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Part of Jew's "Bad Rap"

Discussion in 'Christian Spirituality Forum' started by Willie T, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Ever wonder how Jews got such a bad reputation among modern" Christians? This might explain part of it. This was the thought spoken from Protestant pulpits in the 1500's:

    “To demand or receive or even to lend expecting to receive something above the capital is to be guilty of usury; usury may exist on money or something else; one who receives usury is guilty of rapine and is just as culpable as a thief; the prohibition against usury holds for laymen as well as clerics but, when guilty, the latter will be more severely punished.”

    Yet while Christians were prohibited from lending money at interest, Jews were explicitly exempted from this ban. This exemption led to the emergence of the stereotype of the Jew as an avaricious moneylender, famously exemplified in Shakespeare’s Shylock in The Merchant of Venice.

    These views were not challenged in the first phase of Protestantism. Martin Luther regarded the biblical prohibition of usury as permanently binding. In his 1524 sermon on trade and usury, Luther lashed out at any attempt to charge interest. In his view, Christians “should willingly and gladly lend money without any charge.” The Elizabethan Protestant bishop John Jewel reflected the views of his age when he raged from his pulpit against the iniquities of usury. “It is theft, it is the murdering of our brethren, it is the curse of God and the curse of the people.” This uncompromising opposition to usury was embodied in a statute passed by the English Parliament in 1571, which had the unforeseen and unintended effect of legitimating usury at a fixed rate of 10 percent. (But, that's another story for another time.)
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    are you saying they should be challenged?
     
  3. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    From OP: "These views were not challenged in the first phase of Protestantism."
    I am saying those views were not challenged in the first phase of Protestantism. They obviously were challenged later on, or else charging usury would not be an accepted and common happening in today's Christian world. (I think it was 1830 before Catholics legitimized usury.)
     
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    i see we have even got the Muslims on board there now, via some technicality that apparently worked
     
  5. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Well, for the most part, much of the later advancement of Christianity would not have moved as swiftly if usury had not become an accepted part of Religious life. (Politics and Economics have always held hands with Religion.)
     
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    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    I think there are demons who are actively provoking hatred against Israel throughout the world.
     
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    Blueberry Active Member

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    Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess. Deu 23:19-20 NIV

    Little doubt Gentile people who had to pay interest felt this was discriminatory.
     
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    you mean the country, right?
     
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  9. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Now, that is odd.
    We call "Prosperity Preachers" all sorts of names because they say God wants us to do well in the area of finances. Yet, at the same time, we say that God is blessing Jews because they do well in the area of finances.
     
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    we apparently have a...weird division in Christianity, that i am only vaguely aware of; this thread is about Christians perceiving Jews poorly right, but i observe many Christians on the far end of the bell curve, they even like idolize Jews, or at least Israel the country, etc? i have only ever heard or read of Christians who perceive Jews poorly, hmm
     
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    This was a MISREPRESENTATION of the law of usury. Israelites were forbidden to charge interest on their loans to their brethren Israelites, but there was no sin in charging interest otherwise. Indeed the parable of the talents confirms this.

    DEUTERONOMY 23
    19 Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

    20 Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
     
  12. Reggie Belafonte

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    Look at the history of the Jews from 2000 years ago to now, they were kicked out of every country eventually because of there Satanic way that they dealt with the host nations that accepted them in, the Jew always led the host astray and undermined them, the reason for this is that the Jew believes that they must treat all Goyim (Niggers) or Slaves or their Cattle as they call all other peoples, such people are to be treated not as equals in fact by the Jews because they see you as not worthy of being humans. go read the Talmud and you will get a huge shock, but most are to stupid to bother to even look because they are totally ignorant.
    Most people have been led to believe that the Jews are a Race, fact is they are only a religion, a religion that was taken over by the Talmud whore they are like the Golden Calf Mob, they are not true Jews as in the Light of Israel or of Holy Moses at all, now some are still true Jews but that's not many it's under 10% of them claiming to be Jews and it's this Jewish people who are dedicated to the OT and worthy of being called true Jews who truly believes in God but the rest are of Satan.
    Don't be surprised because most claiming to be Christians are not in fact as Jesus Christ says narrow is the gate and that many will say lord lord, but he says that he never knew them.

