Antichrist. And next month millions of Americans will be welcoming him to your shores, and hanging on his every word. WAKE UP AMERICA, time is short. Here is a very interesting article that brings Revelation 13,17,and 18 right to our doorsteps.
http://http//www.aim.org/aim-column/liberal-academic-says-americas-founding-document-outmoded/
 

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You are right on BL..Revelation 17 describes the papal system and vatican very clearly, and calls it a "harlot" and mother of harlots..in other words those religions following the pagan Roman system...there are so many scriptures that expose the fallacy of the papal sytem...such as Jesus saying "call no man on earth your Father, only the Father that is in Heaven...the pope goes one better and wants to be called Holy Father...that is blasphemy if there ever was..his priests want to be called father...there is a long list of false doctrines and teachings that come from papal Rome, such as pergatory, baby baptism, Peter as the first pope, complete enforced celibacy of the priesthood to mention a few...As Daniel in chap 7 prophesied this false religious would come into being, and ".think to change God's times and laws" which Rome did 800 or so years later...the change from God's Holy 7th day Sabbath to the first day of the week, in honour of their sungod and the pagan origins...all without Biblical authority...interesting times ahead!
 

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Catholics these days seem to have this "make a better world" agenda going on, and disregard the concerns for the Kingdom of Heaven. Because like most denominations today, the focus is on the fulfillment of one’s life in the world, rather than fulfillment in Christ.

There may be something to your posting, but unless there is an official publication by the Vatican stating your accusations of such a agenda, then your words are speculation only.

I am aware of many who are disappointed in their church of heritage, including Catholics, and some stay for the sake of, like the prophets did. I’d say if the Pope declares that the god of Mohammad the prophet of Islam, is the same as the Lord God of Abraham, then there might be something to your view that the Vatican is playing lead in the deception of the world.
 

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brakelite said:
Revelation 13:7.... And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world....
Next month the Pope has carte blanche speaking rights to American lawmakers in a full congress. Then later he visits the UN to speak to most of the assembled world's leaders in one hit. He has two agendas. One, to promote Sunday sacredness and to establish this as law in all nations on the pretext of climate control and environmental concerns, as well as a family time to promote rest and peace and harmony within families. The second item on his agenda is to continue to promote himself as the only viable leader with the moral backing and the numbers in support to be the only logical leader in the coming NWO, the global government.
Jeffrey Sachs, an adviser to Pope Francis, believes the pope is about to challenge American ideals in individual freedom to rights of conscience. In other words, he seeks to challenge the first amendment.
I can offer ten scriptural reasons why the Papacy as a system of religion and government, can be accurately identified as the Antichrist. And next month millions of Americans will be welcoming him to your shores, and hanging on his every word. WAKE UP AMERICA, time is short. Here is a very interesting article that brings Revelation 13,17,and 18 right to our doorsteps.
http://http//www.aim.org/aim-column/liberal-academic-says-americas-founding-document-outmoded/
Click here, and scroll to post 17. http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/21613-pope-calls-for-global-political-leader/
I've explained why the headline is typically false. using official Catholic documents, not media editorializing.

"One, to promote Sunday sacredness and to establish this as law in all nations" is Seventh Day Adventist propaganda.

Seventh-day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-day Adventism. read more here

The Pope is NOT promoting any kind of New World Order with a dominating moral dictator, that's just hate speech. It's explained in the first link.
 

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You are right on BL..Revelation 17 describes the papal system and vatican very clearly, and calls it a "harlot" and mother of harlots..in other words those religions following the pagan Roman system...there are so many scriptures that expose the fallacy of the papal sytem...such as Jesus saying "call no man on earth your Father, only the Father that is in Heaven...the pope goes one better and wants to be called Holy Father...that is blasphemy if there ever was..his priests want to be called father...there is a long list of false doctrines and teachings that come from papal Rome, such as pergatory, baby baptism, Peter as the first pope, complete enforced celibacy of the priesthood to mention a few...As Daniel in chap 7 prophesied this false religious would come into being, and ".think to change God's times and laws" which Rome did 800 or so years later...the change from God's Holy 7th day Sabbath to the first day of the week, in honour of their sungod and the pagan origins...all without Biblical authority...interesting times ahead!
This is called cluster bombing or shot gunning. I count about 10 blatant lies which is a good indication that you are either incapable of honest discussion or just ranting. One thing at a time please.

Judging by the criteria of biblical fundamentalism (literal words literally understood) it is certain that there is no mention of the Catholic Church in the book of Revelation as the Whore of Babylon. By contortions of interpretation (not biblical literalism) some groups and individuals equate the Whore in Revelation 17:9 with the Catholic Church since Rome is the famous city of seven hills and the Church's principal See is Rome. This position is untenable, both factually and from the only words of Scripture, which tell us of the actual doctrine of the Antichrist, those of the apostle John in his letters.
There would seem to be two choices, either interpret Rev 17:9 absolutely literally or according to some interpretive key that is metaphorical, allegorical or otherwise non-literal. Lets look first at literal interpretation.
"The seven heads represent seven hills on which the woman sits." First of all, no Pope has ever lived or had his "seat" (cathedra or cathedral) on any of the seven hills of Rome. These hills are small hillocks (Capitoline, Palatine, Esquiline, Aventine and three lesser "bumps" in central Rome) where the religion and government of pagan Rome was situated.
The Catholic Church's headquarters at the Lateran (the cathedral) and at the Vatican (where the Pope lives) does not coincide with them. At the time that John wrote Revelation the Christians of Rome lived mostly in Trastevere (trans Tiber), a district "across the Tiber" from the City and adjacent to the Vatican hill where St. Peter was crucified and buried. The Vatican is on top of that burial site and is today its own city-state distinct from Rome and Italy.

