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  1. Yes, you will not surely die.

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  2. No, thou shalt not!

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  1. HARK!

    HARK! Active Member

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    Acts 10
    CLV(i) 9 Now, on the morrow, as they are journeying and drawing near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray about the sixth hour of the day." 10 Now he became ravenous and wanted to taste food. Now, while they are preparing it, an ecstasy came on him,

    Looks like Peter's buddies were preparing a nice, Torah observant, healthy meal.


    11 and he is beholding heaven open and a certain utensil descending, as a large sheet, with four edges, being let down on the earth, 12 in which belonged all the quadrupeds and reptiles of the earth and the flying creatures of heaven. 13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter! Sacrifice and eat!" 14 Yet Peter said, "Far be it from me, Lord, for I never ate anything contaminating and unclean!"

    Peter says NO!

    15 And again, a second time, a voice came to him, "What God cleanses, do not you count contaminating!"

    Is YHWH going against his own word here? Should we trust voices that tell us to break YHWH's law? Peter isn't dining.

    16 Now this occurred thrice,

    Still not dining.

    and straightway the utensil was taken up into heaven."

    There goes the picnic blanket. No treyf for Peter.


    17 Now, as Peter was bewildered in himself as to what the vision which he perceived should be, lo!

    Bewildered you say? Why not go breaking YHWH's commandments every time a voice pops into your head, instead of taking the time to process it?

    the men who have been dispatched by Cornelius, asking the way through to the house of Simon, stand by at the portal." 18 And, shouting, they inquired to ascertain if Simon, surnamed Peter, is lodging in this place." 19 Now, as Peter is engrossed, concerned with the vision, the spirit said to him, "Lo! three men are seeking you!"

    Oh lookey here! Three men show up right after Peter rejects the unclean three times! Are the bringing him delivery from the Hungry Heathen? I hear their Heathen Fried Ham Hocks are to die for.



    20 But, rising, descend and go with them, nothing doubting, for I have commissioned them."

    Rats! Nothing doing. Peter still hasn't eaten. A little rat jerky for the road would have been nice until they get to the Heathen banquet. I wonder if it will be a pig roast.



    21 Now Peter, descending to the men, said, "Lo! I am he whom you are seeking. What is the cause for which you are present? 22 Now they say, "Cornelius, a centurion, a man just (Law abiding) and God-fearing, (obedient) besides being attested by the whole nation of the Jews, is apprized by a holy (dedicated) messenger to send after you to come into his house, and to hear declarations from you."

    I wonder if there will be any food there. Still no mention of where YHWH forces Peter to eat treyf.

    23 Calling them in, then, he lodges them. Now on the morrow, on rising,

    Still no food? Peter was ravenous the day before! What could be more important than a PorkFat McMuffin right now?


    he came away together with them, and some of the brethren from Joppa came with him." 24 Now on the morrow he entered into Caesarea. Now Cornelius was hoping for them, calling together his relatives and intimate friends."

    Traveling; and still no treyf!?


    25 Now as Peter came to enter, Cornelius, meeting with him, falling at his feet, worships." 26 Yet Peter raises him, saying, "Rise! I myself also am a man." 27 And, conversing with him, he entered, and is finding many come together." 28 Besides, he averred to them, "You are versed in the fact how illicit it is for a man who is a Jew to join or come to another tribe, and God shows me not to say that any man is contaminating or unclean."

    Oh! So YHWH was talking about men, not food. There is no such law in the Torah. That law comes from the Talmud. Yahshua rebuked placing the Talmud over the Torah.

    Maybe there's still hope. Maybe YHWH is calling Peter to eat the Heathens. I hear they taste just like pork. By now Peter must be very hungry.


    29 Wherefore, without gainsaying, also, being sent after, I came. I am inquiring to ascertain, then, on what account you send after me." 30 And Cornelius averred, "Four days ago unto this hour was I fasting, and at the ninth, praying in my house, and lo! a man stood before me in splendid attire, 31 and is averring, 'Cornelius, your prayer is hearkened to, and your alms are brought to remembrance in God's sight." 32 Send, then, into Joppa, and call for Simon, who is surnamed Peter. He is lodging in the house of Simon, a tanner, beside the sea.'" 33 Forthwith, then I send to you. Besides you do ideally in coming along. Now, then, we are all present in God's sight to hear all that you have been bidden by the Lord." 34 Now Peter, opening his mouth, said, "Of a truth I am grasping that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation he who is fearing Him and acting righteously is acceptable to Him. 36 Of the word He dispatches to the sons of Israel, bringing the evangel of peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all), 37 you are aware, the declaration coming to be down the whole of Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism which John heralds:" 38 Jesus from Nazareth, as God anoints Him with holy spirit and power, Who passed through as a benefactor and healer of all those who are tyrannized over by the Adversary, for God was with Him." 39 And we are witnesses of all that He does, both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem; Whom they assassinate also, hanging Him on a pole." 40 This One God rouses the third day, and gives Him to become disclosed, 41 not to the entire people, but to witnesses who have been selected before by God, to us who ate and drank together with Him after His rising from among the dead." 42 And He charges us to herald to the people and to certify that this One is He Who is specified by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43 To this One are all the prophets testifying: Everyone who is believing in Him is to obtain the pardon of sins through His name." 44 While Peter is still speaking these declarations, the holy spirit falls on all those hearing the word." 45 And amazed were the believers of the Circumcision, whoever come together with Peter, seeing that on the nations also the gratuity of the holy spirit has been poured out." 46 For they heard them speaking in languages and magnifying God. 47 Then Peter answered, "There can not be anyone to forbid water, so that these are not to be baptized, who obtained the holy spirit even as we." 48 Now he bids them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they ask him to stay some days.

