Partakers of His Sufferings and Glory (Rom 8:17)

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It’s just the “old man” (Adamic-sin nature), so don’t let it trouble you (Jn 14:1, 27; Phl 4:6)! Yes, if at times you seem to be bothered, even in a somewhat significant degree and it appears that you are uncertain as to the direct cause of it, just remember that it can always be traced back to the “old man”! You may notice that there doesn’t have to be an apparent problem or difficulty on which you can put your finger, but the feeling that something is not right seems unmistakable.

The saint’s suspicion is valid here, because yes, “there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark”!—it’s the “old man,” and maturing believers, more all the time, notice its workings and presence. Of the three enemies—self, Satan and society, old self, being the closest, is used the most towards causing us to exercise our faith in Christ’s expiation for our sin nature (sins are just evidence of the source, which is the accountable part). You can be encouraged to know, and always remember at times like this, that this response is used by God to exercise our faith for our “good,” by entrusting all to Him at all times, knowing that all is used for your goodness (Ro 8:28; 1Pe 5:7)!
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Partakers of His Sufferings and Glory (Rom 8:17)

It is only as we enter into the Lord Jesus’ sufferings here that we desire, apprehend or are prepared for His glory. Everything connected with the old man is contrary to Him, for on account of it He died. If I would enter into the Lord Jesus’ glory I must of necessity die (avoid being too moved by worldliness—NC) to all here which is contrary to Him. His life leads me into His glory, and if it does, it also puts me into the sense of moral death with regard to everything against it.

So that in proportion as I am able to walk here in His sufferings, in the power of His life, the more I am enabled to apprehend and am prepared for His glory. Wherever or howsoever I am enjoying anything contrary to Him so far, I will debar myself from desiring or apprehending His glory.

If I find everything here as antagonistic as He felt it, the glory is my resource, and as I feel I am a co-sufferer with Him, I am also to be so-crucified with Him; and this light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us in surpassing measure an eternal weight of glory (2Co 4:17)!

The beauty and brightness of “the glory of God in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ” (2Co 4:6) does not move those who are not suffering with Him, and this explains why many who feel their need of Him, have very feeble desires or apprehension of His glory. If I am enjoying what the Lord Jesus cannot enjoy, how can I truly enjoy what He enjoys? Therefore the school for the glory is suffering (enduring—NC) with Him—there I must matriculate, there I must graduate.

It is only as I take my “cross daily” (Luk 9:23 - e.g. enduring trials of the “old man, the Enemy and the worldly—NC) and follow Him that I can either desire or be prepared to ascend with Him the holy mount. Hence it is that death comes on us in many ways. “For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh” (2Co 4:11). It is not the same process for all, but following Him will always disclose the nature of death that each of us has to go through.

Death is surrendering that in which I should like to live (e.g. without trials—NC), and in which I could live humanly; but as I abide in Him above I find that I must surrender it, and as I die to it accompanying Him I find my soul enlarged in desires, in apprehension and in preparation for His glory. I feel that what I have to die to is against Him, but the glory where He is, is the joy and resource of my heart.

When Moses felt the rebellion and hopelessness of Israel, his heart looked out for something beyond anything connected with man; his prayer was: “Show me Thy glory” (Exo 33:18). When Stephen reached the confines of testimony to Israel as a nation, the glory was presented to him as his home (Act 7:55, 56)!
How blessed! So with Paul in the prison at Rome and John on the island of Patmos. As each was partaker of the Lord Jesus’ sufferings he rejoiced “that, when His glory shall be revealed they shall be glad with exceeding joy” (1Pe 4:13).

It is as we by faith (apart from physical sensing—NC) apprehend where His grace has set us, that the more we ascend, and the more power we have to descend (endure here—NC). The more we are enriched and captivated with His things, the more we will be loosed from earthly attractions, and so be of the heavenly color, expressive of our heavenly taste—increasing in the high and spiritual things, while correspondingly relinquishing, or, dying to the natural or earthly things.

