Problems in life and the problem of evil

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Saint of Light

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Life is not intended to be a cakewalk. We are all born into a sinful world that is afflicted by so many problems: Poverty, corruption, sickness, unfairness, violence, war, crime, etc. Indeed, the issues that face humanity are so numerous that it would take two or three pages to list every single one of them.

Some of us were born exceedingly lucky because we won the genetic lottery, which is another way of saying we were fortunate enough to be born in a prosperous country such as United States, Canada, Britain, or any of the other first-world nations. We don’t struggle like they do in third-world countries where hunger is rife and people make it on less than $2 a day. In fact, many of these impoverished people don’t even have showers or toilets and have to do nature’s call out in the open.

Yet even as Americans or other first-world nationalities, we still have our problems. Maybe you struggle with poverty (relative to our country’s standards) or unemployment, or maybe you deal with other problems not related to economics.

Many unbelievers think that the world’s problems constitute “evidence” against Christianity and belief in God in general. They figure that an all-powerful, all-loving god would not allow so many problems to transpire in the first place. But this is such a silly indictment against faith: The unbelievers reason that a global problem such as the existence of violence, whether it is widespread war or just one instance of murder, means that God cannot exist, since they think it is incompatible with the nature of God for violence to exist.

But the death of Jesus on the Cross, which was indeed very painful and violent, debunks the unbelievers’ silly indictment against faith. Jesus was martyred and suffered prodigiously, but from it came the salvation of all believers. “The problem of evil,” as it is called, does not entail the absence of existence of God. If it did, why would God have allowed Jesus to die so painfully for the salvation of all believers? Pain and suffering exist in our world because we are born into a world of sin. Yet the whole time God is there, watching over us and helping his believers find love, hope, peace, joy, and salvation in a world full of problems.
 

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Hello @Saint of Light, yes, many unbelievers do consider that, if there is a God, He must surely be a Cosmic Sugar-Daddy of some sort :oops: Of course, all of us want all of the blessings that He has to offer, the problem is, few seem to want Him (as their Savior and Lord) as well!

You are also correct in saying that "the problem of evil does not entail the absence of the existence of God". What it does entail is the presence of free will, which is something the unsaved clearly want (on the one hand), but seem to want God to bring to an end on the other :IDK: (in their hopes that He might bring about their idea of a perfect utopia here on Earth by forcing it upon us).

Pain and suffering help to drive us to Him as unbelievers, and back to Him as well (in the case of those of us who already are believers), so that which we have to suffer through in this life could/should actually be considered a good thing (from the right POV, that is :Thumbsup:) .. e.g. Romans 8:28; Hebrews 12:7-11.

God bless you!!

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Isn't it strange, I've never heard of any of these problems and my best guess is I don't think anyone else has either. I think the best move is to give ourselves an enlightened moniker and tell everyone about the problems they don't know about. Whadaya say?
 

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Life is not intended to be a cakewalk. We are all born into a sinful world that is afflicted by so many problems: Poverty, corruption, sickness, unfairness, violence, war, crime, etc. Indeed, the issues that face humanity are so numerous that it would take two or three pages to list every single one of them.

Some of us were born exceedingly lucky because we won the genetic lottery, which is another way of saying we were fortunate enough to be born in a prosperous country such as United States, Canada, Britain, or any of the other first-world nations. We don’t struggle like they do in third-world countries where hunger is rife and people make it on less than $2 a day. In fact, many of these impoverished people don’t even have showers or toilets and have to do nature’s call out in the open.

Yet even as Americans or other first-world nationalities, we still have our problems. Maybe you struggle with poverty (relative to our country’s standards) or unemployment, or maybe you deal with other problems not related to economics.

Many unbelievers think that the world’s problems constitute “evidence” against Christianity and belief in God in general. They figure that an all-powerful, all-loving god would not allow so many problems to transpire in the first place. But this is such a silly indictment against faith: The unbelievers reason that a global problem such as the existence of violence, whether it is widespread war or just one instance of murder, means that God cannot exist, since they think it is incompatible with the nature of God for violence to exist.

But the death of Jesus on the Cross, which was indeed very painful and violent, debunks the unbelievers’ silly indictment against faith. Jesus was martyred and suffered prodigiously, but from it came the salvation of all believers. “The problem of evil,” as it is called, does not entail the absence of existence of God. If it did, why would God have allowed Jesus to die so painfully for the salvation of all believers? Pain and suffering exist in our world because we are born into a world of sin. Yet the whole time God is there, watching over us and helping his believers find love, hope, peace, joy, and salvation in a world full of problems.
The thing is that the $2.00 a day is not true, that's $2.00 US ? why people peddle that is a deception.

The Nations that are 3rd world are that because they are idiots in fact and the people who live in the 1st world who are at the bottom are idiots in fact in general ? they will never come out of the hole that they have dug for themselves and it's the same for trash in the USA ?
Look a the problems in the USA, they brought such on themselves and they reap what they Sow in fact ? They are undermining the USA in fact ! because of their stupid attitudes that is coming from fools in fact ! not to mention the same grub mentality is with people at the top of society in fact, now why is that one may ask ? well they live in a delusional state of being.

Here is the antidote too such stupidity, and it's Christ Jesus and if we all abide in him we will move on wards and up ! If we reject the reality we will reap what we Sow ? why because such are Lost in fact. they have no true guidance or true understanding.