Get that? You have to cross the Tiber River to get to the Seven Hills of Rome, please check a map!.

So, of what was St. John speaking when he wrote Revelation on the island of Patmos around 96 AD? Obviously of the pagan imperial system situated on the Seven Hills. Especially the Capitoline (the religious and political center) and the Palatine (the imperial palace). This pagan power persecuted the Church of Rome in Nero's day (64-67 AD), and in the mid-90s under Domitian was persecuting Christians throughout the Roman world. Domitian was considered by the people a re-incarnation of the evil, but well-liked, Nero (the head that lives again). While the antichrist Nero persecuted only the Christians of Rome, Domitian extended that persecution through the empire. Both are thus types of the final persecutor.

Why the cryptic name Babylon? First, the historical Babylon was the pagan power which persecuted the People of God, the Jews, between 610 and 538 BC, destroying the Temple and dispersing the people. The Romans inherited that mantle of infamy when they destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, and more importantly persecuted the new People of God, the Church. Thus, St. Peter, writing from Rome refers to as "Babylon" (1 Pt. 5:13) - a name any Jew or Christian familiar with the Old Testament would know.
How does this relate to the Antichrist? The future Antichrist will be a world-wide power, essentially pagan, which will persecute the Catholic Church (and orthodox Christians in general) everywhere, as the Babylonians persecuted the Jews and 1st century Rome the Church. These are biblical types! The Babylon of John's day, Rome, stands for the kingdom of the future Antichrist and is no more likely to be situated in Italy than Rome needed to be situated in Babylonia (modern Iraq). John was informing his readers of these prophetic types by drawing their attention to the contemporary fulfillment they found in pagan Rome. The Antichrist will come out of the Christian world (Greco-Roman civilization) to be sure (1 John 2:19), but America is as much an inheritor of that civilization as Europe and just as likely to be the source of the Antichrist.

Finally, after distorting the text and history to read what they want into the Bible, and thereby obtaining God's "blessing" on their hatred of the Catholic Church, some "Christians" ignore the only texts of Scripture which tells us about the religious leanings of the Antichrist. The Catholic faith being a religion you would think they would see what it teaches on the only criteria the Bible actually gives about the Antichrist. In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too).
THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST.

There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom.
John Paul II has written three great encyclical (circular) letters on the Trinity, one for each Divine Person, and he has without a doubt preached Jesus Christ to more people than any other person in human history. The Catholic Church does not have the spirit of the Antichrist but of God, since no one without the Spirit can say "Jesus is Lord" (1 Cor. 12:3), something the Church and Catholics always have done and continue to do!
 

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Does the Roman church follow the Bible? Nope...for example Jesus said "call no man on earth your Father, only the Father that is in Heaven" Rome not only calls their priests Father, but goes a big leap forward by calling their pope "Holy Father"...if that is not blasphemy, then nothing is!....many more examples...but research for yourself if you can!
 

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Does the Roman church follow the Bible? Nope...for example Jesus said "call no man on earth your Father, only the Father that is in Heaven" Rome not only calls their priests Father, but goes a big leap forward by calling their pope "Holy Father"...if that is not blasphemy, then nothing is!....many more examples...but research for yourself if you can!
I have "researched it myself" and I realize there is no reasoning with you, however, Scripture refers to "father Abraham" in Acts and "father Isaac" in Romans and in Job where he says he was a father to the poor. So as we can see even Scripture calls other men Father or they call themselves father. The idea that the Pope or the Catholic Church represents the Antichrist didn't become popular until after the reformation.

I have read that Nero, Hitler, Gorbachev, President Reagan and Obama was/is the Antichrist. In Scripture John said "....every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world" He also wrote, "....as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come."
So apparently the Antichrist was already in the world 2000 years ago?

I don't know who the Antichrist is. You don't know who the Antichrist is. No one knows who the Antichrist is. I would suggest it is ANYONE who is "Anti" Christ. All the current Christian Churches (Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist etc.) promote Christ so that doesn't seem Anti-Christ to me.

Every church accuses the other of not following the bible. Do any churches follow the bible? If so, in your opinion, which ONE is right?
 

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Does the Roman church follow the Bible? Nope...for example Jesus said "call no man on earth your Father, only the Father that is in Heaven" Rome not only calls their priests Father, but goes a big leap forward by calling their pope "Holy Father"...if that is not blasphemy, then nothing is!....many more examples...but research for yourself if you can!
Please use correct terminology. The real "Roman church" exists only as the local diocese of Rome. "Catholic Church" or "CC" is correct. The term encompasses all 23 Catholic rites that are all over the world, the largest being the Roman or Latin rite. The first written use of the term describing the CC goes back as far as 107 AD, and is inferred in Scripture.
The CC follows the Bible and knows what it means. The Bible was a development of 4 centuries of discernment, and made canon by the Pope in the 4th century. it did not fall from the sky in the KJV. Any serious bible student from any bible college knows this. Scripture was formed and preserved by Tradition that you probably despise so there are a lot of obstacles to overcome your prejudice.