— James Butler Stoney (1814-1897)





MJS online devotional excerpt for May 12

“The Father chooses the servant who is suited to carry out His will; but though that servant be endowed by Him with power to do so, yet unless he be controlled and disciplined by the Spirit of God he will continually fall into the devisings of his nature, no matter how godly and divine may be his intent. For we greatly err if we think that having the divine thought is all that is necessary as to our service; we must truly and efficiently be expressive of the thought; and this subjects us, as servants of God, to discipline which we often cannot understand.

“Discipline for known faults or shortcomings we can easily comprehend; but when it is that peculiar order of training which fits a man to be God’s instrument and witness, we can no more understand it than the plants of the earth can understand why they must pass through all the vicissitudes of winter in order to bring forth a more abundant harvest.”
-J.B.S.
None But The Hungry Heart
 
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It’s just the “old man” (Adamic-sin nature), so don’t let it trouble you (Jn 14:1, 27; Phl 4:6)! Yes, if at times you seem to be bothered, even in a somewhat significant degree and it appears that you are uncertain as to the direct cause of it, just remember that it can always be traced back to the “old man”! You may notice that there doesn’t have to be an apparent problem or difficulty on which you can put your finger, but the feeling that something is not right seems unmistakable.

Good article. This is a matter of revelation, and is an incredibly important thing to see. As we depart from our home in this world, we transition to the life of the Spirit. We have to become astute at recognizing where we align with God's word and where we depart from it. In this process we recognize how imperfect we are, constantly falling short of the ideal that God's word presents us with.

Someone explained how when we enter into the tabernacle of God's presence we learn not to live by the sun and the moon, but rather, on the light from the candelabra of God's word. What seems right in this world is not always right to God. The more God speaks to us the more we recognize how far we fall short of His glory. But it is that very glory that calls us on, closer to Him. How wonderful is His love and grace!
 
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It’s just the “old man” (Adamic-sin nature), so don’t let it trouble you (Jn 14:1, 27; Phl 4:6)! Yes, if at times you seem to be bothered, even in a somewhat significant degree and it appears that you are uncertain as to the direct cause of it, just remember that it can always be traced back to the “old man”! You may notice that there doesn’t have to be an apparent problem or difficulty on which you can put your finger, but the feeling that something is not right seems unmistakable.

The saint’s suspicion is valid here, because yes, “there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark”!—it’s the “old man,” and maturing believers, more all the time, notice its workings and presence. Of the three enemies—self, Satan and society, old self, being the closest, is used the most towards causing us to exercise our faith in Christ’s expiation for our sin nature (sins are just evidence of the source, which is the accountable part). You can be encouraged to know, and always remember at times like this, that this response is used by God to exercise our faith for our “good,” by entrusting all to Him at all times, knowing that all is used for your goodness (Ro 8:28; 1Pe 5:7)!
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That's a good reminder for this morning!!

Thank you!

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The more God speaks to us the more we recognize how far we fall short of His glory. But it is that very glory that calls us on, closer to Him. How wonderful is His love and grace!
Hi! Like and appreciate your comments! Yes, and we will continue to fall short here, of the glory that shall be revealed, which is now in us (Jhn 17:22), and which will be more clearly seen at His appearing. The believer "shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand" (Rom 14:4).

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The more we are enriched and captivated with His things, the more we will be loosed from earthly attractions, and so be of the heavenly color, expressive of our heavenly taste—increasing in the high and spiritual things, while correspondingly relinquishing, or, dying to the natural or earthly things.

Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in His wonderful face
And the things of earth
Will grow strangly dim
In the light of His glory and grace!
 

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Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in His wonderful face
And the things of earth
Will grow strangly dim
In the light of His glory and grace!
Amen, and thanks. Like that song in church a lot. What we have in Christ now is what we'll have latter; it will just be uninhibited and much more full of glory without the "old man."
 
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Suffering Necessary part of Salvation!

Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

He is our model in everything!

Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
 

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Suffering Necessary part of Salvation!

Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

He is our model in everything!

Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Hi, and appreciate the nice list of applicable passages. Good Word and God bless!