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Please help my head to not explode

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by stunnedbygrace, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. stunnedbygrace

    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    Don't tell me to go look it up because I don't have the intelligence to understand when I did that.

    What is a "dialectic"? And if you just go look it up like I did and then try to give me the same definitions I just read, that won't help me.

    I need someone who understands it to give me examples, not definitions. What are some examples of a "dialectic." EXAMPLES- not definitions. Please.
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    I could be wrong, but it looks like a fancy word for "compromise."
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Isn't there an "Unlike" for when you haven't first liked?

    I mean, really!

    :rolleyes:
     
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    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    Nevermind though you said dialect.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha!! Lol at iforest! Haha!!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I promise an answer 1" deep, because that's as far as I can go. And if anyone wishes to correct this, please do!

    A dialectic is a method of processing information.

    Common Hegelian Dialectic:

    Thesis:
    Everyone who reads the Bible is a Christian.
    Is this true?

    Antithesis:
    I know someone who reads the Bible who isn't a Christian.
    Contrary information.

    Synthesis:
    Some, but not all people who read the Bible are Christian.

    This can stop here, or become the new Thesis, each part adding a new fact to the overall truth. We look at each information in light of new information, accepting, rejecting, and incorporating the results in a growing body of knowledge containing each of those parts. This is a method of examination of knowledge, and if that knowledge is substantiated or negated by other knowledge.


    @bbyrd's Naive Dialectic, If I'm understanding rightly:

    Thesis:
    Everyone who reads the Bible is a Christian.

    Thesis:
    No one who reads the Bible is a Christian.

    Transcendence:
    There is Christian in everyone who reads Bible (or whatever may actually result)

    Information is seen to be incomplete, and contrary, to be harmonized, maintaining each part's distinction, into a growing range of truth. Information is added and absorbed, each piece losing it's own significance in favor of a greater whole. Whether this is true or that is true is not the goal, rather to understand how this and that are both true, thus able to contextualize any event or idea. (I'm winging it here, be merciful!)

    Much love!
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    You should have left it. That's funny. :D:p
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    ME be merciful?? YOU are the one who's been merciful to me!

    Especially the last part, but all of that helped me. Thanks!
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Here's the best way to understand it.
    1. You say something.
    2. I contradict you.
    3. Then you contradict me.
    4. And round and round we go around the mulberry bush.

    "Any systematic reasoning, exposition or argument that juxtaposes opposed or contradictory ideas and usually seeks to resolve their conflict: a method of examining and discussing opposing ideas in order to find the truth".

    Philosophers assume they can arrive at the truth through this, but they never do. It is all baloney. So if someone comes along and offers you a dialectical lollipop, just say "No thanks" and move on.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    You're not the one I had in mind . . . Still waiting for others to chime in.

    Much love!
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    Actually, given marks explanation, its kind of how I see the bible...and how people argue. They don't ever seem to come to synthesis, but I do.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    Example:
    Whatever you ask for in my name, I will do it.

    You ask and don't receive because you ask with the wrong motives.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    So I say I do come to synthesis. But the people who argue verses against each other don't. Because they refuse some of the information.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    "Fundamentalistic Christianese" is a good example of a dialectic. And so is "hood slang", or "Valley Girl" language. A particular group's speech reflects their cohesive thinking and esoteric oneness though they may be in disagreement on specifics.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    A good word well spoken!

    Much love!
     
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    A dialect is not slang...
    And it's not an accent...for instance, Americans have a different accent than the English. Northern US Americans have a different accent than Southern US Americans.

    A dialect develops because a town is separated from the rest of society.
    Persons there don't go to school.
    They make up their own words for things...these words could sound like the national language or they could be totally different.

    As the generations pass, some of the dialect is lost.
    As the society progresses and children start going to school where the national language is spoken,,,we again see a loss in the language of the dialect.

    It gets to a point where the dialect is almost extinct because the town has absorbed into the national culture and language.

    You want examples?

    About 100 years ago the word for Wednesday was: mezzeteme'
    because it's the middle of the week,,,and mezze means middle.

    Today to say Wednesday the word is: Mercole'de

    To say pocket the word is: Tasca
    In dialect it's: ghdioffa

    The above is for my dialect from a little town that started with about 1,200 persons and is today down to about 400, and dwindling. The big city calls...
    comforts call...schools, stores, etc.

    Every little town has its own dialect if it's a certain distance from the center where Italian is spoken. I'd say about 15 miles or further.

    There's a town about 3 or 4 miles from my hometown.
    They speak a different dialect. This is common.

    In Northwestern Italy (near France) the dialects sound french.
    In Northeastern Italy, not only do the dialects sound german,,,but they speak German.

    This is all I can think of.
    I speak both Italian and my dialect.

    OH MY GOSH...
    You said dialectic!!
    Well, I'm not deleting all of that!
    Take it or leave it...
    :)

    (I thought it was a strange question)
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    @Iforest...did you see that...? Look what you started. Hahaha!! :D
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    GG HAHAHA!! Iforest did the same thing!
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    I just went back and saw it.

    YOU'RE going to make OUR heads explode!
    Night.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Don't tell me this is contagious!! G'nite y'all!

    :eek:
     
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