What you mean by "research" is agreeing with your opinions. I doubt you are interested in the facts because you didn't arrive at this ridiculous conclusion on your own, you swallowed up some anti-Catholic hate literature and taken it as fact. That garbage will rot your mind.

Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants (WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING).

Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.

Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, "call no man father." But you use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests "father." This is an example of "eisegesis" (imposing one's views upon a passage) as opposed to "exegesis" (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father. THAT'S THE POINT.

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t you call your teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When you say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means "communicating one's nature," and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the "Father." We are fathers in the Father.

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called "fathers." Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don't you call their pastors "father?" Or are you your own pastor in a church of one?

1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, "I became your father in Christ Jesus." Either Paul is disobeying Jesus, or your interpretation stinks.

Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy's service to him as a son serves a "father."

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders' ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true "child" in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true "child" in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the "father" of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly "fathers." But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church "fathers."

1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church "children."

More about the Pope being properly called "Holy Father".
 

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The pagan based Roman religion, seems to thumb it's nose at the Holy Bible. For instance the ten commandments...the first commandment says "thou shall have no other God's before me"....yet the pope wants to be called "Holy Father", a name reserved for God Almighty, our Creator. Blasphemy..yes it is!...Second commandment "do not make any graven images, statues and bow down to them"...the Roman based global church (catholic means global) has statues all over the place, big ones and small ones, and people are expected to pray to these statues, and even kiss the feet of "jesus" statue...hmmmmm blasphemy yep....Third commandment, do not use the name of God in vain...well..the Roman based global (catholic) church does it all the time by cross referencing their "holy father" with the one true God of the universe..our Creator, God. Fourth Commandment, "remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy"...Rome decided many about 1700 years ago they did not like that commandment, so the pope decided to change it to the first day of the week which they called "sunday" in honour of their sungod followers, and origins...
It is obvious from this how pagan Rome, and it's church have tried to replace God, and Jesus with their own human deity, which of course is why the Bible refers to them in the derogatory manner it does in Revelation 17. This is also why this institution would qualify for the title of being an anti christ, beast power, and false prophet...
 

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heretoeternity said:
The pagan based Roman religion, seems to thumb it's nose at the Holy Bible. For instance the ten commandments...the first commandment says "thou shall have no other God's before me"....yet the pope wants to be called "Holy Father", a name reserved for God Almighty, our Creator. Blasphemy..yes it is!...Second commandment "do not make any graven images, statues and bow down to them"...the Roman based global church (catholic means global) has statues all over the place, big ones and small ones, and people are expected to pray to these statues, and even kiss the feet of "jesus" statue...hmmmmm blasphemy yep....Third commandment, do not use the name of God in vain...well..the Roman based global (catholic) church does it all the time by cross referencing their "holy father" with the one true God of the universe..our Creator, God. Fourth Commandment, "remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy"...Rome decided many about 1700 years ago they did not like that commandment, so the pope decided to change it to the first day of the week which they called "sunday" in honour of their sungod followers, and origins...
It is obvious from this how pagan Rome, and it's church have tried to replace God, and Jesus with their own human deity, which of course is why the Bible refers to them in the derogatory manner it does in Revelation 17. This is also why this institution would qualify for the title of being an anti christ, beast power, and false prophet...
Your eisegesis of "call no man father" was demolished so you jump all over the map with a list of more lies (I count 6). Sorry. I don't reply to such funnymentalist bigotry and cluster bombing. If you can't stick with one thing at a time, don't bother with your hateful ranting. The OP is "Papal New World Order" which I have exposed as a misleading fraud, using official Church documents. Apparently, you refuse even try to comprehend my posts thus you are ill-equipped to refute them. If you want to talk about
the ten commandments
"Holy Father"
graven images
the Sabbath
Sunday worship
sungod followers, and origins...
Revelation 17

And any of the usual hate cult obsessions, I would be happy to discuss them ONE AT A TIME some place else.
 

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Guess the truth does hurt you, as the old saying goes...so be it...Know the truth and it will make you free.....I would be happy to give you a personal Bible study on the real word of God, instead of the doctrines of man you have been subjected to in the pagan Roman global (catholic) church...let me know, when you have prayed to God, and opened up your mind to the truth..God bless you!
 
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@kepha31 I have read through some of your recent posts on a couple of threads, and clearly you are an educated and learned and staunch member of the Catholic Church...I respect your dedication and loyalty. The world today we would agree is in crisis. Poverty, family disintegration, war, race riots, crime, moral depravity, hatred, pornography...the list is endless of all the ugliness, the horror, the sadness and violence that seems to pervade the world we live in. And of course there are the environmental concerns. Even nature herself seems to be reacting to the corruption and sin that mankind has inflicted upon God's creation.
You directed me to one particular post which I did read, and I also read heretoenetrnity's response, to which you replied in summary as follows....
This is the truth of what the Pope meant by "global political authority". The existing authority we have must be based on moral order for the sake of the common good. Both encyclicals I posted are based on biblical precepts. Appointing some kind of dictator is contrary to Church teaching.

