Proof that "Roman" Is Legit Use For "Roman Catholic Church"

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Phoneman777

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Protestants who refer to the Catholic church as the "Roman Catholic Church" have been accused of ignorance and lacking research skills for attaching "Roman" to Catholic Church" by Roman Catholic apologists who do not appreciate criticisms of their beloved Roman Catholic church leadership and doctrines and insist that this particular church name is not historically accurate - accusations that are no doubt meant to be a basis for undermining their criticisms. The following is from the August 12, 1950 encyclical Humani Generis authored by priest Pius XII, leader of the Roman Catholic church from 1939 - 1958:

Encyclical
HUMANI GENERIS
OF THE HOLY FATHER
PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN,
PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES,
ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS,
AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES
ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION
WITH THE HOLY SEE
CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS
THREATENING TO UNDERMINE
THE FOUNDATIONS
OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE
"27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine...that the Mystical Body of Christ and the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith."
It is plain to see that in speaking of the "mystical body of Christ", Pius XII's use of "Roman Catholic Church was not limited to a particular "diocese" or "liturgical rite" --- he was clearly referring to the worldwide Catholic Church of Rome. Therefore, anyone who continues to argue that "Roman Catholic church" is a non-existent name for the Roman Catholic church, is actually arguing that Pius XII is guilty of heresy, which is incredible seeing that encyclicals such as this bear the stamp of the Imprimatur which means "ain't no heresy up in here".

Humani Generis (August 12, 1950) | PIUS XII
 
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Oh, here we go again...... PLEASE.......can we leave the Catholic/Protestant discussions out of the forum.
So, sick of the fighting going on.
(Yes, I know, I participated also....)

Let's stop this!

I have been considering leaving because of it....
 

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Protestants who refer to the Catholic church as the "Roman Catholic Church" have been accused of ignorance and lacking research skills for attaching "Roman" to Catholic Church" by Roman Catholic apologists who do not appreciate criticisms of their beloved Roman Catholic church leadership and doctrines and insist that this particular church name is not historically accurate - accusations that are no doubt meant to be a basis for undermining their criticisms. The following is from the August 12, 1950 encyclical Humani Generis authored by priest Pius XII, leader of the Roman Catholic church from 1939 - 1958:

Encyclical
HUMANI GENERIS
OF THE HOLY FATHER
PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN,
PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES,
ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS,
AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES
ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION
WITH THE HOLY SEE
CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS
THREATENING TO UNDERMINE
THE FOUNDATIONS
OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE
"27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine...that the Mystical Body of Christ and the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith."
It is plain to see that in speaking of the "mystical body of Christ", Pius XII's use of "Roman Catholic Church was not limited to a particular "diocese" or "liturgical rite" --- he was clearly referring to the worldwide Catholic Church of Rome. Therefore, anyone who continues to argue that "Roman Catholic church" is a non-existent name for the Roman Catholic church, is actually arguing that Pius XII is guilty of heresy, which is incredible seeing that encyclicals such as this bear the stamp of the Imprimatur which means "ain't no heresy up in here".

Humani Generis (August 12, 1950) | PIUS XII
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Oh, here we go again...... PLEASE.......can we leave the Catholic/Protestant discussions out of the forum.
So, sick of the fighting going on.
(Yes, I know, I participated also....)

Let's stop this!

I have been considering leaving because of it....
 

epostle1

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Protestants who refer to the Catholic church as the "Roman Catholic Church" have been accused of ignorance and lacking research skills for attaching "Roman" to Catholic Church" by Roman Catholic apologists who do not appreciate criticisms of their beloved Roman Catholic church leadership and doctrines and insist that this particular church name is not historically accurate - accusations that are no doubt meant to be a basis for undermining their criticisms. The following is from the August 12, 1950 encyclical Humani Generis authored by priest Pius XII, leader of the Roman Catholic church from 1939 - 1958:

Another word for "Roman rite" is Latin right. "27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine...that the Mystical Body of Christ and the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH are one and the same thing..."
Just because some say it doesn't mean it is ACCURATE. Your problem, phony man, is you only read into encyclicals what you want. Catholics don't argue that "Roman Catholic Church" is nonexistent, we argue that "Roman" is not a blanket term for all rites. What some say is an error, it doesn't mean that only Roman rite Catholics are in the Mystical Body of Christ. That is an error and it's being pointed out that it is an error, if you bother to read the following paragraph. You found the phrase "Roman Catholic" in an encyclical, and went nuts. Why can't you use "CC"?? It's more accurate and easier to type.
Humani Generis (August 12, 1950) | PIUS XII
There are churches with signs on the front lawn that say "Roman Catholic Church" So what. Roman or Lain rite is the largest rite, one of 23. We can use the term any way we please, we are not subject to nit picking Pharisaical details the way you are.

WHAT IS A RITE?

A Rite represents an ecclesiastical, or church, tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments has at its core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence – of matter, form and intention – derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament. It cannot be changed by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments (2 Thes. 2:15).

