Predestined to be saved or lost?

[07-07-07]

It's God's desire that we turn from our sins and not perish in hell.

New Testament
2 Peter 3
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Old Testament
Ezekiel 33
[11] Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

[Behold]

spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,”

Calvin was a devout heretic who Twisted the Cross into his own heresy.

Why did he do that?

its because Calvin could not comprehend that God knowing everything before it happens...>"FOREKNOWLEDGE".... is not the same as God causing everything to Happen.

Calvin defines "God knowing what is going to occur before it happens" as "God pre-determined it to occur".

“Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,

The Key here is ...."chosen us IN HIM">

As that is how we are REDEEMED......so, "chosen" means. "Accepted". "Redeemed"...."justification" based on being "IN HIM">

In other words, being "In Him". 'In Christ" is how we are Chosen.

How do you do that?

You are born again. and that happens when you give God your faith in Christ and then God gives you the "new Birth" in the Spirit.
Your Faith is given to God, and God puts you "in Christ".......as Chosen.

= Your Faith elects you to be Chosen....then God saves you.

And God knew you would before you were born.= "Foreknowledge" of the "Chosen".

Calvin teaches this as "God chooses you to believe"......but the verse means that God foreknew who would be Chosen, because He knows in advance (Foreknowledge) = ALL who was going to believe and become "in Him" = 'In Christ"

So, once again, this is not God causing....>its God KNOWING in advance. = Foreknowledge. = " God'srevelation knowledge of it, BEFORE it happens".

 

[Selah]

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

- 1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

- Ephesians 1:3-6 (KJV)
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In 1 Peter 1:1-2, Peter is addressing God’s Elect, His chosen. We see that some, called Elect, were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God. So then, one can deduce that Peter is saying that there was a time a long, long time ago when God chose those He knew. But what is it He knew about them? ….that they were trustworthy? ….that they were faithful? In Jeremiah 1:5, it’s certain that God knew Jeremiah and ordained him a prophet. So did Jeremiah exercise his free will then and choose to love God?

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

- Jeremiah 1:5-7 (KJV)

 

[Stumpmaster]

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

- 1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

- Ephesians 1:3-6 (KJV)
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In 1 Peter 1:1-2, Peter is addressing God’s Elect, His chosen. We see that some, called Elect, were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God. So then, one can deduce that Peter is saying that there was a time a long, long time ago when God chose those He knew. But what is it He knew about them? ….that they were trustworthy? ….that they were faithful? In Jeremiah 1:5, it’s certain that God knew Jeremiah and ordained him a prophet. So did Jeremiah exercise his free will then and choose to love God? View attachment 32806

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

- Jeremiah 1:5-7 (KJV)

The dimension of DIVINE FOREKNOWLEDGE is featured throughout the Bible, particularly in the writings of the Prophets. Obviously the things prophesied hadn't yet happened in real time but their eventualities were known before hand, these being the result of the Will of God intersecting with the wills of His creations.

 

[Christophany]

In full Calvinism every single thing that happens, and every single thought anyone has is decreed by God, making every sin ever committed and every evil act ever committed, caused by Gods decrees.

This makes god the author of sin, lies, and evil, and the only real sinner in the universe.

That is a vile insult of Gods very character and nature.

And calvinism teaches double predestination. Not only are the elect saved from eternity past but the non elect condemned from eternity past without ever having a chance or a choice to believe the gospel. So in calvinism the reality is the gospel is only for the elect whom God regenerates first so they can believe and respond to the gospel. The non elect God does not regenerate so they can believe the gospel.

Its really a very unloving god who could of saved all sinners but chose to only save some by predestination.