I agree with you that the much publicized aspirations and hopes of the current pope, (and his immediate predecessors) to bring about some form of social order to alleviate poverty, suffering, and to bring peace upon all nations, on the surface is a noble and moral goal to pursue. Who could argue with such an ambition? Who would dare remonstrance with the Pope on such good, sound, moral dreams and hopes for mankind? Are these Biblical hopes? Is it Biblical to care for the suffering, the poor, and the downtrodden? Certainly!

I have just finished watching a doco. on Haiti. Women are borrowing money to invest in the raw materials to make what they believe are nutritious 'cookies' to sell in the open market places. The raw material? Dirt. Brought in from the mountains, supposedly rich in minerals, these cookies are now a staple diet in many communities. They make the eaters ill, they cause tooth decay and constipation, and worse, and if it rains and the dirt turns to mud, the women end up in debt because their only source of income is ruined. And the rich of the world look on and do nothing. Yes, there are most certainly problems in all parts of the world, some worse than others.
The solution? I am sorry to say, not the bolded quote from above. That mindset is exactly what I and many others fear more than any other. "A moral global political authority for the sake of the common good" must of necessity have teeth; that is the power to implement certain regulations and laws which it deems appropriate to accomplish its goals. Kepha, it is a well known fact that you would be wasting your time in denying, that Jesuitism seeks global dominion on behalf of the Vatican. It is their stated aim in life to establish Roman Catholicism not just as a national religion, but a global religion, and it is not by the preaching of the gospel that this is to be accomplished, it is through political dominance. The Catholic Church is by nature a church/state union. This is a part of what heretoeternity refers to when he says it is a pagan religion. Pagan religions are by nature church/ state unions. And this is clearly depicted in the book of Revelation by the woman (the church) riding the beast (the state). The church has the reins and thus guides the state in the direction she desires. It is the church that promotes the laws, it is the church's perspective on morality and religion that is enacted by the state through its legislative assemblies. And it is the state 'beast' that supports the church 'woman' through its laws, and its power and authority to enforce them. This has been the hallmark of the pagan priesthood of nations throughout all ages. This was the hallmark of both the Catholic and Church of England ruling powers throughout many centuries. It is precisely this religious tyranny that the early settlers of the United States sought to escape from, and avoid from re-establishing by framing their constitution and bill of rights the way they did, ensuring freedom of conscience and religious liberty for all...including I might add, Catholics. However, complete freedom of religion was something even the founding fathers took time to learn Early Sunday 'blue' laws were enforced in those early communities, and fines, jail, and even scourging was threatened and imposed on dissenters. But they did eventually learn and understand the beauty of religious freedom.
A global moral political power will undo everything the American founders sought to establish. While morality in and of itself is not a bad thing, when it begins to impinge on our God given freedoms of worship, then it is a bad thing. In 1864, Pope Pius 1X said; "The state has not the right to leave every man free to embrace whatever religion he shall deem true...the church has the right to require that the Catholic religion shall be the only religion of the state to the exclusion of all others". This has been the practice of Rome since its beginnings with its takeover of the Roman political throne in the 4th and 5th centuries.She has never excluded the use of arms as an aid to her establishing Catholicism in her territories. Secular armies (starting with the Frank king Clovis) have frequently been called upon to curb dissent and encourage submission to papal power and authority. I could cite many many examples of this in he histories of Wales, England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy and other nations of Europe. And since the counter reformation, Jesuit influence in the halls of power have sought to continue this "fornication with the kings of the earth". George Washington said, "Every man who conducts himself as a good citizen is accountable alone to God for his religious faith, and should be protected in worshiping God according to the dictates of his conscience." This is the essence of first ammendment clause which prohibits the state from establishing religion. Benjamin Franklin once said, "When religion is good, it will take care of itself; when it is not able to take care of itself, and God does not see fit to take care of it, so that it has to appeal to the civil power for support, it is evidence to my mind that its cause is a bad one."

No doubt you will object to my inferences and ou will claim that the Vatican and the Pope has no intention of establishing the Catholic religion. That all she seeks to do is bring about 'social justice'. If you would do such a thing, I would respond with the fact that on many occasions, not just this current pope, but several of his predecessors also, have constantly sought to encourage Sunday sacredness in all nations in which she has a majority of support. These appeals were not promoted to the local church by way of reformation or holiness, but to the state powers to enforce through law! The "common good" has been the "common denominator" in these appeals. Today, Francis has linked several things to his promotion of Sunday. Family welfare, environmental concerns, work/life balance. All good and sound reasons for taking time out from the constant time consuming 'rat-race' of the modern world. But unfortunately, what you may not recognize, is that this directly impinges on the rights of conscience, it directly impacts how people relate to God in the devotional spiritual life, and it is a direct attack on the freedom of religion that is a God given gift and which the US constitution is sworn to protect. It is the impinging upon the right of those to worship who, how, and when their conscience deems appropriate, that is believed to be the "mark of he beast". The legislative demand upon all to honor Sunday, a Catholic Church invention in direct contravention to the 4th commandment of the Decalogue, is what I, and many others, fear will eventuate from Francis' appeals to the congress and the UN. We also believe this is a direct fulfilment of prophecy, as per Revelation 13.