If one is to look for value ? you have to find that in one ? if they do not have value in themselves then they do't have value for anything truly at all in fact, so a thief is a thief regardless be from the low to the top of society. they intend to do wrong by all around them in fact, for they are lost ! they do not understand that to give is to receive ? this giving is not worldly charity but Christian Charity in fact, it's what you do 24/7 it comes from God. If one does not have Christian Charity you are sold just as you sell everyone out, why because you are lost and of this world that is full of delusions and deceptions in fact as Jesus pointed out, you need the Kingdom of God ! That's the only way up wards out of the Hell hole of deceptions and delusions of this world.

The first world is being duped and run into the ground, just like the Jews swallowed the dribble of the ones who came in unawares and destroyed them in fact.
The history of the Jews tells a story of reality of a people who failed every time because, they were lead astray by some pack of morons who dominated over them.
They who drink freely however came to Christ Jesus.
The Devil is in the detail of the Jews who were lead astray by cunning people of this world, for they do not have God within them. the same thing with any Nation etc.
If one does not understand the intent that such who are lost is coming from, they you are Lost as well ?
It has nothing to do with so called Jews but with Man in fact, because it's the same issue ! As who was it that deceived you ?

It's not all about winning in a sporting match but who has played the sport well that truly counts. It's not all about Me or your ilk but us as a whole in fact. they who cheat only have their own reward.
 

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The thing is that the $2.00 a day is not true, that's $2.00 US ? why people peddle that is a deception.

The Nations that are 3rd world are that because they are idiots in fact and the people who live in the 1st world who are at the bottom are idiots in fact in general ? they will never come out of the hole that they have dug for themselves and it's the same for trash in the USA ?
Look a the problems in the USA, they brought such on themselves and they reap what they Sow in fact ? They are undermining the USA in fact ! because of their stupid attitudes that is coming from fools in fact ! not to mention the same grub mentality is with people at the top of society in fact, now why is that one may ask ? well they live in a delusional state of being.

Here is the antidote too such stupidity, and it's Christ Jesus and if we all abide in him we will move on wards and up ! If we reject the reality we will reap what we Sow ? why because such are Lost in fact. they have no true guidance or true understanding.

If one is to look for value ? you have to find that in one ? if they do not have value in themselves then they do't have value for anything truly at all in fact, so a thief is a thief regardless be from the low to the top of society. they intend to do wrong by all around them in fact, for they are lost ! they do not understand that to give is to receive ? this giving is not worldly charity but Christian Charity in fact, it's what you do 24/7 it comes from God. If one does not have Christian Charity you are sold just as you sell everyone out, why because you are lost and of this world that is full of delusions and deceptions in fact as Jesus pointed out, you need the Kingdom of God ! That's the only way up wards out of the Hell hole of deceptions and delusions of this world.

The first world is being duped and run into the ground, just like the Jews swallowed the dribble of the ones who came in unawares and destroyed them in fact.
The history of the Jews tells a story of reality of a people who failed every time because, they were lead astray by some pack of morons who dominated over them.
They who drink freely however came to Christ Jesus.
The Devil is in the detail of the Jews who were lead astray by cunning people of this world, for they do not have God within them. the same thing with any Nation etc.
If one does not understand the intent that such who are lost is coming from, they you are Lost as well ?
It has nothing to do with so called Jews but with Man in fact, because it's the same issue ! As who was it that deceived you ?

It's not all about winning in a sporting match but who has played the sport well that truly counts. It's not all about Me or your ilk but us as a whole in fact. they who cheat only have their own reward.
do you ever have something good to say about people? ....those made in the image of God who are so valuable to him he was prepared to and did give his life for theirs? .....or is it that you can only see people as Satan sees them; idiots, fools, trash with a grub mentality, stupid, delusional and morons?
 

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Many unbelievers think that the world’s problems constitute “evidence” against Christianity and belief in God in general.
The problem of evil is a powerful argument, one that is a double edged sword in that while it is a challenge for Christians it is also a challenging problem for the atheist.

What standard of morality is being used to determine ' evil ' ?
If ' evil ' exists then ' good ' also has to exist. What is the standard of 'good' ?

The Christian can answer these questions and give a reasonable explanation for why there is evil and what God has and is doing about evil.
 
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The problem of evil is a powerful argument, one that is a double edged sword in that while it is a challenge for Christians it is also a challenging problem for the atheist.

What standard of morality is being used to determine ' evil ' ?
If ' evil ' exists then ' good ' also has to exist. What is the standard of 'good' ?

The Christian can answer these questions and give a reasonable explanation for why there is evil and what God has and is doing about evil.

Atheists who cite the problem of evil as “evidence” against faith have made a very poor argument, as my original post accurately details. But I’ve heard even worse arguments from atheists who want to indict religion. For example, Richard Dawkins like to dismiss Christians who ask him well-meaning questions that he thinks threaten his godless views. He tells them something like this: “If you were born in Viking Scandinavia, you would be believing in Thor, Odin, and the other Norse gods. If you were born in ancient Greece, you would be believing in Zeus, Poseidon, and the other gods from the Hellenistic pantheon. What is so special about your god?”

Did you know that all the Viking and ancient Greek “gods” do in fact exist? It’s true—but they are actually demons who are impersonating gods. They work for Satan for the express purpose of misleading people to condemnation in the First Circle of Hell. I know this, because I met several of these false gods myself.

Richard Dawkins generally isn’t good at debate. Even if he were, so what? He is going to hell for being a professional spokesperson for sacrilegious hate speech and a prominent writer and advocate for the blasphemy community.
 

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Atheists who cite the problem of evil as “evidence” against faith have made a very poor argument
It is only a poor argument if one can show that the Christian explanation is reasonable and that they have no grounds to base their judgement of what ' good and evil ' is.