Rapture 2022: Caught Up into Paradise

[Rapture and End Times]

Paradise is the third heaven. This place is the home of God, and the place that all Christians will soon be taken to. Are we close to that time for the Bride to be caught up into paradise? Just check out some recent news items.

Rapture 2022: Caught Up into Paradise

 

[Davy]

Paradise is the third heaven. This place is the home of God, and the place that all Christians will soon be taken to. Are we close to that time for the Bride to be caught up into paradise? Just check out some recent news items.

Rapture 2022: Caught Up into Paradise

The "third heaven" Apostle Paul saw is about the future third WORLD AGE, not... an actual 3rd level in Heaven.

What did Apostle Peter call that "third heaven" per 2 Peter 3?

Peter called it the "new heavens and a new earth". In that chapter Peter covered THREE WORLD AGES.

1. "the world that then was" - 2 Peter 3:6
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now" - 2 Peter 3:7
3. "new heavens and a new earth" - 2 Peter 3:13

 

[Timtofly]

The "third heaven" Apostle Paul saw is about the future third WORLD AGE, not... an actual 3rd level in Heaven.

What did Apostle Peter call that "third heaven" per 2 Peter 3?

Peter called it the "new heavens and a new earth". In that chapter Peter covered THREE WORLD AGES.

1. "the world that then was" - 2 Peter 3:6
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now" - 2 Peter 3:7
3. "new heavens and a new earth" - 2 Peter 3:13

Paul called it Paradise. It is that heavenly city in Hebrews 11.

"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Paul already explained the third heaven.

Right now it is Paradise. After the 1,000 year reign in the NHNE, it is called New Jerusalem. We already know what is what. Paradise was where those in Abraham's bosom were taken to in 30AD. It is a location, and has been available since the Cross, for all the redeemed who have left earth.

 

[Davy]

Paul called it Paradise. It is that heavenly city in Hebrews 11.

"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Paul already explained the third heaven.

Right now it is Paradise. After the 1,000 year reign in the NHNE, it is called New Jerusalem. We already know what is what. Paradise was where those in Abraham's bosom were taken to in 30AD. It is a location, and has been available since the Cross, for all the redeemed who have left earth.

Where... did Paul explain what the "third heaven" is? He only mentioned that is WHERE he was 'caught up' to, while also showing it was about the Heavenly Paradise.

You wrongly ADDED that idea that Paul explained what the "third heaven" is. And those who say it means an actual 3rd LEVEL structure in Heaven ADD to the Scripture also.

But what I showed from Apostle Peter's teaching in 2 Peter 3 about the three world ages, is FROM actual Bible Scripture.

 

[Timtofly]

Where... did Paul explain what the "third heaven" is? He only mentioned that is WHERE he was 'caught up' to, while also showing it was about the Heavenly Paradise.

You wrongly ADDED that idea that Paul explained what the "third heaven" is. And those who say it means an actual 3rd LEVEL structure in Heaven ADD to the Scripture also.

But what I showed from Apostle Peter's teaching in 2 Peter 3 about the three world ages, is FROM actual Bible Scripture.

Read the verses again. Paul does state that the third heaven is Paradise. He repeated the phrase twice.

 

[Davy]

Read the verses again. Paul does state that the third heaven is Paradise. He repeated the phrase twice.

For the 2nd time, that the 3rd Heaven is about God's Paradise is NOT... the point.

The point is, WHERE DOES SCRIPTURE SAY the "third heaven" means 3 LEVELS IN HEAVEN???

 

[Timtofly]

For the 2nd time, that the 3rd Heaven is about God's Paradise is NOT... the point.

The point is, WHERE DOES SCRIPTURE SAY the "third heaven" means 3 LEVELS IN HEAVEN???

I never said 3 levels.

Is the atmosphere physical?

Is the firmament physical?

Are the waters above the firmament physical just like the waters below the firmament?

There is only 1 level. The firmament is the only level. In that firmament we see the stars/angels. In the firmament we see our atmosphere. Sometime, probably at the Flood, Paradise was seen in the firmament. Now we have 3 "heavens" described in the firmament of one level.

Yet how do we reconcile Genesis 1:1?

Haares and hassamayin - earth and heaven or earth and heavens?

All we can really see is the firmament above us. Yet in that firmament there is listed 3 phenomenon that we have a limited view of. There are no levels in the firmament. There is only a lack of depth perception.

Case in point, the GWT has it's pedestal or base on the earth. And reaches to some perceived height, yet we cannot currently see any of it. It is still physically there. It is not going to suddenly physically exist. We are just going to be able to finally see it at the Second Coming. The same with Paradise, we "cannot see it", based on the assumption it is "too far away" a really high "third level". We cannot see Paradise simply based on the fact we are spiritually blind. All we can see are the stars, and sometimes human built stuff in the atmosphere.

We can probably see the water above the firmament and not even register it as the water above the firmament. Now days what we think "we see" is the virtual 14 billion year universe Satan has successfully planted in our minds.

 

[Davy]

I never said 3 levels.

Is the atmosphere physical?

Is the firmament physical?

Are the waters above the firmament physical just like the waters below the firmament?

There is only 1 level. The firmament is the only level. In that firmament we see the stars/angels. In the firmament we see our atmosphere. Sometime, probably at the Flood, Paradise was seen in the firmament. Now we have 3 "heavens" described in the firmament of one level.

Yet how do we reconcile Genesis 1:1?

Haares and hassamayin - earth and heaven or earth and heavens?