And by the way, for the readers sake and which I am sure you are likely aware, the Catholic Church takes pride in her establishing of Sunday and boasts of the establishment of Sunday sacredness as a Christian fundamental as being a mark or sign of her authority in religious matters. Authority to which sadly most Protestant churches have yet to fully come out from under. Hence the cry in Revelation 18, "come out of her My people".

Oh, and also, the reference in John to the "antichrist" may be the only time the word 'antichrict' is used in scripture, but it is most assuredly not the only time that this power is mentioned. It comes under a number of different titles and names. The 'little horn' power of Daniel 7, the iron and clay feet of Daniel 2, the man of sin and son of perdition of Paul's epistles. The first leopard-like beast of Revelation 13. All together they provide a number of clear and incontrovertible clues as to the identity of the "Antichrist" of scripture. As to Johns reference as to the Antichrist being in denial of the Christ as coming in the flesh, this does in fact perfectly fit with the Catholic Church's doctrine re the immaculate conception of Mary...a claim that because Mary was without original sin, thus Jesus could live the perfect life. yet this is a denial of scripture, that says that Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin. He was born in the likeness of fallen Adam, sinful flesh. He was born however without the propensities to sin that we inherit, and most certainly did not sin on any occasion. He lived a perfect life, yes, not because he had a perfect mother, but because he lived in accordance to the OT mandate, the just shall live by his faith. Thus He is our example. Though we are born of sinful flesh as He was, we also can be born again of the Spirit to live a victorious life through faith in the power and grace of an all-powerful and merciful loving Savior.

Also, unlike your belief that the "future" antichrist comes as a heathen secular non-Christian power and attacks all things Christian with physical force, the Bible teaches different. The true Antichrist is against Christ, yes, but the means by which he opposes Christ is not by force, but by deception, and by replacing Christ in the minds and hearts of his followers. He replaces Christ with himself. He becomes the savior. He becomes the object of worship He becomes Christ's substitute. VICARIUS FILLEI DEI
 

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@kepha31 I have read through some of your recent posts on a couple of threads, and clearly you are an educated and learned and staunch member of the Catholic Church...I respect your dedication and loyalty. The world today we would agree is in crisis. Poverty, family disintegration, war, race riots, crime, moral depravity, hatred, pornography...the list is endless of all the ugliness, the horror, the sadness and violence that seems to pervade the world we live in. And of course there are the environmental concerns. Even nature herself seems to be reacting to the corruption and sin that mankind has inflicted upon God's creation.
You directed me to one particular post which I did read, and I also read heretoenetrnity's response, to which you replied in summary as follows....
This is the truth of what the Pope meant by "global political authority". The existing authority we have must be based on moral order for the sake of the common good. Both encyclicals I posted are based on biblical precepts. Appointing some kind of dictator is contrary to Church teaching.

I agree with you that the much publicized aspirations and hopes of the current pope, (and his immediate predecessors) to bring about some form of social order to alleviate poverty, suffering, and to bring peace upon all nations, on the surface is a noble and moral goal to pursue. Who could argue with such an ambition? Who would dare remonstrance with the Pope on such good, sound, moral dreams and hopes for mankind? Are these Biblical hopes? Is it Biblical to care for the suffering, the poor, and the downtrodden? Certainly!

I have just finished watching a doco. on Haiti. Women are borrowing money to invest in the raw materials to make what they believe are nutritious 'cookies' to sell in the open market places. The raw material? Dirt. Brought in from the mountains, supposedly rich in minerals, these cookies are now a staple diet in many communities. They make the eaters ill, they cause tooth decay and constipation, and worse, and if it rains and the dirt turns to mud, the women end up in debt because their only source of income is ruined. And the rich of the world look on and do nothing. Yes, there are most certainly problems in all parts of the world, some worse than others.
The solution? I am sorry to say, not the bolded quote from above. That mindset is exactly what I and many others fear more than any other. "A moral global political authority for the sake of the common good" must of necessity have teeth; that is the power to implement certain regulations and laws which it deems appropriate to accomplish its goals. Kepha, it is a well known fact that you would be wasting your time in denying, that Jesuitism seeks global dominion on behalf of the Vatican. It is their stated aim in life to establish Roman Catholicism not just as a national religion, but a global religion, and it is not by the preaching of the gospel that this is to be accomplished, it is through political dominance. The Catholic Church is by nature a church/state union. This is a part of what heretoeternity refers to when he says it is a pagan religion. Pagan religions are by nature church/ state unions. And this is clearly depicted in the book of Revelation by the woman (the church) riding the beast (the state). The church has the reins and thus guides the state in the direction she desires. It is the church that promotes the laws, it is the church's perspective on morality and religion that is enacted by the state through its legislative assemblies. And it is the state 'beast' that supports the church 'woman' through its laws, and its power and authority to enforce them. This has been the hallmark of the pagan priesthood of nations throughout all ages. This was the hallmark of both the Catholic and Church of England ruling powers throughout many centuries. It is precisely this religious tyranny that the early settlers of the United States sought to escape from, and avoid from re-establishing by framing their constitution and bill of rights the way they did, ensuring freedom of conscience and religious liberty for all...including I might add, Catholics. However, complete freedom of religion was something even the founding fathers took time to learn Early Sunday 'blue' laws were enforced in those early communities, and fines, jail, and even scourging was threatened and imposed on dissenters. But they did eventually learn and understand the beauty of religious freedom.
A global moral political power will undo everything the American founders sought to establish. While morality in and of itself is not a bad thing, when it begins to impinge on our God given freedoms of worship, then it is a bad thing. In 1864, Pope Pius 1X said; "The state has not the right to leave every man free to embrace whatever religion he shall deem true...the church has the right to require that the Catholic religion shall be the only religion of the state to the exclusion of all others". This has been the practice of Rome since its beginnings with its takeover of the Roman political throne in the 4th and 5th centuries.She has never excluded the use of arms as an aid to her establishing Catholicism in her territories. Secular armies (starting with the Frank king Clovis) have frequently been called upon to curb dissent and encourage submission to papal power and authority. I could cite many many examples of this in he histories of Wales, England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy and other nations of Europe. And since the counter reformation, Jesuit influence in the halls of power have sought to continue this "fornication with the kings of the earth". George Washington said, "Every man who conducts himself as a good citizen is accountable alone to God for his religious faith, and should be protected in worshiping God according to the dictates of his conscience." This is the essence of first ammendment clause which prohibits the state from establishing religion. Benjamin Franklin once said, "When religion is good, it will take care of itself; when it is not able to take care of itself, and God does not see fit to take care of it, so that it has to appeal to the civil power for support, it is evidence to my mind that its cause is a bad one."