    So we have most of all that are not worthy of the claim of being truly Jewish or Christians in fact.

    Just like any Satanic grub all they are is parasites that leach of others or try to scrabble to the top of the heap hook or by crook, I have seen this type from 1973 to now in my working trade all the time and seen it with my dad copping it before that with all the cunning devious bastards that try every trick in the book to destroy you and my mum said only last week about with her dad it was the same, that people in business would try every trick that they could to undermine another, why do you think that we had to have Unions.

    Look at the Banks or any Government they are totally clean and honest as well, are they not, well they are much much cleaner than the Building trade for sure, but behind Government and Banks is a great con job going on, that most of the people are totally oblivious about. even Political Leaders get killed if they take that Mob on.

    Satanist have got control of the Governments and the Banks and the Churches nowadays and their power is massive and the Talmud Zionist have the power now to control it all with their bag of tricks to delude all the poor fools who swallow it all, it's about destroying people body and soul, they use Political Correctness, this is a powerful tool that most do not truly understand what it truly is in fact, this was the tool that enslaved the Russian People under Communism and Germany under Nazis, without such a tool these bastards would never of had such power over the People, no one can stand up to Political Correctness or you will be attacked totally by such Satanist dictating grubs.

    It's not about Jews truly at all but just people led by Satan (the one who leads the whole world astray) and the true Jews of the OT know this is a fact just as the true Christians know it. we are not fighting against flesh and blood but principalities and powers. the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
    The Jews were led astray and now Christians are being led astray now for false directions all around, Gay worship, so called Jew worship you name it, Sodom is elevated and the people are oblivious to it all. but true devout Jews and true devout Christians know this is a fact and have been always warning about such.
    I know Jews who are in total agreement with me, but they just do not believe in Jesus being the Christ.
     
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    Reggie Belafonte Active Member

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    There is no charging interest in true Christianity. the inflation rate is Zero and the interest is zero.
    All such workings is the work of Satan.

    A Christian does not work to undermine a fellow Human regardless of who they are.

    But a Jew looks down on all and only totally despises such who he can undermine, I have seen it full on, they truly fully despise all who they can rip off and just thinks that such people are not worthy and like dogs sub human not worthy of. they are letter of the Law people, humanity or compassion does not compute, they have not Grace within them.
     
  14. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Interesting.
     
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    Reasonable interest on a loan is the legitimate cost of obtaining a loan, as well as legitimate profit for the lender, whether the lender is a Christian or not.

    Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. [interest] (Mt 25:27)

    According to Lord, interest was legal and legitimate. But f
    or Israel under the Old Covenant, there would be no interest when the lender was a Jew, and the borrower was a Jew.
     
  16. CoreIssue

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    Usury Today means excessive or criminal interest rates.

    It is illegal today.

    How many people are misled by the archaic language when they read that?

    27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
     
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    I am using the term as used in the Bible. It is not equivalent to gouging.
    תַשִּׁ֑יךְ (ta·shich) = interest
    Strong's Concordance
    nashak: to pay or give interest
    Transliteration: nashak
    Definition: to pay or give interest

    That interest (translated *usury* in the KJV) is perfectly legal and legitimate is stated here (Deut 23:20)

    English Standard Version
    You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
    King James Bible
    Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

    I am not trying to defend any unethical actions by Jews (which are also common to Gentiles so ethnicity has nothing to do with this). We just need to understand that God recognizes reasonable interest on loans are legitimate.
     
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    I know exactly what you were doing and I do not criticize you. I fully understand the biblical stance on charging interest. But I also understand using the word without explanation today totally misleading for most people.

    The Bible makes it very clear overcharging people is wrong.

    So that confuses people. In their understanding of usury they see it being called okay in one place and wrong in another.

    So my point is this is another example of the KJV archaic English being needlessly confusing today.

    There's no way you can escape that truth.
     
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