All we can really see is the firmament above us. Yet in that firmament there is listed 3 phenomenon that we have a limited view of. There are no levels in the firmament. There is only a lack of depth perception.

Case in point, the GWT has it's pedestal or base on the earth. And reaches to some perceived height, yet we cannot currently see any of it. It is still physically there. It is not going to suddenly physically exist. We are just going to be able to finally see it at the Second Coming. The same with Paradise, we "cannot see it", based on the assumption it is "too far away" a really high "third level". We cannot see Paradise simply based on the fact we are spiritually blind. All we can see are the stars, and sometimes human built stuff in the atmosphere.

We can probably see the water above the firmament and not even register it as the water above the firmament. Now days what we think "we see" is the virtual 14 billion year universe Satan has successfully planted in our minds.

No, the "firmament" of Genesis 1 is NOT the Heaven of Spirit where God dwells. God is not like some pagan idea of Zeus living up in the clouds of the sky around the earth. Nor is He dwelling on a far away planet in some distant space of the universe. God is not made up of material matter, nor the sky, nor the "firmament" of Genesis 1 which is made up of material matter, in a vapor and gas state.

There are 2 different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, this earthly realm, and the Heavenly realm of Spirit where He and the angels dwell, where even haides is. The sky is called 'heaven' also, but it is of this earthly realm and is made up of material matter. The Genesis 1:1 tells us that God created 2 heavens (per the Hebrew Massorah).

The thinking of a fleshy Heaven as His Abode, like the sky around the earth, is from old Jewish traditions because they don't understand about Spirit and that other dimension.

 

[Timtofly]

No, the "firmament" of Genesis 1 is NOT the Heaven of Spirit where God dwells. God is not like some pagan idea of Zeus living up in the clouds of the sky around the earth. Nor is He dwelling on a far away planet in some distant space of the universe. God is not made up of material matter, nor the sky, nor the "firmament" of Genesis 1 which is made up of material matter, in a vapor and gas state.

There are 2 different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, this earthly realm, and the Heavenly realm of Spirit where He and the angels dwell, where even haides is. The sky is called 'heaven' also, but it is of this earthly realm and is made up of material matter. The Genesis 1:1 tells us that God created 2 heavens (per the Hebrew Massorah).

The thinking of a fleshy Heaven as His Abode, like the sky around the earth, is from old Jewish traditions because they don't understand about Spirit and that other dimension.

Did I say God dwells any where? Not sure you have a point here..

What we see is only about creation itself. The angels do not exist in some alternate dimension or reality. Now who is incorporating human understanding into God's Word? Angels are not outside of creation or in another dimension.

If you cannot see creation as being both physical and spiritual at the same time without all the mumbo and jumbo of human science/knowledge, then you have left the confines of the Bible and jumped into human philosophy yourself.

I never brought up any ancient Greek mythology.

The firmament is the only heaven, and God the Father does not sit on a symbolic GWT. It does exist both physically and spiritually, and we cannot see it either way, because we are spiritually blind. If you do not think the Word has any physical properties other than when the Word actually became flesh, you cannot have a pre-incarnate Jesus. Without Jesus being the Word, there was no physical incarnate being, by the standard interpretation of the pre-incarnate Christ. You are making the claim Jesus was just Spiritual and then became Physical, and then went back to being only Spiritual. No! There is only one creation both spiritual and physical. One earth and one firmament. The firmament is called heaven, and all of creation covers both heaven and earth. No weird dimension of time and space. Not even a solar system, because that is not Biblical.

So if you only are getting your facts from God's Word, you may have to give up some wordly knowledge that contradicts God's Word.

 

[Davy]

Did I say God dwells any where? Not sure you have a point here..

What we see is only about creation itself. The angels do not exist in some alternate dimension or reality. Now who is incorporating human understanding into God's Word? Angels are not outside of creation or in another dimension.

If you cannot see creation as being both physical and spiritual at the same time without all the mumbo and jumbo of human science/knowledge, then you have left the confines of the Bible and jumped into human philosophy yourself.

I never brought up any ancient Greek mythology.

The firmament is the only heaven, and God the Father does not sit on a symbolic GWT. It does exist both physically and spiritually, and we cannot see it either way, because we are spiritually blind. If you do not think the Word has any physical properties other than when the Word actually became flesh, you cannot have a pre-incarnate Jesus. Without Jesus being the Word, there was no physical incarnate being, by the standard interpretation of the pre-incarnate Christ. You are making the claim Jesus was just Spiritual and then became Physical, and then went back to being only Spiritual. No! There is only one creation both spiritual and physical. One earth and one firmament. The firmament is called heaven, and all of creation covers both heaven and earth. No weird dimension of time and space. Not even a solar system, because that is not Biblical.

So if you only are getting your facts from God's Word, you may have to give up some wordly knowledge that contradicts God's Word.

Same thing, you HAVE GONE OFF ON A CRAZY TANGENT MEANINGLESS RANT!
(That's what happens brethren with those on false doctrines that leave the written Word of God.)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paradise is the third heaven. This place is the home of God, and the place that all Christians will soon be taken to. Are we close to that time for the Bride to be caught up into paradise? Just check out some recent news items.

Rapture 2022: Caught Up into Paradise

Might be or might be not! But until the trumpet toots, let us be about the Masters business

 

[Davy]

Might be or might be not! But until the trumpet toots, let us be about the Masters business

Sure, but some don't come here to be about The Master's business, but instead to push Judaism.