When the apostles brought the Gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential elements of religious practice were inculturated into those cultures. This means that the essential elements were clothed in the symbols and trappings of the particular people, so that the rituals conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. In this way the Church becomes all things to all men that some might be saved (1 Cor. 9:22).

There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Rite from the Antiochian, under the influence of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.

• Roman – The overwhelming majority of Latin Catholics and of Catholics in general.
Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. Mass celebrated in accordance with the Missale Romanum of 1970, promulgated by Pope Paul VI, currently in its third edition (2002).
Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. Mass celebrated in accordance with the Missale Romanum of 1962, promulgated by Blessed Pope John XXIII. The other sacraments are celebrated according to the Roman Ritual in force at the time of the Second Vatican Council. The Extraordinary Form is most notable for being almost entirely in Latin. In addition to institutes which have the faculty to celebrate the Extraordinary Form routinely, such as the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, any Latin Rite priest may now offer the Mass and other sacraments in accordance with norms of Summorum Pontificum.
Anglican Use. Since the 1980s the Holy See has granted some former Anglican and Episcopal clergy converting with their parishes the faculty of celebrating the sacramental rites according to Anglican forms, doctrinally corrected.
• Mozarabic – The Rite of the Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) known from at least the 6th century, but probably with roots to the original evangelization. Beginning in the 11th century it was generally replaced by the Roman Rite, although it has remained the Rite of the Cathedral of the Archdiocese of Toledo, Spain, and six parishes which sought permission to adhere to it. Its celebration today is generally semi–private.
• Ambrosian – The Rite of the Archdiocese of Milan, Italy, thought to be of early origin and probably consolidated, but not originated, by St. Ambrose. Pope Paul VI was from this Roman Rite. It continues to be celebrated in Milan, though not by all parishes.
• Bragan – Rite of the Archdiocese of Braga, the Primatial See of Portugal, it derives from the 12th century or earlier. It continues to be of occasional use.
• Dominican – Rite of the Order of Friars Preacher (OP), founded by St. Dominic in 1215.
• Carmelite – Rite of the Order of Carmel, whose modern foundation was by St. Berthold c.1154.
• Carthusian – Rite of the Carthusian Order founded by St. Bruno in 1084.
 
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Eastern Rites and Churches
The Eastern Catholic Churches have their own hierarchy, system of governance (synods) and general law, the Code of Canons for the Eastern Churches. The Supreme Pontiff exercises his primacy over them through the Congregation for the Eastern Churches.

ANTIOCHIAN FAMILY OF LITURGICAL RITES
The Church of Antioch in Syria (the ancient Roman Province of Syria) is considered an apostolic See by virtue of having been founded by St. Peter. It was one of the ancient centers of the Church, as the New Testament attests, and is the source of a family of similar Rites using the ancient Syriac language (the Semitic dialect used in Jesus' time and better known as Aramaic). Its Liturgy is attributed to St. James and the Church of Jerusalem.

1. WEST SYRIAC
Maronite – Never separated from Rome. Maronite Patriarch of Antioch. The liturgical language is Aramaic. The 3 million Maronites are found in Lebanon (origin), Cyprus, Egypt, Syria, Israel, Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and Australia.
Syriac – Syriac Catholics who returned to Rome in 1781 from the monophysite heresy. Syriac Patriarch of Antioch. The 110,000 Syriac Catholics are found in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Canada and the US.
Malankarese – Catholics from the South of India evangelized by St. Thomas, uses the West Syriac liturgy. Reunited with Rome in 1930. Liturgical languages today are West Syriac and Malayalam. The 350,000 Malankarese Catholics are found in India and North America.

2. EAST SYRIAC
Chaldean – Babylonian Catholics returned to Rome in 1692 from the Nestorian heresy. Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans. Liturgical languages are Syriac and Arabic. The 310,000 Chaldean Catholics are found in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey and the US.
Syro–Malabarese – Catholics from Southern India using the East Syriac liturgy. Returned to Rome in the 16th century from the Nestorian heresy. Liturgical languages are Syriac and Malayalam. Over 3 million Syro–Malabarese Catholics can be found in the state of Kerela, in SW India.

BYZANTINE FAMILY OF LITURGICAL RITES
The Church of Constantinople became the political and religious center of the eastern Roman Empire after the Emperor Constantine built a new capital there (324–330) on the site of the ancient town of Byzantium. Constantinople developed its own liturgical rite from the Liturgy of St. James, in one form as modified by St. Basil, and in a more commonly used form, as modified by St. John Chrysostom. After 1054, except for brief periods of reunion, most Byzantine Christians have not been in communion with Rome. They make up the Orthodox Churches of the East, whose titular head is the Patriarch of Constantinople. The Orthodox Churches are mostly auto–cephalous, meaning self–headed, united to each other by communion with Constantinople, which exercises no real authority over them. They are typically divided into Churches along nation lines. Those that have returned to communion with the Holy See are represented among the Eastern Churches and Rites of the Catholic Church.