    Nope, no heathen banquet in any way shape or form. This was all about bringing the Pagans out of Paganism, and into Israel. It was not about taking Israel out of YHWH's Torah, and bringing Israel into Paganism.
     
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    Here is what Paul says early on in his letter to the Romans:

    (CLV) Ro 3:31
    Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

    The Torah says no treyf

    Here is what Paul says in his first letter to the Corinthians:

    (CLV) 1Co 11:1
    Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

    Messiah didn't eat treyf.
     
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    Your ignorance and shallowness is not only revealed in your childish attitude, but without exception, in your exegesis also. How you isolated the verses, completely taking them out of context from the over-arching principle and wisdom, that was attempted to be conveyed.
    Your profile say 'Christian', but you are just absolutely oblivious to the Gospel of Christ.

    Hebrews 10:1-4
    10:1. For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. 2. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? 3. But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. 4. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

    Hebrews 11:1-2
    11:1. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2. For by it the men of old gained approval.

    Galatians 3:5-14
    3:5. So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6. Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7. Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8. The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9. So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. 10. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM." 11. Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." 12. However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM." 13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"-- 14. in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
     
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    I presented nearly the entire chapter.
     
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    Yes, and 1 chapter out of 28 chapters, out of 27 Books, sums up the entire message of the New Testament, of which you are trying to do?
    Especially, when this particular chapter focuses on one story only?
    I repeat, you are beyond incompetent!
     
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    Nope. Just going over this passage.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    See 1 Timothy 4:1-6.

    1Ti 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
    1Ti 4:2, Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
    1Ti 4:3, Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
    1Ti 4:4, For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
    1Ti 4:5, For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
    1Ti 4:6, If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
     
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    I'm well familiar with that passage. Treyf still isn't food. YHWH defined food for us.
     
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    Define treyf.
     
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    Stuff that YHWH told us is not fit for human consumption.
     
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    All creatures created by God were intended for human consumption, Genesis 9:3.
     
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    Why would you want to eat insects?

    את כל יִהְיֶה לְאָכְלָה כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם כָּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם

    רֶמֶשׂ

    insect, bug

    Modern Hebrew Dictionary Online Translation LEXILOGOS

    I could understand if it was right after a flood and there was little else to eat.
     
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    John the Baptist ate insects.

    Also, certain Gentile cultures have insects as a part of their diet. They cook them and season them, of course.

    While if I were a missionary to one of these cultures, I would not insult them by refusing to eat the food that they set before me.
     
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    Well YHWH did give Noah insects for food; but swine aren't insects.
     
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    The Holy Spirit pretty much SLAM DUNKS your objections through the pen of Paul:

    Col. 2:13-17

    And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

    He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a SHADOW of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.



    The Apostles reiterate this at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:
    Acts 15:23-29

    With them they sent the following letter:
    The apostles and elders, your brothers,
    To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
    Greetings.

    We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

    Farewell.


    Christ FULFILLED the Law and ALL of its legal demands (Matt. 5:17).
     
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    Gen 9:3, Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
     
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    You do understand that Paul continued to keep YHWH's Moedim and teach his disciples to do so long after Yahshua's ascension; No?

    He was telling new converts from Paganism. not to let their Pagan friends and family judge them as they kept YHWH's Moedim. I've gone through the same thing myself. The pork peddlers are the pushiest.
     
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    Let me break it down for you another way.

    את כל יִהְיֶה לְאָכְלָה כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם כָּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם

    to you
    He lives
    which
    insect
    all
    to you
    I gave
    grass
    A vegetable
    For eating
    will be
    all

    I translated each Hebrew word for you.

    You can check the definitions here:

    Modern Hebrew Dictionary Online Translation LEXILOGOS
     
  20. Angelina

    Angelina Prayer Warrior Staff Member Admin

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    I really am not sure what you are trying to prove here. We do not follow the Torah, we are Gentile believers saved by grace through faith. The Torah was for the children of Israel who followed the law of Moses. The law of Moses is the Law of sin and death. Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice on their behalf and also our behalf. The difference between Israel of the O/T and us is that law was given to Israel in the wilderness. It became part of their customs, norms and culture. Something that we gentile believers were not involved in. Our part came in when we became aware that Jesus died on the cross for all who believe in him by grace through faith.
     
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