No doubt you will object to my inferences and ou will claim that the Vatican and the Pope has no intention of establishing the Catholic religion. That all she seeks to do is bring about 'social justice'. If you would do such a thing, I would respond with the fact that on many occasions, not just this current pope, but several of his predecessors also, have constantly sought to encourage Sunday sacredness in all nations in which she has a majority of support. These appeals were not promoted to the local church by way of reformation or holiness, but to the state powers to enforce through law! The "common good" has been the "common denominator" in these appeals. Today, Francis has linked several things to his promotion of Sunday. Family welfare, environmental concerns, work/life balance. All good and sound reasons for taking time out from the constant time consuming 'rat-race' of the modern world. But unfortunately, what you may not recognize, is that this directly impinges on the rights of conscience, it directly impacts how people relate to God in the devotional spiritual life, and it is a direct attack on the freedom of religion that is a God given gift and which the US constitution is sworn to protect. It is the impinging upon the right of those to worship who, how, and when their conscience deems appropriate, that is believed to be the "mark of he beast". The legislative demand upon all to honor Sunday, a Catholic Church invention in direct contravention to the 4th commandment of the Decalogue, is what I, and many others, fear will eventuate from Francis' appeals to the congress and the UN. We also believe this is a direct fulfilment of prophecy, as per Revelation 13.

And by the way, for the readers sake and which I am sure you are likely aware, the Catholic Church takes pride in her establishing of Sunday and boasts of the establishment of Sunday sacredness as a Christian fundamental as being a mark or sign of her authority in religious matters. Authority to which sadly most Protestant churches have yet to fully come out from under. Hence the cry in Revelation 18, "come out of her My people".

Oh, and also, the reference in John to the "antichrist" may be the only time the word 'antichrict' is used in scripture, but it is most assuredly not the only time that this power is mentioned. It comes under a number of different titles and names. The 'little horn' power of Daniel 7, the iron and clay feet of Daniel 2, the man of sin and son of perdition of Paul's epistles. The first leopard-like beast of Revelation 13. All together they provide a number of clear and incontrovertible clues as to the identity of the "Antichrist" of scripture. As to Johns reference as to the Antichrist being in denial of the Christ as coming in the flesh, this does in fact perfectly fit with the Catholic Church's doctrine re the immaculate conception of Mary...a claim that because Mary was without original sin, thus Jesus could live the perfect life. yet this is a denial of scripture, that says that Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin. He was born in the likeness of fallen Adam, sinful flesh. He was born however without the propensities to sin that we inherit, and most certainly did not sin on any occasion. He lived a perfect life, yes, not because he had a perfect mother, but because he lived in accordance to the OT mandate, the just shall live by his faith. Thus He is our example. Though we are born of sinful flesh as He was, we also can be born again of the Spirit to live a victorious life through faith in the power and grace of an all-powerful and merciful loving Savior.

Also, unlike your belief that the "future" antichrist comes as a heathen secular non-Christian power and attacks all things Christian with physical force, the Bible teaches different. The true Antichrist is against Christ, yes, but the means by which he opposes Christ is not by force, but by deception, and by replacing Christ in the minds and hearts of his followers. He replaces Christ with himself. He becomes the savior. He becomes the object of worship He becomes Christ's substitute. VICARIUS FILLEI DEI
But there are problems with this. The first is that Vicarius Filii Dei, or "Vicar of the Son of God," is not now, nor has it ever been, a title of the bishop of Rome. The second problem is that virtually no one, including many unsuspecting lay Catholics, knows that this papal "title" is a fabrication. read more here

Your political dominance theory is insulting and has no origins in SDA eschatology. a little book by Allen Roesch called, The “New World Order” Part of Adventism? Quote from the SDA author:

In this book Roesch demonstrates three points that allowed me to reconcile the New World Order with Daniel 2. These three points are separated into three questions:

Who is warning us about the coming New World Order?