1. ARMENIAN
Considered either its own Rite or an older version of the Byzantine. Its exact form is not used by any other Byzantine Rite. It is composed of Catholics from the first people to convert as a nation, the Armenians (N.E. of Turkey), and who returned to Rome at the time of the Crusades. Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenians. The liturgical language is classical Armenian. The 350,000 Armenian Catholics are found in Armenia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Ukraine, France, Romania, United States and Argentina. Most Armenians are Orthodox, not in union with Rome.

2. BYZANTINE
Albanian – Albanian Christians, numbering only 1400 today, who resumed communion with Rome in 1628. Liturgical language is Albanian. Most Albanian Christians are Albanian Orthodox.
Belarussian/Byelorussian – Unknown number of Belarussians who returned to Rome in the 17th century. The liturgical language is Old Slavonic. The faithful can be found in Belarus, as well as Europe, the Americas and Australia.
Bulgarian – Bulgarians who returned to Rome in 1861. Liturgical language is Old Slavonic. The 20,000 faithful can be found in Bulgaria. Most Bulgarian Christians are Bulgarian Orthodox.
Czech – Czech Catholics of Byzantine Rite organized into a jurisdiction in 1996.
Krizevci – Croatian Catholics of Byzantine Rite who resumed communion with Rome in 1611. The liturgical language is Old Slavonic. The 50,000 faithful can be found in Croatia and the Americas. Most Croatians are Roman (Rite) Catholics.
Greek – Greek Christians who returned to Rome in 1829. The liturgical language is Greek. Only 2500 faithful in Greece, Asia Minor (Turkey) and Europe. Greek Christians are almost all Orthodox, whose Patriarch is the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople.
Hungarian – Descendants of Ruthenians who returned to Rome in 1646. The liturgical languages are Greek, Hungarian and English. The 300,000 faithful are found in Hungary, Europe and the Americas.
• Italo–Albanian – Never separated from Rome, these 60,000 Byzantine Rite Catholics are found in Italy, Sicily and the Americas. The liturgical languages are Greek and Italo–Albanian.
Melkite – Catholics from among those separated from Rome in Syria and Egypt who resumed Communion with Rome at the time of the Crusades. However, definitive union only came in the 18th century. Melkite Greek Patriarch of Damascus. Liturgical languages are Greek, Arabic, English, Portuguese and Spanish. The over 1 million Melkite Catholics can be found in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina and Australia.
Romanian – Romanians who returned to Rome in 1697. The liturgical language is Romanian. There are over 1 million Romanian Catholics in Romania, Europe and the Americas. Most Romanian Christians are Romanian Orthodox.
Russian – Russians who returned to communion with Rome in 1905. The liturgical language is Old Slavonic. An unknown number of the faithful in Russia, China, the Americas and Australia. Most Russian Christians are Russian Orthodox, whose Patriarch is the Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow.
Ruthenian – Catholics from among those separated from Rome in Russia, Hungary and Croatia who reunited with Rome in 1596 (Brest–Litovsk) and 1646 (Uzhorod).
Slovak – Byzantine Rite Catholics of Slovakian origin numbering 225,000 and found in Slovakia and Canada.
Ukrainian – Catholics from among those separated from Rome by the Greek Schism and reunited about 1595. Patriarch or Metropolitan of Lviv. Liturgical languages are Old Slavonic and the vernacular. The 5.5 million Ukrainian Catholics can be found in Ukraine, Poland, England, Germany, France, Canada, US, Brazil, Argentina and Australia. During the Soviet era Ukrainian Catholics were violently forced to join the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Their hierarchy, which continued to exist outside the homeland, has since been re–established in Ukraine.

ALEXANDRIAN FAMILY OF LITURGICAL RITES

The Church of Alexandria in Egypt was one of the original centers of Christianity, since like Rome and Antioch it had a large Jewish population which was the initial object of apostolic evangelization. Its Liturgy is attributed to St. Mark the Evangelist, and shows the later influence of the Byzantine Liturgy, in addition to its unique elements.

Coptic – Egyptian Catholics who returned to communion with Rome in 1741. The Patriarch of Alexandria leads the 200,000 faithful of this ritual Church spread throughout Egypt and the Near East. The liturgical languages are Coptic (Egyptian) and Arabic. Most Copts are not Catholics.

Ethiopian/Abyssinian – Ethiopian Coptic Christians who returned to Rome in 1846. The liturgical language is Geez. The 200,000 faithful are found in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Jerusalem.

I am Catholic, period. I never refer myself as "Roman" Catholic. If someone calls me a Roman Catholic, so what. I don't give them a 30 minute lecture on rites.

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Oh, here we go again...... PLEASE.......can we leave the Catholic/Protestant discussions out of the forum.
So, sick of the fighting going on.
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Let's stop this!

I have been considering leaving because of it....
If we BOTH submit a report, the thread will get locked.
 
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