Predestination Freewill Vs Forcing Vs Bada'

[Yusef]

Hi,
Sunni Muslims and other religions condemn Shi'a-Islam for Bada'
And say: with Bada' you say god is ignorant and sometimes will be remorseful and his hands is closed!

Well,
Around the concept of Predestination we have 2 theories

• 1. Jabr[Forcing]: that here God ForceS everyone and timeline of all the creatures was been written by God before their creating.
• 2. Ikhtiyar[Free Will]: that here God just CreatED the creatures and Has Taken them on an absolute Freewill.

But Shi'a has the 3rd choice means Bada'

Well,
What the Bada' is
Bada' means an Event/happening is foretold/Predicted/Prophesied from

• God/Prophets/Messengers or
• Magicians/Jinns/Devils/Saints/Spirituals or
• Dreams/Visions

Then it wont be done!! because of your own/others':

• Deeds,
• Behaviors,
• Worshipping,
• Prayers,
• Changing,
• Turning,
• Upgrading...

It's one the most important things that I looked at beliefs of Shi'a versus any other beliefs!

Question for Debating

• What is view point of your beliefs about that!?
• Whether this is Justly/Fairly or not, and why/how!?

 

[Yusef]

How does predestination work in your belief?

Edited reason: adding a link to explain the more

 

[Windmillcharge]

Around the concept of Predestination we have 2 theories

God is Sovereign and he has chosen those who will follow him, so it follows that he has chosen those who will reject him.

Because he is Sovereign he also has chosen how people come to him and that is never by force.
He gently leads people to him.
Read what Jesus says in John Ch 10 from verse 27 onwards, about people hearing his voice and following him.

 

[Yusef]

God is Sovereign and he has chosen those who will follow him, so it follows that he has chosen those who will reject him.

Because he is Sovereign he also has chosen how people come to him and that is never by force.
He gently leads people to him.
Read what Jesus says in John Ch 10 from verse 27 onwards, about people hearing his voice and following him.

1. Where is your source?
2. How does your source against my sources? Which parts?
3. Write your sources here

It's another part of my source in the same forum:
Revelation of the saint Yuhanna[pbuh]

 

[Windmillcharge]

Where is your source?

I quoted from the only reliable source. The bible.
John 10:27 onwards.