Who is not warning us about the coming New World Order?


Who else is not warning us about the coming New World Order?

The first question sets the stage. According to Roesch those warning us about the coming New World Order are, among others, Malachi Martin, Gary Kah, Don McAlvany, and Gary North. Malachi Martin is an Irish Catholic Priest and former Jesuit priest who exposed the New World Order agenda in his book The Keys of this Blood. Kah, Mclvany, and North have all been involved in political and economic circles and are all well known for their proliferation of the New World Order agenda. However, what is interesting is that not a single one of these gentlemen is a Seventh-day Adventist. Not a single one of them preaches, teaches, or even remotely believes in the same prophetic message that the Seventh-day Adventist church proclaims. Now there's nothing wrong with not being an Adventist. But what is interesting is that a message that I thought to be central to SDA eschatology does not originate in the SDA church at all. The following two questions clarify.

The second question, Who is not warning us about the coming New World Order? explores the writings of some of the most influential Adventist pioneers. These include James White (husband of Ellen White), Uriah Smith (Adventist historian), J.N. Loughborough, and Stephen Haskell. Roesch points out that the idea of the New World Order is not found in any of their writings. If this message were a central pillar of Adventist eschatology, why is it not found among the writings of some of Adventism’s most respected pioneers? The answer is: The New World Order is not a part of Adventism. It is a conspiracy theory that originated with men who have much different views than that of the SDA church. It is not, and has never been, a part of Adventist eschatology.
The third and final question, Who else is not warning us about the coming New World Order?is a section dealing with Ellen Whites views on the topic, particularly in her book The Great Controversy which deals primarily with end time events. Once again, Roesch points out that nowhere in Ellen Whites writings, including The Great Controversy, is there any mention whatsoever to a New World Order. The closest you will come to it is in Ellen Whites mention of the papacy striving for the political domination he once had. However, the papacy striving for this domination and the papacy establishing a NWO are two totally different things. The way I grew up it seemed as though this theme was the most important aspect of our message and one that demanded our utmost attention and careful study, however, it’s not found anywhere in the writings of Ellen White. How is it that the woman Adventists believe to be a prophet could write about last day events and never once mention something that is supposedly so central and urgent to our message? The answer is simple. It’s not central to our message. As a matter of fact it’s not even marginal to our message. Just like Y2K, which many Adventists (and other Christians for that matter) freaked out over, the coming New World Order has nothing at all to do with our end time message. If you want to find it you will have to look to guys like Malachi Martin and Gary North because you will not find it in Adventist theology anywhere.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT), a rabidly pro-abortion Catholic, has sent a letter to Pope Francis — signed by 93 of her House Democratic colleagues — urging him to focus on certain topics when he addresses Congress Sept. 24. And they are not content to have him speak in general terms about concerns like economic justice or the environment. They want him to advance specific items on their agenda, like paid sick leave, a higher minimum wage, and climate change. Nowhere, of course, do they express openness to what he might say on marriage, family or the sanctity of life. Indeed, if he addresses any of these issues from the House rostrum, be prepared to hear these same voices caterwauling about separation of church and state.
Speaking of which, Americans United for Separation of Church and State has already warned cities hosting the papal visit to respect church-state separation. But don’t expect them to rebuke DeLauro and company. Although this is not the first time she has sought to involve religious leaders in her political causes — she once urged Cardinal Timothy Dolan to mobilize the U.S. Bishops behind her anti-poverty agenda — she receives a 100 percent rating from Americans United. Why? Because their criteria primarily oppose religious voices exerting influence on public policies. No problem, apparently, for government officials to use their offices to try to influence religion or religious leaders.
Interestingly, there has been no similar correspondence to the pope from Congressional Republicans — so often accused, by political opponents as well as groups like Americans United, of trying to use religion to their political advantage.
Of course, if Rep. DeLauro were to have an epiphany, and urge the pope to defend the unborn and traditional marriage, she too would be condemned by Americans United. It’s not about party, and it’s certainly not about separation of church and state. It’s about which issues are being promoted. If you’re on the right side, in the view of DeLauro and company and groups like Americans United, then religious “intrusion” into government — or government intrusion into religion — is just fine.
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Some SDA's are so paranoid they think the Jesuits have infiltrated their church leadership. :D

HOLY SEE UNDER ATTACK AT U.N.
The International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) has announced that it is launching a massive campaign directed at undermining the Vatican’s role in the United Nations. The IPPF, which is headquartered in London, is urging “governmental, non-governmental and other institutions to endorse existing appeals for a review of the Vatican’s status with the United Nations.” To counter this move, the Catholic League is embarking on a project that will make public the anti-Catholic element in Planned Parenthood’s history...


...“Only an organization driven by fanaticism would think that the men, women and children in Yugoslavia who are being victimized by Slobodan Milosevic are in dire need of condoms. What these people need is precisely what Catholic Relief Services offers, namely food, clothing, shelter and medicinal supplies.
“Drunk with ideology, the IPPF now seeks to punish the Holy See by challenging the Vatican’s non-member state permanent observer status in the U.N...


http://www.catholicleague.org/holy-see-under-attack-at-u-n/

How can a non-member state with mere permanent observer status control the UN???

You are not being very honest, harping about 500 year old issues that no one cares about, unproven charges about the Jesuits, and avoiding what really matters. Your cult hates the Catholic Church for it's teaching on contraception and abortion because it doesn't line up with yours. The politics is a smoke screen.
 
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You are clearly well prepared. I have a question however. Not once did I cite any SDA source, nor did I post or quote any SDA theolgian, in presenting my post, so why bring up apparent discrepancies between what I write and traditional SDA theology and teaching? If my post, according to Roesch, doesn't reflect SDA thought, or is in essence not in line with SDA teachings, so what? Why would you, a Catholic, seek that as evidence that my post is therefore not worthy of consideration? Thus if my post does not reflect SDA teachings, why do you assume I am SDA?????
 

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brakelite said:
You are clearly well prepared. I have a question however. Not once did I cite any SDA source, nor did I post or quote any SDA theolgian, in presenting my post, so why bring up apparent discrepancies between what I write and traditional SDA theology and teaching?

Because SDA says the same thing you do.

If my post, according to Roesch, doesn't reflect SDA thought, or is in essence not in line with SDA teachings, so what? Why would you, a Catholic, seek that as evidence that my post is therefore not worthy of consideration?

If you are regurgitating SDA teachings, which you are, and if you cannot accept a rebuttal from an SDA author, then there would not be much point in posting a rebuttal from a Catholic one.

Thus if my post does not reflect SDA teachings, why do you assume I am SDA?????

Then come clean and tell me where you get your information, or book and author. Better still, tell me what church/community/group you identify with. Vicarius Filii Dei, Jesuit conspiracies, the obsession with Sunday worship (I prefer the Saturday 5:pM Mass), phony papal quotes, revisionist history, twisted interpretation of Rev. 18, If I picked your post apart line by line I would find more. These are the marks of an anti-Catholic post-reformist cult, and the SDA is a primary instigator of the usual hate speech, followed by the JW. If you associate with neither of these, then I apologize.
 
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Quote....Then come clean and tell me where you get your information, or book and author.

Allow me to start with this....

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction
The following is the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction given to high ranking Jesuits only. This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French, and published in New York in 1843.
"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:"
Superior:
My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.
You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.
You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.
You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---
The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:
"1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.
I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.
I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.
I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.
I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.
That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.
I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!
All of which, I, _, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."
(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)
Superior:
"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.
In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:
Question —From whither do you come? Answer — The Holy faith.
Q. —Whom do you serve?
A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.
Q. —Who commands you?
A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.
Q. —Who received you? A. —A venerable man in white hair.
Q. —How?
A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.
Q. —Did you take an oath?
A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.
Q. —Will you do that? A. —I will.
Q. —How do you travel? A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.
Q. —Whither do you travel? A. —To the four quarters of the globe. Q. —For what purpose?
A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.
Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."
 

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I asked you where you got your information so you give me this desperate doge?
The Jesuit Oath has been refuted time and time again. It's phony, a fabrication, a hoax. Please stop posting vast amounts of anti-Catholic hate speech, it's against the rules.

The Jesuit Oath Debunked a scholarly analysis

A condensed and easy to watch format:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iefm6E5FWWg

It's followed by another video that is full of lies, blaming the Church for a "New World Order" . You will love it.

Since you refuse to answer simple questions it shows you have no interest in discussion. I can't deprogram you in a forum, only God can heal such bigotry. Stop using me as a platform to preach your misinformation and lies. I commend you to the care of St. Ignora!
 

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The roman relgious cult they call "catholic" (which means global or universal)..has been a murderous organization over the centuries...even up into the latter part of the 20th century, in Ireland, with "roman catholics" at war and killing protestants, all under the name of "christianity" it is ironic the protestant daughters of the harlot rome (Rev 17) were the victims of Rome's murderous actions...these activities sure do not qualify as christian by any definition you want to use, but what do you expect from a pagan based counterfeit religion that is pagan based and does not follow the words of Jesus and God in the Bible...

Remember always, salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
The roman relgious cult they call "catholic" (which means global or universal)..has been a murderous organization over the centuries...even up into the latter part of the 20th century, in Ireland, with "roman catholics" at war and killing protestants, all under the name of "christianity" it is ironic the protestant daughters of the harlot rome (Rev 17) were the victims of Rome's murderous actions...these activities sure do not qualify as christian by any definition you want to use, but what do you expect from a pagan based counterfeit religion that is pagan based and does not follow the words of Jesus and God in the Bible...

Remember always, salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU WIN THE IGGY AWARD!

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Revelation is slowly being fulfilled, so time is short for the harlot Roman religious system and her daughters..they will have a time of glory, but it will be very short, before God lowers the boom on them...there is still time for you and anyone else to listen to God's warning in Revelation 18 to "come out of her", repent and follow the real God of the Bible, by following His word...He will be faithful to you if you are faithful to Him, and follow His word...and have the testimony of Jesus and follow God's commandments...Rev 12,14...
The pope, priests, pastors cannot save you...they have to work out their own salvation as mortal humans, with "fear and trembling"...if not they are one the wide path that leads to destruction, as Jesus said...

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.